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Is Brad Mckay extending his contract beyond this season?

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I had a look and it was a 2 year deal he'd signed so expires next summer.

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1 minute ago, Council Juice said:

I had a look and it was a 2 year deal he'd signed so expires next summer.

Think there is a hint on the clubs twitter

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Elsdon loan deal is six months with an option to extend to the end of the season. Confirmed by the player and the manager apparently.
 

 

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On 06/07/2017 at 10:41 PM, IBM said:

Think there is a hint on the clubs twitter

Might have been a 1 + 1 deal whereby both parties agree to activating 2nd year.

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Joe Chalmers -  2 year deal. Previously at Motherwell 

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I've added our new striker Felitciano Zschusschen. There's been no official announcement but a) he came on as a sub v Stirling, b) he was mentioned in the post match interview albeit very briefly and c) there is a club photo of him holding the home strip with his name and number 19 so it appears to be a done deal. Contract length details will be added when known. If that means waiting for the new Football Manager then so be it. :lol:

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Can't find anything about Alex Cooper contract length other than it being a short term deals.  One imagines it's long enough to cover injuries in wide areas that we currently have with Aaron and Zak.

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6 hours ago, Council Juice said:

Can't find anything about Alex Cooper contract length other than it being a short term deals.  One imagines it's long enough to cover injuries in wide areas that we currently have with Aaron and Zak.

He is contracted until January.

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On 7/19/2017 at 0:25 PM, Council Juice said:

I've added our new striker Felitciano Zschusschen. There's been no official announcement but a) he came on as a sub v Stirling, b) he was mentioned in the post match interview albeit very briefly and c) there is a club photo of him holding the home strip with his name and number 19 so it appears to be a done deal. Contract length details will be added when known. If that means waiting for the new Football Manager then so be it. :lol:

How long is his contract. Hope it expires on 28/07/17!!!!

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On 26/07/2017 at 9:33 AM, Caman said:

How long is his contract. Hope it expires on 28/07/17!!!!

2 years Caman. Like most of our signings this summer. Very surprised with our policy this year. Normally in this division it's better to start with 1 year deals so that the players play out of their skin for longer contracts, and if they don't work out the club isn't stuck with the player, and the player can try somewhere else. Could be the deals all have release clauses after first year. I don't know.

Give him a chance, it's still more or less pre season. He seems to find himself in the right places and might improve as he forges links with his team mates. He's new to the British game. Might take a bit to get used to it. Could be a decent option from the bench to start with.

- further note, Connor Bell has signed a 1 year deal with the club. 

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1 hour ago, Council Juice said:

2 years Caman. Like most of our signings this summer. Very surprised with our policy this year. Normally in this division it's better to start with 1 year deals so that the players play out of their skin for longer contracts, and if they don't work out the club isn't stuck with the player, and the player can try somewhere else. Could be the deals all have release clauses after first year. I don't know.

 

I'm sure our manager thought about all that BEFORE he made the contract offers

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1 hour ago, caleyboy said:

I'm sure our manager thought about all that BEFORE he made the contract offers

Its not normally the manager that makes contract offers. They just ask the board to arrange a deal with the player and his agent.

We've seen a marked change in recent years since Butcher left with regards to contracts. Rarely did new signings get longer than 2 years and many often just got one. We then started handing out 3 year contract extensions left right and centre. I'm not sure if this is a change in board policy or something the management team has pushed for ("We'll attract a better calibre of player if we give them more security to move north")

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20 hours ago, Council Juice said:

Its not normally the manager that makes contract offers. They just ask the board to arrange a deal with the player and his agent.

We've seen a marked change in recent years since Butcher left with regards to contracts. Rarely did new signings get longer than 2 years and many often just got one. We then started handing out 3 year contract extensions left right and centre. I'm not sure if this is a change in board policy or something the management team has pushed for ("We'll attract a better calibre of player if we give them more security to move north")

Don't know where your info comes from but the manager is always consulted 're signings. If he wasn't how the he'll would a director with no football knowledge know what to offer out of the budget and how long the manager wants the player for? 

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Most modern club managers, after identifying the player and notifying the board of a wish to sign leave contract negotiations to the board, with preferred contract length. They may then go back to the manager and inform them as to the impact the signing will have on his remaining budget, and the manager will then ok it. Even then the higher up the ladder you go in pro football the less the manager has influence on contract.

But the DoF with business, contract and budget knowledge is certainly the one who sits down with the player and their agent. Whether the manager is in the room, so to speak, for initial talks is entirely up to the club and manager.

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8 hours ago, Council Juice said:

Most modern club managers, after identifying the player and notifying the board of a wish to sign leave contract negotiations to the board, with preferred contract length. They may then go back to the manager and inform them as to the impact the signing will have on his remaining budget, and the manager will then ok it. Even then the higher up the ladder you go in pro football the less the manager has influence on contract.

But the DoF with business, contract and budget knowledge is certainly the one who sits down with the player and their agent. Whether the manager is in the room, so to speak, for initial talks is entirely up to the club and manager.

Maybe of interest to you that we don't have a dof and our directors either have no or very limited football knowledge. Who at ICT do you think offers contracts - Tommy Cumming? Don't believe everything you read CJ.

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You're the one who mentioned directors. Lol. In our case and most other cases it would be the chairman who takes on this role. Contracts generally being handled by business people. What their actual title is, is of little relevance.

This is because the football people have already run the rule over the player in a football sense. Whereas they may outline basics in discussions (contract length may be discussed), finances are conducted by finance people. Not those who have "either no or very limited knowledge" of running a business. Contract details are thrashed out by the chairman/Chief executive/ Director  and the players agent.

I don't know what decade you're living in but managers these days have far less input in contract negotiations and signings than they once did. Managers can no longer sneak transfers through behind the owners back or sell them for a case of bubbly. They are largely restricted to the football operations side of things. At full time level anyway.

You shouldn't believe everything you're told caleyboy if you think Robbo is sitting in an office dotting i's and crossing t's... :lol::wink:

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Is Elbouzedi getting 0 as his squad number, or has he just not been given a number yet? 

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no number listed by club yet. he was injured before making any squad appearances so they havent (publicly) confirmed squad number 

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36 minutes ago, Scotty said:

no number listed by club yet. he was injured before making any squad appearances so they havent (publicly) confirmed squad number 

Okey dokey. Cheers.

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Caman, the official site has been woeful in its ability to keep basic things like new signing updates and the squad list for this season up to date. As well as releasing any information of note.

I've always considered it a bit half hearted.

How hard is it to get the manager to update them with a list of available players for team news regarding suspensions and injuries. Not asking for a personal medical record. Just along the lines of "knee injury" would suffice. "Back in training"

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