Scotty

Glad you cut off your quote here:

Scotty: QOS @ 1.66 CDN Girl: Spartans @ 2.10 SOS: Dumbarton @ 1.90

Scotty HT: 1-0 FT: 2-1 1st Scorer ICT: Billy Mckay 1st Scorer Pars: McCann Crowd: 1899 CDN Girl HT: 0-0 FT: 1-0 1st Scorer ICT: Shaw 1st Scorer Pars: Wighton Crowd: 1955 SOS HT: 1-1 FT: 3-1 1st Scorer ICT: Brooks 1st Scorer Pars: O'Halloran Crowd: 2012

Scotty HT: 0-0 FT: 1-2 1st Scorer ICT: Billy Mckay 1st Scorer Air: Gallagher Crowd: 1844 CDN Girl HT: 1-1 FT: 2-3 1st Scorer ICT: Brooks 1st Scorer Air: O'Connor Crowd: 1901 SOS HT: 0-1 FT: 1-1 1st Scorer ICT: Lodovica 1st Scorer Air: Todorov Crowd: 1777

Scotty: QOS @ 1.75 CDN Girl: Queens Park @ 2.15 SOS: Clyde @ 1.85

Fixtures now added up to Week 11. To predict for his game select WK 11 from the dropdown or just enter all your scores from the My Predictions link on the left.

yes we can do that. Usually @Gringo takes care of this but I will try and add them shortly.

Oh, this is depressing ... I am off over to the Toronto FC message boards for some happy discussion! Oh wait, Toronto FC sacked their manager recently, the fans want the president to resign as the rot "starts at the top", the team cant buy a goal or a win to save themselves, two of the three 'stars' (Lorenzo Insigne and Federico Bernadeschi) seem to have utterly switched off, and despite having the highest payroll in MLS (until Messi arrived) were sitting second bottom of the table with only Miami below them ... this is the same Miami that - with Messi's help along with Jordi Alba and Busquets - have stormed through the Leagues Cup so far against MLS and Mexican Liga MX sides and who will no doubt carry that form into the MLS games when the season resumes next week. Funny how things are running in parallel right now with the situation at ICT!! OH... and TFC's interim manager? One Terry Dunfield, formerly of TFC and very briefly, getting a few games and red carded in a Ross County shirt! Man as much as I love football, I hate it at the same time!

Just for you

He also spells his name with one T so it would have been Scoty which just looks all wrong

Have to admit, when I read the title, I thought it was about me also and wondered what I had done overnight while sleeping... been around longer than Mr Gardiner too, especially on this site. Then you seem to be getting all high and mighty when someone calls you out on it which is a little out of order IMHO. I will let you decide to change the title or not, but personally, I dont like it!

Scotty HT: 1-0 FT: 1-1 1st Scorer ICT: Billy Mckay 1st Scorer Ayr: Bryden Crowd: 1988 CDN Girl HT: 1-1 FT: 2-2 1st Scorer ICT: Shaw 1st Scorer Ayr: McKenzie Crowd: 2015 SOS HT: 0-1 FT: 1-2 1st Scorer ICT: Bray 1st Scorer Ayr: Murphy Crowd: 2166

Scotty: Alloa @ 2.00 CDN Girl: Partick @ 2.00 SOS: Clyde @ 1.80

And that's the catch 22. The club will not set "achievable targets" with some random person behind an internet pseudonym, even if that person decided that they would longer be anonymous. So that begs the question on just who could get them to sit down and set some targets. Whether you like/dislike, trust/distrust the ST or anyone on the board (as is your right), it doesn't really change the fact that this is the most likely body with a chance to galvanise support from a wide spectrum and unite fans to get something done and hold the feet of those who are currently unaccountable and increasingly aloof, to the fire. The Trust could identify and discuss Specific, Measurable, and Attainable items from the survey or other feedback that are Relevant to the support and agree a Timeline with the club to hit certain milestones or benchmarks. Thats S.M.A.R.T. If the same body can increase membership and voting share whilst doing this, then they do become more and more "strong and relevant" and let's face it, they stand more chance of that than any of us do as individuals (unless someone has an Uncle Roy sized wallet?). If people have an issue with giving the current board of the Trust this responsibility, then as has been mentioned already, anyone is free to stand/serve or influence the policy through participation. However, it's like every other volunteer body ICT has ever had, it's not hard to get on the committee, because not enough people are willing to get involved ... it is harder to get off the committee. I was on the predecessor of this back in the early 2000s. I had to emigrate for my resignation to be accepted [joke - mostly] On a personal level, I am going to break my own online rules and use credit card to join since I can't use alternate payment options and will be happy to proxy my tiny shareholding to them should they want this for future meetings. I personally will also hold the Trust accountable in their own right using the same 'SMART' process. If they set goals with the club, then i would expect them to do their darndest to achieve those goals, and if they don't then I may choose not to renew membership and/or revoke my proxy. The aim here is to get the club listening and pointing in the right direction again, and however we can get that done is great. If anyone has other suggestions or better plans or simply doesn't want to place any faith in the trust, that is your right and I respect that. When it comes down to it, we are all ICT fans, and we all want what's best for the club and that is for us to be heading up the table not down, playing good football, and being fiscally responsible off the pitch while also having a social conscience and community focus. We have lost a lot of that in the last few years so getting some of that back would soon begin to turn the tide.

no idea no idea no idea From a personal point of view, I think most people would notice any improvements just as we see the opposite right now. For me, if I see incremental improvements based on changing behaviour (rather than one-offs), signs that we are moving in the right direction, then that might start to satisfy 1 & 2 for me. For others, what they want to see may be different. In some ways, that's where the survey comes into play. It's a representative document with a broad cross section of respondents so if the club want to sit down with the ST and discuss how things can improve and set "SMART" goals then I am fine with that. Plan 'B' no idea, but I hope no-one really has to look to that as that would indicate the club are continuing to ignore the very real concerns of their shareholders. I always remember this (or similar) graphic from a training session decades ago where I was encouraged to set realistic and measurable goals - I try to stick to that to this day ....

For me, I think the best option - whether some agree with the organisation and its current leadership or not - is to make the Supporters' Trust "strong and relevant". Call out that statement for the BS it is!! An inbuilt voting share of 10% plus the potential to have other supporters to perhaps proxy their personal shareholdings to the Trust may be the quickest and possibly most effective way to have a voice heard. I hear the arguments made, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for those who decry the lack of communication from the club, then the Supporters Trust is at least communicating on here in this forum, and has been reasonably often, as well as the subforum they asked us to setup (https://caleythistleonline.com/forum/152-supporters-trust/) and it should be noted that they also just setup their own feedback forum on the back of the report: https://www.ictsupporterstrust.org/forum Only issue I have is I don't use credit card for personal online purchases and there does not appear to be a PayPal or alternate payment option otherwise I would be reporting now that I have joined already because the 'strong and relevant' comment has tipped the scales for me.

If that quote from the club is correct and completely in context, then it is worrying. I am guessing it came from the CEO as it sounds like the kind of verbiage he has used in the past. If so, then exactly what does this employee of the club, which is owned by its underlying shareholders define as a "strong and relevant" group? If we assume that the season ticket base is somewhere between 1000 and 2000 as often quoted, then is the definition of "strong" or "relevant" 10% 20% or 50% of that number? Who has arbitrarily decided the level or does it vary depending on how accountable you choose to be? Does an organisation with 200 paid members and a minimum 10% voting right in the organisation for which this employee works cut it? no? 500 members with the same 10% right? If so why the delineation based on number rather than voting share? We (CTO) have - on average - 5000 unique 'real people' per month visiting the site when you exclude anonymous visits, bots, search engines etc. Are we strong or relevant? or, as has been levied at us in the past are we just a bunch of whingeing naysayers in the eyes of some folks and happy clappers in the eyes of others? Are sizeable numbers of Twitter and Facebook users relevant even though not organised into a single cohesive group? Social media postings, even on an individual basis if strong enough can often cause policy changes in even the biggest companies. What about Podcast listeners? or Travel Club members? or section 94? all of whom seem to be relevant to the club sometimes and not others. Bottom line is that when enough people from all of these disparate 'groups' are unhappy about the situation then the powers that be should really take notice. Whether you are a proponent of the Trust or see issue with it, it doesnt really matter, the reality is that the survey is an excellent document and one that the club would be ludicrously stupid to ignore or write off just because it says what they don't want to hear. The highlighted bit is the money shot here IMHO. We have been through all of the highs and lows together and for most of it we showed "TogetherNESS" as the old cliche went ... but sometimes during our 29-year history, we have gone it alone with the support and club badly misaligned. These have typically been the deepest lows and the club at those times has become more and more insular thinking it protects itself if it does not communicate. This is the worst I have seen communication in my memory and to be sure, it does NOTHING to protect the club, just alienates more and more people. For fans to not even get a reply from the SLO or when fans send generic emails with zero controversy and those are still ignored, is unacceptable and if we were ever to aim for the premiership again, this would also pose a problem for achieving UEFA club licensing for the top division. Its not that hard. You start with the small stuff. reply to emails and engage the support. Perhaps one day you can graduate to multiple paragraphs or regular communications? ^ this % You are entitled to your opinion, but I can't really agree with this. Over the last 29 years there have been various incarnations of official supporters' organisations with varying names. The commonality between them is that they were always run by unpaid volunteers, who have the club in their heart. Is it the same group of people? yes, quite frequently its the same names in the frame every year, but that's because these are often the only ones stepping up. Do those people become jaded after a while? absolutely - talking from experience on that one. You can only bang your head against a brick wall so often. In the case of specific individuals you mention, yes, they did a good/great job of engagement either while volunteers or in some cases while in the employ of the club, but I think in those cases life happened with job changes, moving houses etc. or they also banged heads against brick walls, so they no longer actively participate. Again, you are entitled to show your displeasure how you want, and it is perhaps wrong of me to comment in either direction given that, other than the player sponsorship (for last season, or for the season just started) which we have heard nothing about since the end of the season, I have very little commercial interaction with the club or local businesses except when visiting. Wholeheartedly agree about the concert debacle and to this day I wonder why they never looked to talk with (or perhaps they did?) someone like Les Kidger or Kenny Cameron who had previously run successful concerts either at the stadium, as a (CK Events) partnership, or on their own. indeed. All seems very unsustainable. Think it has pretty much been like that for a few years hasn't it? Getting to that point too. For me, one of the best (worst) examples of where we wasted money we didn't need to, was Pixellot or whatever it was called. Through the years with volunteers like Don and Andy and others ICT built a pretty good (dare I say award winning) social and broadcast media team, but it seems that this was not really good enough for some as volunteers are (and to an extent always have been) viewed with suspicion at ICT. "What are you after?", "Why are you doing this?", "What's in it for you?". Some people can't grasp that volunteers can simply be in it because they want what's best for their club and are willing to put in time or services if they cant pour in hard cash. In the end we chose to replace that perfectly good arrangement of Andy doing the excellent camera and editing work with a baldy headed social media moment that still does the rounds on social media and not in a good way. Why did we do it? Was it because the perfectly good system in place needed replacing? or was it more to do with it not being an idea that came from a specific source? That ethos is a sure recipe for failure and its painful to watch.

Depending on the phone OS then this might be an issue. Apparently older phones or older versions of iOS and Android are not good at interpreting multi domain certificates. Haven't done much research on this as it's the first time someone highlighted this.

Taking a quick look on google and you may be getting this because our security certificate covers not only caleythistleonline.com but also subdomain wildcards -- ie. predictions.caleythistleonline.com and other subdomains we use to keep things tidy. Solution seems to be to generate certificates for each domain and subdomain separately. I will take a look when time permits but in the meantime you should be able to access one of the two URL\s above. Let me know if that's not the case. https://help.liquidweb.com/s/article/What-Is-Server-Name-Indication-SNI

cant replicate this issue. I can get here without any problem: https://caleythistleonline.com/features/predictionleague.html/ You should also be able to access it on its own subdomain: https://predictions.caleythistleonline.com/

Scotty HT: 1-0 FT: 2-1 1st Scorer ICT: Billy Mckay 1st Scorer QP: Paton Crowd: 2102 CDN Girl HT: 0-0 FT: 1-0 1st Scorer ICT: Lodovica 1st Scorer QP: Turner Crowd: 2222 SOS HT: 1-1 FT: 3-2 1st Scorer ICT: Doran 1st Scorer QP: Hepburn Crowd: 1988

Scotty: ICT @ 2.10 CDN Girl: Dundee Utd @ 1.85 SOS: QOS @ 1.80

Makes interesting reading so far - have added a sidebar link to the right of the page for anyone who needs to go directly to the page --->

Guys sorry, and I apologise in advance if this sounds like a bit of a rant... but there is nothing I can do about it. No ads = no site unless someone wants to sponsor us to have zero ads. I can't afford all the various costs of hosting, domain names, software maintenance, security etc. without them, it's that simple. Also, the ads are not on our server, they are served by google after the page is sent from the server to you, so no errors show up on the server logs. I agree it's a pain (or can be) because it's a real issue when you experience it, but it doesn't leave a footprint on the server as it's not happening server side. Some of the other issues you get - like the stats pages being slow are different and unrelated. These happen occasionally because the stats (as well as the separate prediction league under the features menu) are on an older combo of PHP/SQL and I don't have the skills to upgrade/update this. They have long since become "abandonware" from the original script authors so you are pretty much on your own. The stats issues at times are due to what they call slow queries and although I have optimised what I can, if I try to go further, I run the risk of breaking things completely. Because I don't make a profit on the site, and the ads are, by design, just there so they barely cover costs, I also don't have the funds to hire someone to do this for me. I have asked a few times if anyone on the site has these skills but no responses so until/unless I can figure it out or have someone fix it then it is what it is I am afraid. Sorry my response is not particularly positive but fighting off constant spam attacks and server intrusions as well as trying to deal with the issues being brought up is all pretty draining on a daily basis! ...and let's not even mention the integrations that Google as well as Elon and Zuck keep enabling and then disabling to allow us to post our content direct to social media!!

Scotty: HT: 0-0 FT: 1-1 1st Scorer ICT: Mckay 1st Scorer Dee: Robinson Crowd: 1776 CDN Girl HT: 1-0 FT: 1-2 1st Scorer ICT: Doran 1st Scorer Dee: Rudden Crowd: 1912 SOS HT: 0-1 FT: 0-1 1st Scorer ICT: Brooks 1st Scorer Dee: Tiffoney Crowd: 2001