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  1. 9 points
    Dear Charles, possibly only one thing saddens me more than the farcical club statements and moral outrage vented on here and that's the fact that your crusade to police this forum and the general conduct of our support goes unchallenged when you're very clearly a dispassionate voyeur rather than an actual supporter who has some emotional investment in the club. Your sneering, self aggrandising tone of moral superiority and intellectual snobbery quite frankly gives me the boke. I have absolutely no interest in debating your jaundiced, prejudicial and classist views on ICT matters on this forum but if I ever actually have the misfortune of bumping into you at an away game (simply never going to happen is it Charles?) then please feel free to correct any misconceptions I've picked up on here over the years.
  2. 6 points
    Just to elaborate on my earlier post. let's have a look at a couple of sections from the club's statement. 1. "The Club is also aware of a group of supporters who operate under the name of the “Ultras”. They are a particularly vocal group of supporters, something that we have no concerns with, providing, going forward, they temper their language, cease setting off smoke bombs and cease causing damage at home and away grounds." It is clear from this that the club is putting bad language in the same bracket as the criminal activities of letting of smoke bombs and causing criminal damage. If folk are being banned for the latter two, the implication is that unless the youngsters "temper their language" they could be banned for that. So what are the club doing about the foul and abusive language from older supporters? And what are they doing about the swearing from players on the park? The 2nd point from this section of the statement is "They are a particularly vocal group of supporters, something that we have no concerns with". What miserable wording! The club should be celebrating the fact that these lads give vocal support. It should be encouraging them to continue to do so. Instead, it comes across that this great vocal support which most of us love to hear is something the club simply tolerates. The 3rd point is that "cease setting off smoke bombs and cease causing damage at home and away grounds." almost implies that all the lads in the group are guilty of letting off smoke bombs and causing damage. They can't "cease" something that they have not been doing. They are all being tarred with the same brush. 2. "Unacceptable conduct is conduct which is deemed violent or disorderly. Violent Conduct includes any actual, attempted or threatened physical violence against any person or intentional damage to property." Well, I think we are all clear what "violent" conduct means but "disorderly" conduct could mean different things to different people. What might be simple youthful exuberance to someone could be considered disorderly behaviour to someone else. There is a need to elaborate on what they mean by "disorderly" and the club has chickened out of doing so. The worry here is that in the event of a complaint, "disorderly" may mean whatever it is convenient to the Board to mean. Of course the club was right to ban those identified engaging in criminal activity. And of course the club was right to issue a statement. Unfortunately the statement is hugely unhelpful in moving forward. It is particularly disappointing that such a naff statement should come so soon after there were promising signs that the Board was wanting to engage constructively with supporters.
  3. 5 points
    Boohoo all the older boys and girls are picking on us. It's totally OTT. They swear too etc..... Suck it up and don't be so dumb as to get caught and you won't get the bother. As to what Old Firm fans think of our club statement, perhaps if their own boards actually did something about their own support instead of trying to shift the blame onto "them as well" then their fans wouldn't continuously drag Scottish football through the gutter on such a regular basis. Our board have acted strongly to both a complaint by Brechin and noise from SFA. They didn't have much choice anyway. Perhaps the tone could have been different. Maybe it was a little condescending and tarnished all with one brush. But they had to, realistically, say something.
  4. 4 points
  5. 4 points
    This is a somewhat watershed moment for some fans I think. Those in trouble who accept that some of their behaviour was out of order will, either on their own or as a group, will return. If they don't come then they were simply there to cause trouble and won't be missed.
  6. 4 points
    As far I'm aware, the rustling of sweetie papers is not yet a criminal offence. Damaging property belonging to others is.
  7. 3 points
    Perfectly put...why some people feel the need to defend the actions of people who are dragging the good name of our club through the mud - nothing to do with a non-existent bias against young fans. We need our young fans - we don't need wee neds who cause trouble. I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment of the club statement (maybe it could have been worded a bit better, mind you), they had little choice in the matter.
  8. 3 points
    I really don't give a s*%t if old firm fans are laughing at us - that's their problem. We aren't the old firm & I'm sick & tired of apologists for the behaviour (although I can see how the reference to language in the statement left the club open to ridicule..) - it isn't acceptable to throw smoke bombs/flares, vandalise a bus or any of the other things they've done. All this is putting me off going to away games, as other clubs will tar us all with the same brush...by taking the action, the club has sent a message that they take it seriously & that we are not all foul mouthed wee neds who cause trouble.. If you think it's acceptable to do that, go & support one of the ugly sisters.. The language thing - my feeling is that it's more about sustained & personal abuse aimed at particular persons, rather than general swearing (every ground in Scotland would be empty if it was!) - I can remember having a go (as did several other people) at the wee neds who were chanting 'dirty gypsy bas#@rds' at the Astra Girgiu home game - that was bona fide rascist chanting & could have landed the club with a UEFA fine. My point is that I don't think they even realise what they're doing sometimes - maybe the banning will make some others realise that they need to behave better (without losing the enthusiasm & passion)
  9. 3 points
    If you think about it you have probably magnified this more than anyone
  10. 3 points
    Absolute nonsense. I have seen people in the main stand spoken to by stewards and police (admittedly for some pretty excessive language) but much harder to crack down on an individual than a group of fans. As far as I can see, no prejudice against young fans per se by the club, if these morons had not acted in the way they did at Brechin, the club would not need to issue a statement at all. As some other posters have said, this has been coming as the behaviour of some of our younger fans after some home games last season was pretty bad. Whether these are the same fans who were at Brechin or the Ultras, I have no idea. Don't some of those fans such as Moray Jaggie think that the behaviour of these fans may also be keeping some fans from attending games because of their behaviour. Sadly it seems these days that many people think they have a right to do anything they want but are not willing to accept any responsibility for their actions.
  11. 3 points
  12. 2 points
  13. 2 points
    So long as there's several thousand other Proclaimers fans in the room, that sounds like a great gig!
  14. 2 points
    Thanks to Hastie & Dyce, one of our generous sponsors, hot pies will be available for sale on bus tomorrow morning.
  15. 2 points
    It's a green dot from me PF. I don't know why others are taking issue with this post. This is a perfectly reasonable point to make and earlier in this discussion I also made the point that one can't be too hard on the youngsters when they get set such a bad example from the foul language of people very much older than they are. The club can't have it both ways. It can't tell the youngsters that unless they moderate their language they will be banned, and then completely ignore the foul mouthed abuse that some of our older supporters dish out. Whilst I certainly support the banning of those letting off smoke bombs and causing criminal damage, I don't think the statement is very clever in it's general tone. There really needs to be more words of encouragement to what I am sure is the vast majority of youngsters who go to games to support the team and have a bit of fun and who, from time to time, may overstep the boundaries when egged on by the small minority who want to cause trouble for some reason. It reads like a statement written by someone who has never done anything naughtier than running through a field of wheat. These lads need to be told their vocal support is greatly valued by the club but for the sake of the club and for their own sakes, that enthusiastic vocal support must be kept within the boundaries of the law. To me, the statement read as though those youngsters who have not been banned will be tolerated and a close eye will be kept on them. Hopefully the youngsters will have enough sense to appreciate that they come along to support the team and not the Board.
  16. 1 point
    As it says on the tin. PDF Poster for anyone who wants to download and print/send to friends/family etc to help spread the word : 2017_funday_poster.pdf
  17. 1 point
    England fast bowler James Anderson bowled Kraigg Brathwaite to reach 500 Test match wickets, only the sixth bowler in history to reach that mark. Anderson took 129 matches to break 500 and those wickets came at just over 27 runs apiece and became the first Englishman to break 500.
  18. 1 point
  19. 1 point
    That would be just great Charles the Proclaimers are great With CB as the teacher
  20. 1 point
    Should be locked in a classroom and made to write a 5,000 word review of 'Up Stephen's Brae' IMHO.
  21. 1 point
    I would settle for locking them in a room for two hours with a continuous tape loop of Proclaimers records
  22. 1 point
    Is there a match on tomorrow? Who would have thought
  23. 1 point
    I think this has just about been done to death with all views fully aired. We have an important match tomorrow. Maybe time to unite, whatever our differences of opinion, and concentrate on the football.
  24. 1 point
    I have never agreed with a post more. Why this guy even pretends to have some sort of liking for the club I will never know. Away over the bridge Charlie boy.
  25. 1 point
    I don't think my posts in this thread are what have caused the coverage in regional and national print and digital media, to be honest.
  26. 1 point
    No. It's a bad sign. The faffing about at the back in the Hughes era was tactical faffing about. It was part of his master plan to keep possession regardless of which direction the ball travelled in. The current faffing about is because defenders are making mistakes.
  27. 1 point
    And what point is it that DD and PF have misunderstood? The statement clearly sets out three issues the club have with the "Ultras" and their language is one of those issues. It is perfectly valid to surmise that, based on this, the club will be taking a similar hard line approach with supporters of all ages, both in the home and away end, on this matter. Indeed the next sentence appears to confirm this.
  28. 1 point
    Apologies if I'm being thick, but the Board makes a number of points. Just which point are we supposed to have misunderstood?
  29. 1 point
    If three separate people set off smoke bombs they deserve their bans. Would have to know the nature of the verbals given before coming to a view as to whether it merited a ban. Ultimately, what the last couple of weeks have boiled down to is the bad PR that would have been generated by the actions of a few being greatly magnified by the tactless response of the club.
  30. 1 point
    Noone - not even stewards go to work to have to put up with verbal abuse but the line has to be drawn at pushing them around - that lassie should maybe have been swapped with another steward but noone has the right to lay a hand on them... And yes I was at the match and yes I saw that first hand..
  31. 1 point
    I think the bans are in response to behaviour not swearing although I conceed statement does not make that clear. I think there were x 3 episodes of smoke bombs? One of the young female stewards was also subjected to verbal abuse. I understand there is cctv evidence of what happened. I dont care if we are being ridiculed really. Im glad the club have taken action against vandalism smoke bombs etc
  32. 1 point
    There is no finer endorsement of what you do, especially in the area of supporter behaviour, than to have it criticised by those with an interest in the Old Firm Confirmation, if any was needed, that what the board have done is the correct course of action against these undesirables. As the Lord High Executioner said: "They will none of them be missed."
  33. 1 point
    There's possibly only one thing that saddens me more than the anti-social behaviour in question and that is the apologists who seem to be queueing up in support of a bunch of troublemakers who have been creating well documented problems for a considerable period of time. My main regret here is that there wasn't a more pre-emptive strike on this months ago. For goodness sake, these wee neds have been a thorn in the flesh of this club for long enough in addition to causing offence under the law of the land and that of the football governing bodies. The law has been broken, other supporters' match day experience has been repeatedly spoiled and, especially during the lengthy period of inaction, Inverness Caledonian Thistle has had a bad reputation for anti-social supporter behaviour forced upon it. This problem needed sorted and now some action has at last been taken. Defending these people on the grounds that they make some kind of virtuous noise is absurd. Football is a sport and not a dustbin for social malaise. Meanwhile the irony of the whingeing we are now reading about club statements is palpable. Complaints about lack of communication and board inactivity have been loud and long. However the response of some to the far more proactive and forthcoming board policy seen of late appears to be to complain about that as well.
  34. 1 point
    The club received an official 'unacceptable conduct' letter from the SFA - doing nothing wasn't an option....we would be berating the board for sticking their heads in the sand if they'd not taken any action. Personally, I don't have a problem with what the club have done, they didn't have much choice in the matter
  35. 1 point
    Yngwie - the cordoned off sections were evident at both matches and had no relationship or proximity to the "incidents". Moray Jaggie is absolutely correct that there were damaged seats all over the stand nowhere near where the incidents took place. I personally had to move seats at both games due to the state of the seating. Like Chris a little bit of me dies every time the club issues a statement these days - needless, knee jerk and utterly depressing. However, these statements pale into insignificance when compared with the absolute state of our hand wringing/bed wetting contingent, falling over themselves to berate the youngsters or anyone who tries to add a bit of context to events that have been blown out of all proportion by the club, media et al . The board's time would be better spent investigating how we've found ourselves post-window with a plethora of defenders who can't defend and strikers who couldn't hit a coo's arse with a banjo.
  36. 1 point
    Quite simple really, the law and match conditions clearly state no pyrotechnics. Any ground in the country. Therefore if people choose to use them at grounds then they should accept the consequences of breaking the conditions (and henceforth the contract accepted on purchase) such as being ejected or banned. It's their call. Don't do the crime if you can't take the time. It's the same as sneaking substances into festivals. Feel free to try but if you get caught it's no one's fault but yours. According to the most recent statement on the official site, damage was caused to the ground for which Brechin have billed our club. If you're doing that, then you're a walloper and good riddance. You're giving the other fans a bad name. You're giving fellow "young team" and "ultras" a bad name. Those that know the difference between fun and vandalism. Atmosphere and loutish. You're not a "lad", you're a goat. As to drums and singing and banners and flags, the more the merrier. The more noise the better. Pyro has never been needed to create atmosphere in grounds in the UK before so, unless you're just crap at the aforementioned, it's not required now. Get behind the team, make all the noise, be creative, come up with songs and drum beats and chants. And icelandic style claps or Highland war cries. But follow the fairly reasonable rules and you'll not get bother. And if stewarts at away grounds ask you to stop, ignoring them or arguing won't work. Wish it would sometimes... And as for Rangers and Celtic fans getting away with murder. It's not about them, it's about us.
  37. 1 point
    Club crest on his training top is different to the one he is holding up .... bit of an an identity crisis going on there. Time to consign this Pride of the Highlands badge nonsense to the dustbin it's just another terrible reminder of a truly terrible season. Should have been shown the door with ex-manager and ex Chairman.
  38. 1 point
    According to transfermarkt the current youth players in the first team squad are: Cameron Mckay - GK - 20 Ryan McRitchie - DF - 18 Liam MacDonald - MF - 17 Kier Smith - MF - 18 Mitchell Foy - FW - 17 Andrew Macrae - FW - 19 We've currently loaning out Stephen Foster - GK (Nairn County) Daniel Hoban - GK (Brora Rangers) Aidan Wilson - MF (Wick Academy) Alasdair Stark - DF (Wick Acacemy) Can't say I know anything about any of these players to say whether they are worth a shot in the team.
  39. 0 points
    Of course it would be stupid to treat swearing the same as letting off flares or committing criminal damage. I'm not suggesting for a moment that the club actually would treat them the same, but the point is that the club statement suggests they would. The statement needs to be judged on what it actually says and not on what you assume they mean.
  40. 0 points
    How is it harder to crack down on an individual than a group. If their language merited speaking to be police or steward they should be ejected. Very simple as their behaviour is criminal in respect of causing offense to others no different from what's been said in the media. But it's ok as it's older fans doing it. Also if they continue that behaviour at other games then they should be banned. No i don't believe that people are staying away because of these lads. They are staying away because of the position the club fonds itself after being literally run into the ground with embarrassingly poor facilities and infrastructure and poor management over the past few years.
  41. 0 points
    The 'few' left the club with no alternative but to react. If there is fault at all, it's the failure to deal with this ongoing issue earlier.
  42. 0 points
    I hope everybody offended by their actions will be reporting everyone heard swearing at all home and away matches going forward. The fact that the club gives bad language as a reason for banning people is a total nonsense.
  43. 0 points
    Who will be running to the shops to buy dozens of packets in the hope of getting the badge ??
  44. -1 points
    Because PumpFake has completely misunderstood, as it appears have you, the point made in the statement.
  45. -1 points
    The club won't be cracking down on the sweetie wrapper brigade it's obvious they are prejudice against the young fans of this club by the wording of the statement. It's in black and white, harks back to the old saying of seen and not heard.
  46. -1 points
    That by referring to tempering language means that using any swearing at all will treated as if you had carried out a deliberate criminal act. Of course there are cases where swearing can be an integral part of a criminal act, but a single utterance would not be the case, which should be abundantly clear without it having to be spelt out, although it seems I just had to. From reading further in the thread it seems like I am in a minority who sees the statement for what it is and that the club is being seen to take action. If others want to complain more vocally about this being dealt with correctly, than it that it happened, then there doesn't seem any point in debating any further. I'll know how I stand.
  47. -1 points
    I think you need to go back and read the post in question again. You've completely misunderstood what DoofersDad is saying.