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I read with much amusement that Scottish Nationalist politician John Mason has announced and encouraged people to boycott his local travel agent.  This is because the owner of the travel agent voted against the break up of his country 2 years ago

 

This reminds me of the Scottish Nationalists campaign to boycott Tunnocks Tea cakes because of the word 'British' on them.  All things Harry Potter are also black listed in some Nationalist circles as well.  

 

The question is will John Mason and other Nationalists now boycott Andy Murray?

 

 

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41 minutes ago, ed said:

 

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"I'll tell you another one, Andy.... they're now saying they also want to boycott Mummy!:lol:"

The Nationalists really are making me more and more ashamed to admit to being Scottish. I've never been particularly enthused about the Scottish thing (as many regulars will be unsurprised to learn) but I'm now at the stage where I find myself thoroughly embarrassed to admit to the label. The Scots have always had this unfortunate weakness for self-caricature, much of it through the medium of entertainment. You only have to look at the likes of Harry Lauder, the Krankies, the Alexander Brothers, the White Heather Club, the Tartan Army etc to be assailed by this Caledonian Cringe which makes you just that bit embarrassed to be part of this nonsense.

However the scale of the soapbox that the Nats have acquired for themselves (don't blame me - I voted NO in 1979 and 1997) now means that they are in a prime position to take over and hugely enhance the role of Embarrassers in Chief. Worse still, they claim to speak for Scotland and indeed to BE Scotland to the further detriment of the way in which people elsewhere look at us. Thanks to the Nats the Scots are being increasingly portrayed to the world as a dour, humourless, mean spirited, discontented, cyberaggressive, grudge-bearing, resentful, Anglophobic bunch of curmudgeons, desperate to pick a fight with and show a grievance towards anybody they can, especially the English.

Sometimes I wish I had been trained as a psychoanalyst with the opportunity to get one of the more extreme variety on my couch - there's certainly no shortage. It would be intriguing to get an insight into the kind of mentality that boycotts anything that doesn't adhere to their political views, brands political opponents as Anti Scottish, bears paranoid grudges all over the place and - if elected to Westminster - takes advantage of the resulting platform to embarrass an entire community. You really do wonder what kind of dark Freudian machinations go in in some of their heads to produce this unrelenting mean-spiritedness.

Do they ever have social nights out? I would just love to be a fly on the wall at one of them, just to get a flavour of the misery, resentment, conspiracy theories and utter lack of humour that would inevitably dominate the proceedings. On the other hand, I could just pop into the Gelluns on an average Friday night....:lol:

As the bawbee drops with more and more of them that the Leave vote they were so desperate for is actually going to make separation as lot LESS likely, we must unfortunately expect ever intensifying unpleasantness and meanness of spirit. The loud and clear response has to be - NOT IN OUR NAME!

 

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1 hour ago, ed said:

I read with much amusement that Scottish Nationalist politician John Mason has announced and encouraged people to boycott his local travel agent.  This is because the owner of the travel agent voted against the break up of his country 2 years ago

 

Clearly one can see the funny side of this pathetic behaviour, but there is a much more serious issue here.  Whilst Mason has rightly been condemned for his comments by representatives of other political parties, an SNP spokesman simply said "“All individuals and businesses are entitled to express their point of view and contribute to political debate, and we do not seek to influence people’s consumer choices on the basis of those views.”  So, the SNP, whilst expressing the politically correct view, failed to express any criticism of Mason for doing exactly the opposite.  In other words, they passively condoned what he said.  That, rather than the comments themselves is what anyone who values their freedom and our democracy should be worried about.

During the election Charles raised the issue of SNP behaviours having parallels in the rise of National Socialism in Germany.  I steered clear of that aspect then but Charles was absolutely right in what he said.  It is surely a given for any democrat that discriminating against people because of their political views is wrong.  Where does it stop?  A boycott today, graffiti tomorrow, a brick through the window next week, a petrol bomb next month?  Mason's behaviour is just the sort of activity which will inhibit people from voicing opposition to the SNP because they will worry it will affect their livelihoods or that they will be subject to abuse or physically threatened. Of course, nobody is suggesting that anyone in the SNP would wish to emulate the evil that the Nazis perpetrated, but what is becoming increasingly evident is the acceptance by the party of intolerance to views different from their vision of the true path.  It's the next step down the slippery slope from the obnoxious mantra of being accused of "talking Scotland down" whenever someone disagrees with the SNP's perceived wisdom.  Now, if you are "talking Scotland down", you are fair game for discrimination and intimidation.

Had Mason said he was boycotting a travel agent because the owner was a Muslim, there would have been widespread outrage and the SNP would have severely censured him.   So why do they tolerate the same behaviour when directed against someone who has a different view on a political issue?  At what point does discrimination and intimidation of people who don't agree with the SNP's distorted view of political correctness become unacceptable to the SNP?  In the interest of freedom and democracy, that point should be a zero tolerance towards these behaviours.  The fact that an elected SNP MSP behaves in this way and is not subject to censure by his party is profoundly worrying.



 

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12 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

During the election Charles raised the issue of SNP behaviours having parallels in the rise of National Socialism in Germany.  I steered clear of that aspect then but Charles was absolutely right in what he said.  It is surely a given for any democrat that discriminating against people because of their political views is wrong.  Where does it stop?  A boycott today, graffiti tomorrow, a brick through the window next week, a petrol bomb next month?  Mason's behaviour is just the sort of activity which will inhibit people from voicing opposition to the SNP because they will worry it will affect their livelihoods or that they will be subject to abuse or physically threatened.

The parallels between the rise and behaviours of Nationalism in Scotland in the current era and Germany post WW1 pile up relentlessly, so Mason's outburst simply continues a trend.

First of all, let's look at the origins and developments of the respective nationalist movements. At the absolute centre of both is an unrelenting campaign to fabricate and then exploit grievance against invented malefactors. For long enough the nats have indulged in the historical fantasy of their Jacobite trilogy (Glencoe, Culloden, Clearances) and exploited historical ignorance to place blame for this at the door of the English. They have also exploited economic difficulties to antagonise the monetarily challenged, many of whom, unfortunately, are also insufficiently politically aware to realise that they are being taken advantage of. And more recently, the grievance culture has ramped up another gear with the myth that they didn't really lose the 2014 referendum but were stabbed in the back by the BBC and other arms of the "establishment". Similarly, the rise of Nazism began with the myth that Germany didn't really lose WW1 but they were stabbed in the back by their establishment, in a conspiracy with those hate figures the Jews and Communists - for which, in Scotland, read English and Tories. The hate figure parallels are especially chilling. Many Nats now want a rerun of the conflict which they claim never really to have lost. Maybe they should remember that it didn't take long for the Germans to realise that their particular "rerun" wasn't really a hell of a good idea! Then there are the economic considerations. Just as the NSDAP exploited reaction to the Great Depression of 1929, the SNP have similarly milked the Recession of 2008 to their own ends. History has shown that populations tend to react to economic problems like these by exhibiting strange voting patterns and espousing crank causes. In more recent times, this gives a clear insight into, among others, the recent rise of Donald Trump, UKIP and UKIP's Scottish equivalent the SNP.

Then there are corresponding behaviours where parallels are equally alarming. Overarching the entire scenario is the fact that in the case of both these nationalist parties there is/was an ongoing campaign to make the State and the Party appear to be one and the same. Hence the SNP continually claim to speak for Scotland whereas they patently do not. Then there's symbolism. In both cases we see definite efforts to have the emblem of the Nation and the emblem of the Party incorporated into one and the same thing. So anywhere Scottish Nats tend to gather, be that George Square or a tent outside Holyrood or even the Gelluns, the saltire is always present in huge numbers. In similar fashion, the swastika was always the stand-out image, present in swathes at Nuremburg rallies and other set pieces as Germany prepared for its own particular "rerun". Then there are individual behaviours - especially bullying ones - which supporters of the respective movements adopt. Both parties also operate stringent centralised control of what members are allowed to say and believe. Then the Scottish referendum campaign saw repeated swarms of intimidating nationalist Sturm Macteilungen on the streets, although technological developments of the last 80 years mean that much of the intimidation can now be done from the comfort of a keyboard - hence the rise of Cybernattery. Then you have the aggressive and intolerant behaviours of elected representatives on the floor of the Reichstag/Westminster. Add to that the respective episodes of book burning and commercial boycott relatingto political opponents and you just have to wonder how long it will be before we get our very own "Crystalnicht" with Barrhead Travel's windaes getting "pit in" and copies of Shakespeare and Chaucer burned on the streets.

However even this strong and lengthy analogy does have its limits. A separate Scotland would pretty unlikely to conquer Europe with nothing more to draw on than three guys with Claymores, a rowing boat and a second hand Sopwith Camel!

Any chance of a reasoned response rather than abuse and a red dot from Dougie Danger or any of his fellow travellers?

 

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15 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

"I'll tell you another one, Andy.... they're now saying they also want to boycott Mummy!:lol:"

The Nationalists really are making me more and more ashamed to admit to being Scottish. I've never been particularly enthused about the Scottish thing (as many regulars will be unsurprised to learn) but I'm now at the stage where I find myself thoroughly embarrassed to admit to the label. The Scots have always had this unfortunate weakness for self-caricature, much of it through the medium of entertainment. You only have to look at the likes of Harry Lauder, the Krankies, the Alexander Brothers, the White Heather Club, the Tartan Army etc to be assailed by this Caledonian Cringe which makes you just that bit embarrassed to be part of this nonsense.

However the scale of the soapbox that the Nats have acquired for themselves (don't blame me - I voted NO in 1979 and 1997) now means that they are in a prime position to take over and hugely enhance the role of Embarrassers in Chief. Worse still, they claim to speak for Scotland and indeed to BE Scotland to the further detriment of the way in which people elsewhere look at us. Thanks to the Nats the Scots are being increasingly portrayed to the world as a dour, humourless, mean spirited, discontented, cyberaggressive, grudge-bearing, resentful, Anglophobic bunch of curmudgeons, desperate to pick a fight with and show a grievance towards anybody they can, especially the English.

Sometimes I wish I had been trained as a psychoanalyst with the opportunity to get one of the more extreme variety on my couch - there's certainly no shortage. It would be intriguing to get an insight into the kind of mentality that boycotts anything that doesn't adhere to their political views, brands political opponents as Anti Scottish, bears paranoid grudges all over the place and - if elected to Westminster - takes advantage of the resulting platform to embarrass an entire community. You really do wonder what kind of dark Freudian machinations go in in some of their heads to produce this unrelenting mean-spiritedness.

Do they ever have social nights out? I would just love to be a fly on the wall at one of them, just to get a flavour of the misery, resentment, conspiracy theories and utter lack of humour that would inevitably dominate the proceedings. On the other hand, I could just pop into the Gelluns on an average Friday night....:lol:

As the bawbee drops with more and more of them that the Leave vote they were so desperate for is actually going to make separation as lot LESS likely, we must unfortunately expect ever intensifying unpleasantness and meanness of spirit. The loud and clear response has to be - NOT IN OUR NAME!

 

You, ashamed to be Scottish Charles, who would have thought it...I am very proud on the whole to be Scottish although I do often feel ashamed by some of the views espoused and proclaimed  ad nauseum  by some of my fellow countrymen.

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3 hours ago, Kingsmills said:

.I am very proud on the whole to be Scottish although I do often feel ashamed by some of the views espoused and proclaimed  ad nauseum  by some of my fellow countrymen.

Presumably, in the context of the thread, you are referring here to John Mason?

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3 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

Presumably, in the context of the thread, you are referring here to John Mason?

No I think it might be someone nearer home :wink: Regardless of what other people say talking up or down our country I am always very proud to be a Scot :scotland:

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10 hours ago, Kingsmills said:

I do often feel ashamed by some of the views espoused and proclaimed  ad nauseum  by some of my fellow countrymen.

Yeh... Alex Salmond constantly banging on about $113 a barrel must have been pretty hard to take!

I fully accept that when the Tartan Revolution comes I will be found wanting. The "Righteous Among The Nation" will declare me beyond the pale. To the self satisfied Eloi of the SNP I will be but a humble Morlock. Meanwhile the "Inner and even the Outer Party" will surely condemn this humble Prole to "Room A Hunner' An' Ane" for his thought crimes against the State derogatory remarks about the Party and ridicule of the 56, 55, 54..

There's only one thing that really frightens me about that, and it's what I will find when I get to "Room A Hunner' An' Ane".

If I'm lucky, it will be a Corries Tribute Night in the Gelluns. However it will surely be far, far worse than that. Yup, my "Room A Hunner An' Ane" is sure to contain......

Alex Bloody Salmond!:crazy::crazy::crazy:

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