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Tansey and Foran were terrific today. I also thought McKay and Winall put in a good shift. It was just one of those days where we threw everything at Killy but the ball wouldn't go in the back of the net. It was a frustrating game for sure but let's not let the red mist cloud our judgment. The only thing I agree with you on is Gnapka, he was way off the pace.

Foran terrific! Thought he had an absolute howler. Couldn't do anything right though he did play his part on the build up to the goal.

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Tansey and Foran were terrific today. I also thought McKay and Winall put in a good shift. It was just one of those days where we threw everything at Killy but the ball wouldn't go in the back of the net. It was a frustrating game for sure but let's not let the red mist cloud our judgment. The only thing I agree with you on is Gnapka, he was way off the pace.

Foran terrific! Thought he had an absolute howler. Couldn't do anything right though he did play his part on the build up to the goal.

Not everything worked but no one could ignore the shift be put covered every blade of grass and for that I will say he was brilliant

He led the team well IMO showing desire and passion to win

By the end he was absolutely shot

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Just watched it on Alba. We certainly had enough chances to win it comfortably. Bell deserved his MOM as he had several good saves.

Was Gillet dropped today, or injured? Also, for about the 3rd time recently OTJ is brought on at the death. What is the point of that? Is he paid on appearances? If he's not fit, I can't see how 2 or 3 minutes at the end of games is going to help!

I know this was Winnall's first start, but he didn't look the part to me. Also the other recent loanee, Gnakpa, is not up to SPL standard. I wouldn't be looking to sign either of them at the end of their loans.

I see today as 2 points dropped rather than a point won, against a weak Killie side who no doubt were saving their best for next week's final against Celtic.

All I'm hoping for now is no late revival from Dunfermline in the final 8 games or so.

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side. We were a lot better in possession which is proved by the fact we got 17 shots away against a "possession side" in killie on another day we would have won.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

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Oh Dear!!!!!! Mixed emotions about todays game, Happy we managed to get an equaliser but unhappy that we struggled against a poor Kilmarnock team today. Working from the back I thought Esson Tokeley Shinnie and Golobart did reasonably well apart from the og. esson did well when he appeared to punch the ball over the bar from the goal line and apart from josh being beaten a few times in the corner we didn't look too troubled until the last few minutes. In the middle Foran worked his socks off and though not every pass was great his effort couldn't be faulted. Greg Tansey has really quick feet but how many times this season has he blootered the ball over the bar. Shane Sutherland and sam winnall seemed a bit ineffective. Tade was Tade if you get what I mean runs around like mad but needs a bit more composure if he is to develop. As for Gnapka when he came on, i don't think I have ever seen anyone less interested in chasing a ball or closing down a man in all my years of watching ICT, TB has wanted him for years apparently mmmmmmmmmm. what does that say? OTJ on with about 30secs left what a joke. Anyhoo thats how I saw the game. this has been a long season for the home fans with not much to cheer us up, thank goodness dunfermline have been poor

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Why oh why oh why does Butcher insist on playing Billy McKay?! Nice wee ryhme to remeber the most ineffectual striker I think we've ever had.

Also Tansey and Foran still getting a game? Shocking.

Points dropped rather than a point gained.

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Gnakpa..."off the pace"...give me a break, we would have been better off going to 10 men than having him on the park.

Players have off days, days where things don't go their way etc, but there's no excuse..not a single reason...for anyone to do what he did today and that was nothing, nada, not a jot. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing, he put in zero effort and didn't even look like he was bothered by the fact.

For anyone calling themselves a professional footballer, that was shameful and showed utter disrespect for his team mates, the club and the fans who paid good money to watch him come on for a wee wander around. There was one ball where he thought about giving chase, but then realised that it would take more than two steps so just gave up. I'm slower than a week in jail and I could have caught it!!!

Really gets my goat up when players plainly have no interest in trying and it was so bad with Gnakpa today that I would be quite delighted if he never pulled on the ICT shirt ever again...in fact, let's just send him home now so we don't risk it rubbing off on any of the other players.

is that the same gnakpa that tel has been tracking for years and is really pleased he has finally got him?????????

have not been impressed with this guy since he arrived. what a waste of a wage

just watched first half on chookee telly. tade played 1-2 and in on goal 4-5 yards out. crying out to be hit with left foot across the keeper. hit it with his right and it goes the way he is facing 5 yards left of goal.

what a plonker.

think i will delete the recording and watch dale winton "in it to win it".

now if i could just find a wall that has just been painted i could watch that dry instead

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Gregory Tade - 25 (first season in SPL)

Billy Mckay - 23 (first season in SPL)

Greg Tansey - 23 (first season in SPL)

Shane Sutherland - 21

Sam Winnal - 21 (first season in SPL)

Graeme Shinnie - 20

Nick Ross - 20

Roman Golobart - 19 (first season in SPL)

Josh Meekings - 19 (first season in SPL)

Call me a 'happy clapper' if you want but the fact is we just dominated an SPL game and came away with a draw, hardly a disaster. Some of the rants against the team on this forum are totally over the top. We had a major rebuilding job in the summer and now have a young, inexperienced squad which has fought its way from relegation favourites to midtable despite our worst ever run of injuries and suspensions. Young players need patience and support, not unrealistic expectations and abuse.

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

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effective-ness?

sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots.

as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie.

and attitude?

did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him.

'' :laugh: ''

thats contructive.

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

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effective-ness?

sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots.

as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie.

and attitude?

did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him.

'' :laugh: ''

thats contructive.

I'm sorry to go against you mate, but I hardly find a defense that leaks 4 goals but keeps out 20 shots on goal, effective. I see where you're coming from as they kept out the majority, but they should be minimising those chances in the first place. Also I think there's a lot to say against the midfield who let a team through them enough to have that many shots.

But I can't back you up on Foran. You can run, put your heart into a game, but it means nothing if you don't actually do anything of menaing. And unfortunately Foran doesn't. The most consistent thing he will do is moan at the ref and his own players.

And once again as I've said before, Billy Mckay? About as effective as a mannequin up front.

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

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effective-ness?

sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots.

as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie.

and attitude?

did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him.

'' :laugh: ''

thats contructive.

Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

:laugh:

effective-ness?

sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots.

as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie.

and attitude?

did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him.

'' :laugh: ''

thats contructive.

I'm sorry to go against you mate, but I hardly find a defense that leaks 4 goals but keeps out 20 shots on goal, effective. I see where you're coming from as they kept out the majority, but they should be minimising those chances in the first place. Also I think there's a lot to say against the midfield who let a team through them enough to have that many shots.

But I can't back you up on Foran. You can run, put your heart into a game, but it means nothing if you don't actually do anything of menaing. And unfortunately Foran doesn't. The most consistent thing he will do is moan at the ref and his own players.

And once again as I've said before, Billy Mckay? About as effective as a mannequin up front.

What he said. ^

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Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

:laugh:

effective-ness?

sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots.

as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie.

and attitude?

did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him.

'' :laugh: ''

thats contructive.

I'm sorry to go against you mate, but I hardly find a defense that leaks 4 goals but keeps out 20 shots on goal, effective. I see where you're coming from as they kept out the majority, but they should be minimising those chances in the first place. Also I think there's a lot to say against the midfield who let a team through them enough to have that many shots.

But I can't back you up on Foran. You can run, put your heart into a game, but it means nothing if you don't actually do anything of menaing. And unfortunately Foran doesn't. The most consistent thing he will do is moan at the ref and his own players.

And once again as I've said before, Billy Mckay? About as effective as a mannequin up front.

i didnt mean they were effective against rangers i meant they were more affective against killmarnock than against rangers.

my fault for not making it clear enough.

on foran imagine if all our players showed the desire he did today we would have trounced them. i know forans not the best footballer but as a leader i thought he was magnificent today.

mckay hes been poor in the most part here he had a good start and has definatly got worse but today he was much improved.

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Very frustrating to watch but in a way for all the right reasons. We never looked like scoring against United on Monday but today there were times were Killie quite simply couldnt get the ball of us. Weve lacked ruthlessness in front of goal alot this season and that reared its ugly head yet again today.

Luck was just not on our side today and Kilmarnock must be one of very few sides to take a lead this season before registering an actual shot at goal. Must admit i have never seen such a spectacular looking OG in my life, wouldve been a terrific goal if it had been at the right end.

The number of times we gave away posession was unbelievable but the fact we kept the pressure on Kilmarnock was good, however the longer it went on the more i felt a goal wasnt coming, especially after Foran missed his 1 on 1. He shoudlve scored but hats off to Cammy Bell, it was a terrific save. And from the corner an even better save from Foran before Billy hooked back in and Golobart had the easy task of just rolling it in.

Was suprised to see us so defensive afterwards, it was the first time Killie really started to press and i feared they may snatch their lead back, fortunately it never came and i suppose given the way we huffed and puffed throughout i was content with a point, being content dosent necessarily make me happy though...not by a long shot.

Few folks get a mention, Golobart who despite his one wee moment had a terrific game both as a defender and a great willingness to help start attacks, Winnall who i thought had an exceptional first start and was unlucky to be hooked so soon, and Foran who despite a few misshaps led the team well and helped drive them on for a result.

Gnakpa should be slapped for his performance though, he was absolute gash when he came on, he was lazy, he was slow, and he showed no real willingness to get forward when he came on. If he carries on like that then he can feck off. Another negative is Shane on the wing, im sorry but this boy is not a natrual born winger, he is a target man, end of.

Another real negative was Calum Murray who i thought had a dreadful performance as referee today, havent seen it on TV but thought when McKay round Bell that was a penalty, and towards the end Nick Ross was hacked down while run at the defence and Mr Murray simply waved play on. He let too many people off to easily. Needs to man up and no when to draw the line.

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Another real negative was Calum Murray who i thought had a dreadful performance as referee today, havent seen it on TV but thought when McKay round Bell that was a penalty, and towards the end Nick Ross was hacked down while run at the defence and Mr Murray simply waved play on. He let too many people off to easily. Needs to man up and no when to draw the line.

that was the first time ive seen nick turn round to the ref and show his frustration that in itself shows how poor he was. nick is usually so composed and has a get up and get on with it attitude on the park

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My thoughts (after putting up with the pish on show on Alba)

I don't know who it was who said Tansey and Foran were both good but have a word with yourself, eh? Both absolutely rotten.

Gnakpa must never, ever pull on a caley top ever again. I don't even want him on our bench. Just get him out.

We must sign Golobart.

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I'm pretty much of the same opinion as Sandy in regards the game. A neutral might have seen it as a fairly decent encounter..aside from the lack of goals. It wasn't all that dissimilar to our performance in the 6-3 game, although you wouldn't think it from some of the reports above.

Just to add that I think far too many fans seem stuck in a mental rut whereby they seem to spend all their time looking for reasons to have a pop at this player or that player. Another thing that seems to stand out a mile is how local lads seem to be able to do no wrong in the eyes of our fans. It's something that caught my attention a few games ago but was as plain as the nose on your face today. Tokely, Ross etc play a stray ball and it's all claps and "good try son"...any of the rest play a stray ball, come up short or just over weight it and it's all "for feck sakes...where the hell did you find him, Butcher".

I'm not talking about one or two in the crowd, I'm talking about large portions of the crowd spread around the whole ground.

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My thoughts (after putting up with the pish on show on Alba)

I don't know who it was who said Tansey and Foran were both good but have a word with yourself, eh? Both absolutely rotten.

Gnakpa must never, ever pull on a caley top ever again. I don't even want him on our bench. Just get him out.

We must sign Golobart.

Make him captain next season too.

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Worst player on the park Gnakpa. Not interested and I agree with previous post(s) that he should never get a start again.

Best player on the park Billy McKay, he is the only player in our team who can take and hold a ball. What he needs is someone to play close to him and feed of his distribution.

Player most needed, OTJ, . Butcher is making a fool of him by giving him 30 seconds at the end of each game.

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