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The new scheme introduced to force the unemployed back into work was a shambles from the start and a court ruled that to force people into unpaid work was unlawful. The UK government decided it would be easier to change the law than pay the forced labour their due monies. Tories and LibDems forced this through parliament against a handful of Labour (most abstained the vote!), SNP, Plaid Cymru & Greens.

 

When a government acts to overthrow the rule of law it is in fact the act of a dictatorship and our democracy ceases to exist.

 

What chance does our democracy have when the opposition party abstains from the chance to prevent this injustice?

 

If you are a Labour supporter, is this what you voted for?

If you voted Danny Alexander in, are you happy that he actually voted in favour of overturning a court ruling to save a few pounds that should have been paid for work actually done?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-simon-duffy/workfare-is-modernised-slavery_b_2773051.html

 

http://thirdsector.thirdsector.co.uk/2013/03/11/lets-ditch-the-work-programme-and-introduce-the-community-allowance-instead/

 

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/6981-labour-has-questions-to-answer-after-letting-tories-off-hook-on-workers-rights#comment-190297

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PMF it's hardly a scandal that the government is forcing unemployed people to actually do something for their unemployment benefit!!

I'm fortunate to have never been unemployed and people who are in this situation that desperately want to work do have my sincere sympathy. However, I don't see that this is such a big deal. After all, there is a proportion of unemployed people (however small) that are quite happy to be supported by the state and my hard earned and worked for tax pounds!

I have to work for my money, so why shouldn't the unemployed?

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PMF it's hardly a scandal that the government is forcing unemployed people to actually do something for their unemployment benefit!!

I'm fortunate to have never been unemployed and people who are in this situation that desperately want to work do have my sincere sympathy. However, I don't see that this is such a big deal. After all, there is a proportion of unemployed people (however small) that are quite happy to be supported by the state and my hard earned and worked for tax pounds!

I have to work for my money, so why shouldn't the unemployed?

 

Would you work for the basic wage if it meant you're actually worse off than when you don't work? That's a different issue anyway.

 

Is it not a scandal that government are overturning a court ruling by introducing a law which takes effect retrospectively? Think about that for a minute please and then tell me if it is ethical. 

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PMF it's hardly a scandal that the government is forcing unemployed people to actually do something for their unemployment benefit!!

I'm fortunate to have never been unemployed and people who are in this situation that desperately want to work do have my sincere sympathy. However, I don't see that this is such a big deal. After all, there is a proportion of unemployed people (however small) that are quite happy to be supported by the state and my hard earned and worked for tax pounds!

I have to work for my money, so why shouldn't the unemployed?

 

I've been unemployed...and I'd not have had a problem working for my benefits....but I would have had a problem working for big businesses like Tesco, Poundland etc.  It's not a lot different, imo, to the working tax credit set up.....both are predicated on adding to the profits of big business at taxpayers expense.....both for the big business doing the employing....and the big business doing the placements. 

 

I'd have been happy to do voluntary work  for  charities/local councils on the lines of Community Service etc  though....much more useful doing stuff that charities/councils can't afford to do anymore as the government cuts back on funding everything which isn't pensions, wars and military equipment than do what firms who make millions in profit could easily pay someone to do.

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PMF it's hardly a scandal that the government is forcing unemployed people to actually do something for their unemployment benefit!!

I'm fortunate to have never been unemployed and people who are in this situation that desperately want to work do have my sincere sympathy. However, I don't see that this is such a big deal. After all, there is a proportion of unemployed people (however small) that are quite happy to be supported by the state and my hard earned and worked for tax pounds!

I have to work for my money, so why shouldn't the unemployed?

I've been unemployed...and I'd not have had a problem working for my benefits....but I would have had a problem working for big businesses like Tesco, Poundland etc. It's not a lot different, imo, to the working tax credit set up.....both are predicated on adding to the profits of big business at taxpayers expense.....both for the big business doing the employing....and the big business doing the placements.

I'd have been happy to do voluntary work for charities/local councils on the lines of Community Service etc though....much more useful doing stuff that charities/councils can't afford to do anymore as the government cuts back on funding everything which isn't pensions, wars and military equipment than do what firms who make millions in profit could easily pay someone to

do.

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Absolutely agree with this but why make it compulsory. A willing volunteer is better than two or more conscripts.

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PMF it's hardly a scandal that the government is forcing unemployed people to actually do something for their unemployment benefit!!

I'm fortunate to have never been unemployed and people who are in this situation that desperately want to work do have my sincere sympathy. However, I don't see that this is such a big deal. After all, there is a proportion of unemployed people (however small) that are quite happy to be supported by the state and my hard earned and worked for tax pounds!

I have to work for my money, so why shouldn't the unemployed?

I've been unemployed...and I'd not have had a problem working for my benefits....but I would have had a problem working for big businesses like Tesco, Poundland etc. It's not a lot different, imo, to the working tax credit set up.....both are predicated on adding to the profits of big business at taxpayers expense.....both for the big business doing the employing....and the big business doing the placements.

I'd have been happy to do voluntary work for charities/local councils on the lines of Community Service etc though....much more useful doing stuff that charities/councils can't afford to do anymore as the government cuts back on funding everything which isn't pensions, wars and military equipment than do what firms who make millions in profit could easily pay someone to

do.

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Absolutely agree with this but why make it compulsory. A willing volunteer is better than two or more conscripts.

It is the "conscripts" who are the very ones that you want to be doing this! The willing volunteers are, by definition, trying to get themselves back into the workplace. The real issue are those that are quite happy - or "better off" - being supported by the state.

If someone is actively avoiding work because they don't fancy the job or can earn more being on the dole, then make them work for it - whether in public sector, private sector or charitable work.

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Ive lived in poor countries and the dole isnt poor. Providing training and contacts is a great idea. Feel free to stay unemployed if you dont want to but why should anyone pay for that?

When I was unemployed many moons ago, I had to jump through so many hoops to get voluntary work.  As long as hope for the future is driving this, I see nothing wrong with encouraging the long term (or even the short term) back to work.

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PMF it's hardly a scandal that the government is forcing unemployed people to actually do something for their unemployment benefit!!

I'm fortunate to have never been unemployed and people who are in this situation that desperately want to work do have my sincere sympathy. However, I don't see that this is such a big deal. After all, there is a proportion of unemployed people (however small) that are quite happy to be supported by the state and my hard earned and worked for tax pounds!

I have to work for my money, so why shouldn't the unemployed?

I've been unemployed...and I'd not have had a problem working for my benefits....but I would have had a problem working for big businesses like Tesco, Poundland etc. It's not a lot different, imo, to the working tax credit set up.....both are predicated on adding to the profits of big business at taxpayers expense.....both for the big business doing the employing....and the big business doing the placements.

I'd have been happy to do voluntary work for charities/local councils on the lines of Community Service etc though....much more useful doing stuff that charities/councils can't afford to do anymore as the government cuts back on funding everything which isn't pensions, wars and military equipment than do what firms who make millions in profit could easily pay someone to

do.

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Absolutely agree with this but why make it compulsory. A willing volunteer is better than two or more conscripts.

They are doing compulsory to appease the red-tops and those who whine about the undeserving poor..and so they can pay companies to find the jobs and keep on-sides with big business for a nice sinecure come the day when they have no job themselves.  Knee-jerk reactions to whiners and taking the easy option re targeting is what the UK Government does best...in fact it seems it is all it does...which is why our life is generally a tale of lurching from bad to worse with the occasional u-turn.  

 

Have to say I don't have a problem with compulsory...provided it isn't a compulsory "you will do this because we say so" but a compulsory "these are the options, what would you prefer to do, given you have to do something."   

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