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  1. 1. Do you support the introduction of Colt Teams in the SPFL?

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17 hours ago, ictchris said:

The crowds when Celtic and Rangers Under 20s played in this season's challenge cup

Celtic U20s v Annan at Cappielow - 216

Celtic U20s v Cowdenbeath at Central Park - 449

Rangers U20s v Stenhousmuir at Forthbank - 324

Celtic U20s v Livingston at Energy Assets Stadium - 1219

The only game that saw any significant increase in crowds was the Livingston game, which the Celtic 'Colts' lost 5-1.  That's another point, I'd imagine that a lot of the enthusiasm of this idea might fade when decent lower league teams started scudding the Ibrox and Parkhead kids week-in, week-out.

 

I'm quite impressed by those numbers actually. Almost 500 for Cowdenbeath? I don't think they'd get much more or any more than that against us: 

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It is the desire/intention for ICT to have a Colts team in the Highland League from season after next.

Next season the players who would have played in the Development League will be loaned out to HL teams with an ICT Colts team the following season.

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26 minutes ago, Tree said:

It is the desire/intention for ICT to have a Colts team in the Highland League from season after next.

Next season the players who would have played in the Development League will be loaned out to HL teams with an ICT Colts team the following season.

When ICT was formed the plan was to still have a colts team in the HL. This was rejected at first base by the HL with them saying it devalued their league  

Here we are 22 yrs later and.....

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What other leagues do have second teams in the set ups. Yes we know Spain has, and I think both have been relegated in recent seasons.

But how do the people from those league think it works?

Everyone assumes its two teams who would enter teams, what about Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, and Dundee etc.

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1 hour ago, bauhaus said:

What other leagues do have second teams in the set ups. Yes we know Spain has, and I think both have been relegated in recent seasons.

But how do the people from those league think it works?

Everyone assumes its two teams who would enter teams, what about Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts, and Dundee etc.

MLS.

some of the teams have their 2nd or 3rd teams playing in the USL or NASL setup or in Toronto's case (with TFC II and TFC III), both. The biggest difference is that there is no promotion or relegation between each of the leagues so no problem in that regard ... although teams can (and do) send recovering or fringe players to the other teams and can call up players from them to the first team seemingly at random .... 

 

from Wikipedia : 

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MLS formerly operated a reserve league which gave playing time to players who were not starters for their MLS teams. The Reserve League was formed in 2005, and operated through 2014 (with the exception of the 2009 & 2010 seasons).[135] MLS began integrating its Reserve League with the league then known as USL Pro in 2013,[136] and after the 2014 season folded the Reserve League, with MLS now requiring all teams to either affiliate with a USL team or field their own reserve side in that league.

 

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33 minutes ago, Scotty said:

MLS.

some of the teams have their 2nd or 3rd teams playing in the USL or NASL setup or in Toronto's case (with TFC II and TFC III), both. The biggest difference is that there is no promotion or relegation between each of the leagues so no problem in that regard ... although teams can (and do) send recovering or fringe players to the other teams and can call up players from them to the first team seemingly at random .... 

 

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Sensible set up by the sounds of things

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13 hours ago, caleyboy said:

Sensible set up by the sounds of things

It is pretty sensible.

MLS may be a joke to some, and to be honest it did not exactly do much to disprove that opinion for a while. But MLS 2.0, which started in the 90s, and which has really started to grow exponentially since 2006, is vastly different to the MLS of the days when Pele, Beckenbauer, Best et all came to play for The New York Cosmos back in the 70s. (even if the NY Cosmos name was recently revived in one of the lower leagues).

Of course there are the 'designated players' here for a final payday - Drogba, Lampard, Gerrard to name 3 recent ones - and there are also ones that somewhat defy explanation - Barry Robson, Kris Boyd, Shaun Maloney, Kenny Miller - to name a few Scottish ones we have all heard of, but there are also some quality players over the years both above and below the 30 mark. David Beckham and Thierry Henry may have been over 30 when they arrived but both were still excellent players. I have no time for brand Beckham but there was no denying his quality, even as he got longer in the tooth, and the same can be said for Henry, despite the dogs abuse he got every time he came to Toronto for cheating against Ireland !!!  Nowadays we get to see Kaka, Andrea Pirlo, David Villa, and Bastian Schweinsteiger ... but maybe more importantly we also get to see the likes of Michael Bradley (29), Jozy Altidore (27), Sebastian Giovinco (just turned 30), Giovanni Dos Santos (28) and other players under 30 who have made the move to MLS with some still starring regularly for their national teams. The same impetus has been put into future development. ......      

The newer version of MLS has grown slowly, has made it a requirement of entry that all teams must have purpose built youth academies and youth policies, have set policies in place that give teams incentives (or less squad and salary cap penalties) to use 'homegrown' or 'generation adidas' players and now they are expanding the affiliations with other teams or seeking entry into the lower leagues. It is done not to benefit the clubs themselves, but to benefit the development of youth and those leagues. The ultimate aim is to make the USA national team into one of the best in the world by promoting, developing and nurturing that young talent alongside the mentorship of senior players ... and by default to do the same for Canada who are part of the setup with Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (and possibly Ottawa, Edmonton and others in future). Do the most basic of research and you cant help be impressed with the aims and goals. I liked this article (and part two that it links to at the end) as a kind of summary : http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/07/25/mls-3-0-series-history-mls-1-0/ and this one that shows how Candian 'soccer' is benefitting : http://lastwordonsoccer.com/2017/01/17/mls-3-0-canadian-soccer/ . The most recent Canadian squads showed 22 players of 24 in the U17 team came from 4 clubs. Toronto (11), Montreal (2), Ottawa (3) and Vancouver (6) with one each from Dinamo Zagreb and Auxerre. The U20 squad had 8 of 20 from Toronto FC II (5), Vancouver (2) or Ottawa (1), and the most recent full squad had 15 players from the main Canadian teams. The transformation in the national team fortunes is going to be like Iceland ..... people - including Canadians - are going to be saying 'its just Canada' but assuming they continue to promote development then at some point everything is going to click and they will explode onto the world scene. The USA may end up as a top team, but Canada definitely has the potential to be a decent level team on the world stage. perhaps not world beaters, but maybe perpetual qualification and the odd foray into the latter stages of the odd competition. 

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5 hours ago, Scotty said:

It is pretty sensible.

MLS may be a joke to some, and to be honest it did not exactly do much to disprove that opinion for a while. But MLS 2.0, which started in the 90s, and which has really started to grow exponentially since 2006, is vastly different to the MLS of the days when Pele, Beckenbauer, Best et all came to play for The New York Cosmos back in the 70s. (even if the NY Cosmos name was recently revived in one of the lower leagues).

Of course there are the 'designated players' here for a final payday - Drogba, Lampard, Gerrard to name 3 recent ones - and there are also ones that somewhat defy explanation - Barry Robson, Kris Boyd, Shaun Maloney, Kenny Miller - to name a few Scottish ones we have all heard of, but there are also some quality players over the years both above and below the 30 mark. David Beckham and Thierry Henry may have been over 30 when they arrived but both were still excellent players. I have no time for brand Beckham but there was no denying his quality, even as he got longer in the tooth, and the same can be said for Henry, despite the dogs abuse he got every time he came to Toronto for cheating against Ireland !!!  Nowadays we get to see Kaka, Andrea Pirlo, David Villa, and Bastian Schweinsteiger ... but maybe more importantly we also get to see the likes of Michael Bradley (29), Jozy Altidore (27), Sebastian Giovinco (just turned 30), Giovanni Dos Santos (28) and other players under 30 who have made the move to MLS with some still starring regularly for their national teams. The same impetus has been put into future development. ......      

The newer version of MLS has grown slowly, has made it a requirement of entry that all teams must have purpose built youth academies and youth policies, have set policies in place that give teams incentives (or less squad and salary cap penalties) to use 'homegrown' or 'generation adidas' players and now they are expanding the affiliations with other teams or seeking entry into the lower leagues. It is done not to benefit the clubs themselves, but to benefit the development of youth and those leagues. The ultimate aim is to make the USA national team into one of the best in the world by promoting, developing and nurturing that young talent alongside the mentorship of senior players ... and by default to do the same for Canada who are part of the setup with Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (and possibly Ottawa, Edmonton and others in future). Do the most basic of research and you cant help be impressed with the aims and goals. I liked this article (and part two that it links to at the end) as a kind of summary : http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/07/25/mls-3-0-series-history-mls-1-0/ and this one that shows how Candian 'soccer' is benefitting : http://lastwordonsoccer.com/2017/01/17/mls-3-0-canadian-soccer/ . The most recent Canadian squads showed 22 players of 24 in the U17 team came from 4 clubs. Toronto (11), Montreal (2), Ottawa (3) and Vancouver (6) with one each from Dinamo Zagreb and Auxerre. The U20 squad had 8 of 20 from Toronto FC II (5), Vancouver (2) or Ottawa (1), and the most recent full squad had 15 players from the main Canadian teams. The transformation in the national team fortunes is going to be like Iceland ..... people - including Canadians - are going to be saying 'its just Canada' but assuming they continue to promote development then at some point everything is going to click and they will explode onto the world scene. The USA may end up as a top team, but Canada definitely has the potential to be a decent level team on the world stage. perhaps not world beaters, but maybe perpetual qualification and the odd foray into the latter stages of the odd competition. 

TBH Scotty I have never believed that the Scottish Development league has done anything to develop our youngsters. Personally I am a great believer in sticking the young uns with potential in with the more experienced pros so that they are training and playing with better, more mature players. We used to to do this and these young lads had their kidneys dunted by the old HFL defender and told not to come back or there would be more. I know that's not football but they grew up a lot quicker and developed a lot quicker, Grant Munro, Ike Fraser to name but two. I just wonder where we are going from here. 

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