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Politicians of all hue's are a bland bunch these days with very few (any) having any real commitment or values,easily spun and whipped to agree with any policy that will win a handful of votes.Totally disheartened with the whole political spectrum these days :irritated:

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Politicians of all hue's are a bland bunch these days with very few (any) having any real commitment or values,easily spun and whipped to agree with any policy that will win a handful of votes.Totally disheartened with the whole political spectrum these days :irritated:

I agree Dee. No big hitters around these days at all. Good anecdote from Sorted. I seem to remember a famous clip of some folk at some party gathering scrambling around for the words of something. It might have been that.

I do, however, think that a huge fuss has been made about Miliband forgetting the guy's name. We all do this all the time and he was in the middle of a massive sequence of interviews at the time.

I do it frequently in my line of work, even when I'm talking about the Caley Thistle manager ... em.....Sergei....er... um....ah.....

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I get disheartened by those that are disheartened. Your disheartenment (okay, I know it's not a word by I've been watching the sage that is Charlie Nicholas on SSN!) allows the dangerous people like Davie, Nicky and Eddie to do what they want when the want without any checks or balances.

Don't let your disheartenment get you down. Disheartenment leads to disenheartenmeantexploitation by the disenheartenmentexploiters!!

Kepp the ___________ flag flying!

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I get disheartened by those that are disheartened. Your disheartenment (okay, I know it's not a word by I've been watching the sage that is Charlie Nicholas on SSN!) allows the dangerous people like Davie, Nicky and Eddie to do what they want when the want without any checks or balances.

Don't let your disheartenment get you down. Disheartenment leads to disenheartenmeantexploitation by the disenheartenmentexploiters!!

Kepp the ___________ flag flying!

:laugh:

The disenheartation of politcality is symtomatic of the whole genericasisation of party politiking..........i think :ponder:

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Your disheartenment (okay, I know it's not a word by I've been watching the sage that is Charlie Nicholas on SSN!)

It's a perfectly good word in my book... not that I've used it in any of them but may now do so in my next one!

It means the state of being disheartened which, as far as I can see, is exactly how you meant it.

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I quite like the red flag

It symbolises the working class struggle to get out of the mire of the rule of the Tories in the 1920s and 30s when there was a dire need for socialism

Don't forget that without the Labour party in those early days you would still be doffing your cloth cap to the bosses.

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The people's flag is deepest red,

It shrouded oft our martyred dead,

And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,

Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.

Within its shade we'll live and die,

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,

We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Look 'round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,

The sturdy German chants its praise,

In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung

Chicago swells the surging throng.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.

Within its shade we'll live and die,

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,

We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It waved above our infant might,

When all ahead seemed dark as night;

It witnessed many a deed and vow,

We must not change its colour now.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.

Within its shade we'll live and die,

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,

We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It well recalls the triumphs past,

It gives the hope of peace at last;

The banner bright, the symbol plain,

Of human right and human gain.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.

Within its shade we'll live and die,

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,

We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It suits today the weak and base,

Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place

To cringe before the rich man's frown,

And haul the sacred emblem down.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.

Within its shade we'll live and die,

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,

We'll keep the red flag flying here.

With heads uncovered swear we all

To bear it onward till we fall;

Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,

This song shall be our parting hymn.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.

Within its shade we'll live and die,

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,

We'll keep the red flag flying here.

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I don't think you are missing anything

But to say they are all out for themselves is a bit mean

There are a lot of very good hard working people in all political parties

Without there efforts we wouldd be without government

Show some respect

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My own party is full of good hard working people but they are a mixed bag. When independence comes and the dust settles we'll have the best government and opposition in these isles, at the moment we just have the best parliament.

Respect? Is that George Galloway's party?

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Personally, I think that the higher the level of politics you achieve, the lower your usefulness !!!

For me - with one or two exceptions we could probably all name - local politicians work hardest for the least money and get things done that have a real impact on the community they serve ... ie. Community Councillors, City/Regional Councillors etc .... They are generally focused, and until recently in the Highlands, party politics did not really come into it as the council was traditionally made up largely of 'independents'

When you get to politicians on the national stage, be it at the Scottish Parliament or Westminster then to all intents and purposes their hands are pretty much tied by the party they belong to. Each party pushes its own agenda and regardless of which one it is, that agenda is a compromise of the views of its membership demographic heavily influenced by the party's traditional heartlands and none of them can claim to represent all people in all parts of the country just as the individual MP/MSP cannot claim to represent all his/her constituents !

As that MP/MSP rises through the ranks in the party, or serves multiple terms in parliament, I truly believe many of them also totally lose touch with the "ordinary people" who dont go for expenses paid trips, "fact finding missions" or other nice treats .... I believe this is doubly true of those MPs who are 'parachuted' in to extremely safe seats in one or other of the parties' traditional strongholds. As for European Parliament ... completely useless ! More brown envelopes than FIFA (allegedly).

Of course, I am generalising in all of the above and there is room for the exception to the rule in any level of politics ... the shady local guy rather than the hard working one, the national politicians who do work hard or go against party lines to represent their community etc .... but overall, I am quite cynical about politicians - be it in the UK or here in Canada - I just feel that no matter who gets in, they are all gonna screw you somehow !

I think Billy Connolly said it best in one of the 'straight' parts of one of his monologues .... "I think, roughly, the desire to be a politician, should ban you for life for ever being one" !!!

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So you are saying Danny Alexander is wonderful ??? If not, then you are misreading or misunderstanding my comments because I certainly am not saying that.

Personally, I thought David Stewart was a decent MP for Inverness, but the rest .... no thanks, and even in Stewart's case, my judgement may be 'rose-tinted' as I know him away from politics through his brother and through his affiliation and true support of ICT (unlike some of the other politicos who tried to pretend they were ICT fans when in Inverness or County fans when in Ross-Shire). My house, before I emigrated, and before parliamentary boundaries were changed again, was part of Charlie Kennedy's constituency and - other than being leader of his party and appearing on Have I got News For You - I dont recall him doing anything special for the area either.

Other than that, the only other politician I have warmed to was one over here called Jack Layton. A true man of the people (with a 70s porn star moustache :lol:) who just recently (2011) managed to take his party from their traditional 3rd place in parliament, beat one of the other traditional - and often government forming - parties into the ground (although they did do some self destruction of their own) and become the official opposition in the Canadian parliament. Unfortunately, Layton died from Cancer before ever taking up his post as official leader of the opposition, and was afforded a 'state funeral' attended by tens of thousands of Canadians and also carried live on TV. this was the first ever Canadian State Funeral for a politician who was not a serving or former prime minister !!!

The reason for his popularity was largely because "he told it like it was" regardless of whether or not what he said was going to be a popular soundbite or not, and never ever forgot he was just a normal person like everyone else (he rode a bike around the city or used public transport, always took time to talk to people, and not in a 'setup' way, just in the way everyone goes about daily life etc.). He was regarded as 'honest Jack' and his personality shone through in influencing the reshaping of his own party (which itself had f***** up when in provincial power in Ontario years before) and I think it may have even taken him to the prime minister's chair had he lived longer...... guess we will never know ......

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When I first moved here I was getting a lot of Haressment from B....... St..... a water Company

Their administration was getting me down, phone callsd letters by me where having no impact.

I asked Alexander to sort it out and he did so straight away without any pack drill or ceremony

I don't go along with his efforts in the colilition but on a local MP level he is hard working and concientious

He is a young man who needs to learn a lot about politics in London , hopefully the road to Damascus will not be too long

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It's just a pity that David Stewarts "True Support of ICT" turned out to be....well, not so true (in my opinion)....and that he allowed others to take advantage of the goodwill he had built up through is affiliation to the club.

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On a non - Labour note, did Danny Alexander re-new his ICT season ticket this year? Or does that only happen a year before a general election?

I've sent 2 emails to him whilst he's been MP. The last one was regarding the cancellation of buses in the evening in certain areas of Inverness. Since I have family members this will affect i thought it important to plea to the 'local MP'.

33 days later... yes, 33 days later I received a reply from his PA telling me that Danny was very busy and if I wanted to discuss it further I should come to a surgery. He refused to answer. He refused to do his £65,000 a year job.

Now I was until about half a year ago a member of the Liberal Democrats. I canvassed for them down in Edinburgh and then Glasgow and I am disgusted by what has happened in the last year. Now I effectivally oppose the Lib Dems. There are great people within the Liberal party but unfortunately the Lib Dems have been hijacked by complete frauds such as the ginger rodent and Clegg (Clegg himself was a member of his Universities 'Conservative Club').

Back to Labour.... erm, Ed Millibean. Leader? I think not!

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there are only a few real true "polititians" left around these days. And what i mean by that is true leaders, debaters and characters. They now all appear smarmy and greasy joes, invented and made to look like what the people should trust. Never trust them as they are fabrications of their parties belief

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It's just a pity that David Stewarts "True Support of ICT" turned out to be....well, not so true (in my opinion)....and that he allowed others to take advantage of the goodwill he had built up through is affiliation to the club.

Don't be too hard on him CD. He's just not that bright.

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On a non - Labour note, did Danny Alexander re-new his ICT season ticket this year? Or does that only happen a year before a general election?

Check his expenses. Given what he has claimed for in the past I assume Mr. Alexander would have no qualms claiming costs back on something like a football ticket!

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