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There's a reason I started my post with "If"....what's said and what's often the case aren't always the same thing.

If, as has been stated, Trafford suffered a concussion then it's not his choice as to whether he plays on Saturday. Rules exist which state minimum lay off periods. From memory, there's a minimum 7 day rest period (or until symptoms disappear, whichever is longer). That's then followed by a 4 stage return to play process which takes at least 4 days.

Disciplinary Rule 402 is a failure to meet the requirements of the SFA Youth Cup Rule 18. SFA Youth Cup Rule 18 is in regards to teamlines...how they should be presented, when they should be presented, who should be listed on them etc. I was unable to get my hands on a copy of the Hibs teamlines prior to kick-off on the day of the game, so it may be that. There also seemed to be more than the permitted 6 (not including subs) personnel in the technical area during the game, so it could be that. Or it could be an omission or error in a name, date of birth etc. What it doesn't cover, as far as I can ascertain, is playing an ineligible player as there's a different rule for that. The maximum punishment is £10,000 fine and/or being ordered to replay the match.

You have to take it for what it is....a bit of light hearted football related nonsense. I think the phone-ins would be a welcome return, but only if they weren't so OF dominated....I don't actually mind the drunks, the eejits or the dafties in general....great entertainment. In a sport that takes itself far too serious most of the time, it's a welcome break.

For another 4 months!

Tickets will be available on the day....you just can't buy in advance for collection from Dens Park.

Precisely!

Get a room, FFS!!!

I'd get in touch with the club to ask about it as you should have been contacted.

Tickets for visiting fans are being advertised at South Stand prices.

I've been told that away fans for all but the larger travelling supports will be located in Lower F for the remainder of the season. Season ticket holders in that area have/are being relocated.

Willie Collum is the man in the middle on Saturday

I believe his contract expires on the 7th, so yes.

Don't think we saw enough of him to form any opinion on how capable he may or may not have been. Imagine if we'd punted Ridgers after only having seen him in action a couple of times....or Coll Donaldson for that matter? Perfectly decent fella and whilst it didn't work out for him here, I wish him all the best for the future.

Robbo has already confirmed that Elsdon is not having his loan extended.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

No gossip needed. Robbo told the press the other week that the guy had been unfortunate with injury and illness (including a spell in hospital) so not available for selection as a result. Also, a change in circumstances meant that he'd be allowed to move on if he found himself something else.

May the light of the sun shine upon all your families this yule season.

I'll do what I can to make the meeting open/available to those unable to attend in person. I've also contacted Supporters Direct Scotland to try and ascertain what their understanding is of things, whether the advice (if any) they have been given has been provided from a position of having all the information and whether or not they can offer any advice/guidance to the members to move things forward. I await their response.

By my reckoning, yesterday was the last day in which CJT should have issued an EGM notice in order to provide 14 clear days notice for a meeting to be held within 28 days of when they were instructed to call one by the members at the AGM....that meeting should have been set on or before 3rd January 2018. It would be tough to organise an independent open meeting for 2nd January. With it being a matchday then people aren't going to want to go to anywhere other than the stadium and that will be in use with match hospitality so unavailable. The preference would still be fore CJT to call an EGM and/or a meeting, but I'll check out venue availability and look to get something pencilled in either that week or the following.

Reference to the Stadium can be read as "Main Stand & Pitch" when mentioned alongside the North & South stands.

Not true.

Correct, it is written into the club's memorandum and articles.....but any restructuring would mean a new rule-set. Even if those new rules maintained the 10% voting right, it would still render the additional shares held be the trust as worthless as they would/could not be added to increase that voting right. I don't want to be getting ahead of things here as no detail was given at the AGM, just the loose idea....however, as CJT are the only existing fans group with a shareholding/voting right then (on the face of it) we'd either need to set up a new fans group any time we wanted to increase the fans say or, any cap would have to exclude CJT....otherwise you're not putting the club back to the fans, you're capping their influence at 10%....which is worse than the current position. It's all these questions, and many more that will no doubt arise, which make it vital that CJT is suitably represented from the outset.

With the announcement at the AGM that the current board intend to recommend to shareholders that the club is restructured into a Community Interest Company, then there's no time to lose in sorting out CJT. With the intimation given about capping any individual/groups voting right to 10%, this would mean that the Supporters Trust's influence would be immediately diluted with the shares they hold in addition to the 10% voting right becoming worthless. It is also an intimation which appears to stand in contrast to the accompanying line that this is a move intended to put the club back in the hands of the fans. We absolutely need to be organised as a group so we can ensure there's suitable representation at the table when these discussions begin.

From the AGM it was generally agreed that Tulloch had provided in the region of £6,500,000 of "value" to the club over the years (not including any interest). I've not done the exact sums, but it was surmised that they had received approx £2,000,000 in rental income over the years....there's also been £300k of rent arrears written off and no rental for the past 12 months. That gives a net position of about £5,000,000 that Tullochs "paid" for the stadium & leases since 2001. The gift that has just been provided means the club will save 76 years worth of rent at £205,000 plus they asset has been valued at £2,300,000....total £17,880,000. Club will have £30k rent to pay per year (£15k to Common Good Fund & £15k for Car Parks)....over 76 years (and on the assumption we may have the car parks that long or need to pay for an alternative at similar rate if they are developed) that's a £2,280,000......the net "gift" value comes out at £15,600,000....on top of the £5,000,000 net investment by Tullochs from the last paragraph. Whichever way you want to cut it....that's £20,000,000 to the good for ICTFC....and I fail to see how anyone can continue to paint Tulloch as the bad guys. Some of you have been around this forum long enough to know that I did a lot of digging and questioning over the whole stadium ownership/lease deals for a number of years because I wanted to ensure that the debt would never come back to haunt the club. You may also recall that I made a statement (it may still be on this forum somewhere) that whilst I could not share information that I had been shown in confidence, I was happy to stick my neck out and state that the club's interests were being looked after and that the debt would not come back to haunt us. So this is as huge for me personally as it is for the club because a lot of people have questioned my credibility over the years as a result of that. Finally (for now at least...lol)....the work to bring the stadium ownership back to the club was started a long time ago and the offer was made public 12 months ago....so whilst the current board may have been the ones to finally sign off on it, credit has to be given to the previous Chairman and Board as they are actually the ones that made it even remotely likely or possible.