Ecstasy - Class B

[MrsICTFC]

I can't do the fancy link thing but below is a link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7882708.stm

What do you all think, should it be changed?

[DALNEIGHCALEY]

Decriminalise it and have purity tests at clubs etc. to avoid rougue batches .

[MrsICTFC]

Decriminalise it and have purity tests at clubs etc. to avoid rougue batches .

So you think it is safe, if it isn't a rougue batch?

[DALNEIGHCALEY]

Definetly

[MrsICTFC]

Definetly

Each to their own, I can't see how that would ever be monitored.

[Guest birdog]

I have to agree with DalnieghCaley, prohibition never worked in the US for alcohol and it is not working for drugs worldwide. What people forget, with the demonisation campaigns re recreational drugs is that with taking the control of purity/dose etc away from the government and giving it to organised crime you are basically allowing criminals dictate the level of safety of these substances and putting billions of pounds of revenue, which could be used to improve our country and be spent treating addiction and educating users, in the hands of people who are not in the slightest worried about health issues, only profit.

[Guest birdog]

Decriminalise it and have purity tests at clubs etc. to avoid rougue batches .

So you think it is safe, if it isn't a rougue batch?

Unadulterated MDMA is safer than alcohol or tobacco when used by someone who knows what they are doing.

Edited February 11, 2009 by birdog

[MrsICTFC]

I have to agree with DalnieghCaley, prohibition never worked in the US for alcohol and it is not working for drugs worldwide. What people forget, with the demonisation campaigns re recreational drugs is that with taking the control of purity/dose etc away from the government and giving it to organised crime you are basically allowing criminals dictate the level of safety of these substances and putting billions of pounds of revenue, which could be used to improve our country and be spent treating addiction and educating users, in the hands of people who are not in the slightest worried about health issues, only profit.

Say they did make it legal, what would stop bad batches? It could still be on the market?

[Guest birdog]

The same quality control regulations which govern the production of food and pharmaceutical drugs could be imposed on the production of drugs which are at this time illegal.

[Johnboy]

It should remain a Class A drug until someone produces it in a smokeable form....

[MrsICTFC]

The same quality control regulations which govern the production of food and pharmaceutical drugs could be imposed on the production of drugs which are at this time illegal.

Yeah but what I mean is although it is legal that won't stop people making cheaper stuff, dodgy gear. So would it only be illegal if it wasn't legit gear??

[Guest birdog]

In all honesty would you buy home produced moonshine when you had no idea what impurities were in it? It is the same principle, if a drug user had access to high quality substances which were guaranteed to be of a safe standard checked by official controls then I very much doubt there would be a black market and if there was then anyone using it would be extremely foolish.

Edited February 11, 2009 by birdog

[HumbersideDude]

In all honesty would you buy home produced moonshine when you had no idea what impurities were in it? It is the same principle, if a drug user had access to high quality substances which were guaranteed to be of a safe standard checked by official controls then I very much doubt there would be a black market and if there was then anyone using it would be extremely foolish.

If you were sober and drug free you would most likely not purchase any dodgy gear. But, if you look at cigarettes for example. They would come under your criteria for " high quality substances which were guaranteed to be of a safe standard checked by official controls" They can be bought on black market at many pubs, markets,streets, work place etc, and they can contain any carp, at very much reduced price compared to the shops.

The same would happen with ecstacy. People looking for or being offered some ecstacy in pubs and nightclubs would almost certainly not look for the quality control sticker when offered a "bargain" that could have anything in it. Or indeed not have anything in it.

[Guest birdog]

I have no doubt about that at all but the fact that 10 to 20% of 18 to 24 year olds use the substance without having the choice of a safe alternative are using street ecstasy which contains little or no amounts of the drug they think they are taking is absolutely disgraceful. Worldwide sanctions and agreements are putting a generation at risk.

If you look at this site here you can see exactly how much crap is being sold to the youngsters of this country, our prohibitions laws are causing illness and death amongst a generation of our people and that is more criminal than someone buying a drug which in reality is safer than the two main legal psychoactive substances which are used on a daily basis by most of the adult population.

Should horse riding also be banned? LINK

[Guest birdog]

From my last post you can see that the Government appointed drug advisor has stated that "This attitude raises the critical question of why society tolerates - indeed encourages - certain forms of potentially harmful behaviour but not others such as drug use." and "Ecstasy use is linked to around 30 deaths a year, up from ten a year in the early 1990s. Fatalities are caused by massive organ failure from overheating or the effects of drinking too much water." These fatalities could and would be avoided if the government's stance was one of education as opposed to demonisation. I would assume that if people were aware of the danger signs then most, if not all of these fatalities would be avoided. People who get themselves in trouble are not too willing to go to a state run hospital for help when they are using illegal substances and therefore valuable treatment time is lost. Alcohol is legal yet there are thousands of alcohol attributed deaths each year compared with 30 ecstasy related deaths. Is this acceptable in this day and age?

[DALNEIGHCALEY]

Decriminalise it and have purity tests at clubs etc. to avoid rougue batches .

So you think it is safe, if it isn't a rougue batch?

Unadulterated MDMA is safer than alcohol or tobacco when used by someone who knows what they are doing.

That tables a joke , how can cannabis be more harmful than solvents ?

[Guest birdog]

Dalneigh that table takes all sorts of factors into consideration, social harm and harm to health are just two I would imagine that a lot of the placement of cannabis in that table is related to the recent studies showing a link between mental health problems and cannabis use although there is a far more believable school of thought that cannabis use is a symptom of mental health problems as opposed to a cause of them, these studies are subdued by the government however rather than taken into consideration. The main points to consider though are that the fifth and ninth most dangerous recreational drugs are legal and used as a means of tax collection by our government. You will also notice that below alcohol in the harm stakes there are 10 controlled substances with 3 of them at class A, the misuse of drugs act is well and truly misused.

A full summery of the report is here

Edited February 13, 2009 by birdog