Melville / Dundee / 25pt Deduction

[ictchris]

Remember that this is aclub where the Supporters Turst owned 25% of the club and had representatives on the board!

Alan Sugar said in an interview the other week that if clubs that go bust don't have a benefactor come in and clear the debts they should, in his words, "go back to Hackney Marshes and start again". The fact that football clubs tend to get bailed out perhaps encourages the ego boost risk taking from guys like Melville.

[CaleyD]

Fan representation at Board level counts for very little under a private business setup as they are bound by the same confidentiality problems as any other Board member of any private business and they can't take any conversation/information in to the public domain without the permission of the majority of the rest of the Board. There's also the fact that many of these fans reps on Club Boards are selected by the Boards and not by the fans.

Clubs allow it because it gives them a bit of positive PR and because the appointed person can then be used to take the heat of the rest of them by becoming the single point of contact, and because when things go t*ts up the situation can be used to undermine Supporters Trusts by saying "They had someone on the Club Board and it made no difference".

It's all just politics.

[AJS]

I wonder if Brian Kerr wishes he gambled and taken the 1 year contract we offered him after we were relegated.

I will be dissapointed if Dundee go out of buisness as it is yet another club going out of buisness due to financial problems. Sure the wrong decisions get made and the club gets burnt but its the fans who imo suffer the most. They lose their club, some lose the club they have supported all their lives, some lose the club they have just started supporting.

If you like football you need a team to support and losing your team would be quite an upsetting situation for many fans.

[Alex MacLeod]

I cant see us taking any of their players, even if they come for free. We have the squad we are budgeted for and to take in anyone else would mean going outwith that budget. Work outwith the budget and end up in the same boat as Dundee.

[ymip]

I hope that Dundee can somehow escape extinction but it certainly looks bleak for them. Scotland can ill afford to lose a proper club with a decent fanbase. Unfortunately, I fear this could be the first of many to disappear off the footballing map of Scotland.

[tm4tj]

Dundee United anyone?

[caley100]

Could be Don, considering Dens is owned by a Dee Utd shareholder/Director, think it was sold 2 years ago to pay debts/raise funds.

[caley100]

Oh aye mannie, forgot to ask since you are now ' senior ' (very apt) will the extra income result in more celebratory drink in the Innes tomorrow?

[Libero]

Chisholm and Dodds both gone

[BornCaley]

Source? Cant find anything official

[Yngwie]

A lot of people were surprised when Ian McCall turned down the Dundee job earlier this year, but he clearly made a wise decision.

[kencar]

Griffiths would be a great signing for us but it's not going to happen. Wonder which of our relegation rivals he'll join?

[WYNESS101]

Source? Cant find anything official

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee/9085810.stm

"Manager Gordon Chisholm and his assistant Billy Dodds have become the first casualties of the administration process at financially-stricken Dundee."

[lukemackay]

the new finish strikers gone

[Libero]

the new finish strikers gone

Kuqi

Heard that McHale, Fox, Paton and Shimmin have also been released/sacked/told to leave/screwed over

[caleymore]

Kuki was only signed on the 2nd of September. The Dundee board have some explaining to do.

[Yngwie]

According to BBC

Mickael Antoine-Curier

Eric Paton

Njazi Kuqi

Paul McHale

Scott Fox

Colin McMenamin

Charlie Grant

Brian Kerr

[davieB]

Shouldn't laugh, but.........Brian Kerr

[Yngwie]

A Dee fan I know was telling me weeks ago that Kerr was behind an anti-Chisholm campaign in the dressing room.

[Joonya]

as a side note, why are Dundee in the SPL section of the BBC sport website, and not the Scottish League section

anyway, it's a shame such a club has not learnt from their mistakes of 7 years ago. I personally can't help but feel for the staff behind the scenes, the fans or even some of the players, whilst having a cheeky wee snigger at those who thought money would buy success.

That side of Dundee FC (i.e. the arrogance and attitude) are what have ultimately brought the club to it's knees.

Just my opinion

[AJS]

I wonder if Butcher will try and bring back Brian Kerr. Not saying i want him. Im quite content with our current midfield but Tel has signed him a couple of times and may want to help him out again.

[Granty24]

Eric Paton might be good to fill in at right back especially, and correct me if I'm wrong, as mccann is off in January and proctor doesn't look up to the spl this time round.

[bdu98196]

Think I'd be right in saying that when this happened with Pompy that they got a dispensation to sell players outwith the transfer window, onder if that will happen with Dundee, although I'm sure that a player like Griffiths would appeal to 'bigger' SPL clubs like Hearts, Hibs & Utd maybe even some english teams, which would probably clear some of the debt in one go. Also sure a few other young players ould be worth some cash, they must have enough assets in terms of playing staff to clear the 350k debts?

[AJS]

Think I'd be right in saying that when this happened with Pompy that they got a dispensation to sell players outwith the transfer window, onder if that will happen with Dundee, although I'm sure that a player like Griffiths would appeal to 'bigger' SPL clubs like Hearts, Hibs & Utd maybe even some english teams, which would probably clear some of the debt in one go. Also sure a few other young players ould be worth some cash, they must have enough assets in terms of playing staff to clear the 350k debts?

The 350k is a tax bill, i think their overall debt is about 2 million.

[Alex MacLeod]

I wonder if Butcher will try and bring back Brian Kerr. Not saying i want him. Im quite content with our current midfield but Tel has signed him a couple of times and may want to help him out again.

I'd be very surprised if Brian would even consider coming back. Contrary to what many would like to think Brian did not leave for money. He was released by ICT as part of the relegation changes.