vinnie87

Darren Smith who plays right mid not the keeper Graeme Smith

I think Smith would come, has been on the bench for most of the season but hasn't even been in the squad for the last couple of games.

I had heard Butcher was interested in Darren Smith of Motherwell back in January.

Am I not right in thinking Black was on something similar when he came to the club so I wouldn't say it's too little. He shown a lot of potential but that is all.

There is plenty 21 year olds in the world who live on less than ?350 a week so don't tell me he couldn't do that. Actually I wouldn't imagine there is many who earn more than that. I've heard he didn't want to stay anyway so what does it matter if he wasn't offered a contract.

This is really disappointing but I've heard that vigurs didn't want to stay anyway.

Agree with most of that apart from Barrowman. If he put any 'Imrie like effort' in he wouldn't get half the stick he does. Thank god he didn't start.

He was an absolute joke today. Still no excuse for our performance.

That list is certainly a poor one in terms of international quality.

a Scotland cap under Berti Vogts

Esson Tokely Mihadjuks Munro McBain Kerr Black Duncan Foran Rooney Imrie

I heard today that butcher has made an approach for Darren Smith at Motherwell. Could be a good signing, especially if Cowie leaves before monday. Not sure he has the experience we need for a relegation battle though.

How can you call it extremely harsh? You have no idea what he said to the linesman. If he called him a cheat or something similar it's a certain red card. I thought the yellow was for dissent, which is a caution to his reaction to the penalty decision. Roy is an experienced player and show know better to react like that.

I don't think any of us can say Roy did or didn't deserve to be sent off. You can see what he did (which didn't deserve e red card) but we have no idea what he said to the linesman after the penalty. If it was insulting or abusive the referee has no choice but to send him off.

I don't think any of the other players were really warming up either. Passing the ball back and forth between each other is hardly a warm up.

What do you expect black to do? Would you not want to move to a bigger club, his home club for more money. It makes sense. Most on here would move back to there home town for a job that offered more money. He is by far our best player and until we are well out of this relegation battle should be playing every week.

What do you expect the chairman to do? cancel his holidays. FFS!! I want to see brew out as much as anyone but to come out with a comment about the chairman not having the club at heart because he is going at holiday is out of order. Imagine anyone doing anything family orientated at this time of year! Get a grip.

not sure if they were out early but certainly a long time before st mirren were out.

Yesterday was without doubt a new low. I don't think anyone of those players (esson aside) deserve a smiley rating of more than :thumb04: and those who get that would be for effort not quality. I have to disagree with you on Proctor I thought he looked clueless yesterday. He has basically no positional awareness at all and tokely has t be straight back in next week. A special mention does go to Cowie though, who seems to be too busy thinking how good he is and where he will get a move to. He needs a right kick up the backside. We have nobody who can change a game, well we have Barry but not for much longer.

he was absolutely terrible today and has been every game I've seen him play for us. I couldn't believe Brewster took so long to take him off. Wood did more in 10 mins than barrowman did all game.

Nope but Arsene aint put his name foreward so he aint an option. your point being that fans are voting on who they see as being a better manager since wenger is regarded by most as better than manager than warnock so would get more votes. so we should go for a guy cos the players like him and not choose the better manager? how do you know he is the players choice? would imagine the players all have a different view on the matter. Brewster was popular among the players at the club before but that doesn't make him a good manager. I get on with my boss but doesn't mean he is the best at his job!

No he wasn't. He resigned from Sheffield Utd in May and the team were up here in July. yes he was I remember seeing him. he didn't resign till this may and they came up last july

You are a true legend at ICT. Now you can be rightfully installed in our hall of fame. All the best for the future, which hopefully lies within the club somewhere, and thaks for the memories. :clapping03: :clapping03: :clapping03:

six strikers in the squad and rory is probably the worst out of the six but lets a least give him a bit of credit. he's been a good player at reserve and youth level and has obviously impressed someone in our own management and around the scotland setup. people go on about our players not being recognised at international levels and when one does people question it. Rory has probably been thrown into the first team to early and is yet to prove himself but at youth level he has proved to be a decent player. Saw him play for scotland U20's last season and he did not look out of place at all!!

I didn't really see a lack of togetherness today. Most of the finger pointing was for some awful defending. If you look at the way they celebrated the goal there appaered to be a togetherness about them. I don't remember too many times when all the outfield players celebrated a goal together in one group.