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That was an important win and the player's reaction at the end showed they knew it.  We have often struggled against St J and they needed to get something out of the game to close the gap on us.  They looked a pretty decent, well motivated side but were closed down well with their main threats well marshalled.  They had more possession but the fact that Deano did not have a single save to make speaks volumes of how solid we were defensively

 

At the end we won ugly but we started pretty brightly.  We had a lovely passage of passing football early on before great work from Tremarco down the left allowed him to cross and Billy did well to get on the end of it to score.  We managed to create the better chances and it was perhaps disappointing that others, Draper in particular, did not have their shooting boots on.

 

But just as our defence closed them down well, theirs did the same.  There was some great tackling and covering by both sides and St J will play a lot worse and win this season.

 

I thought both Tremarco and Watkins played well.  Doran was a bit disappointring by his usual standards but for me it was Nick Ross who was the weak link.  He started off really well and had some great touches but as the game got more competetive he was far less effective and was regularly bullied off the ball and pressurised into errors.  He was subbed because of a knock but in my view he should have been off earlier. 

 

No doubt those potential managers on the short list will have been watching and I wonder what they made of the team.  It might be a difficult choice between Tremarco and Raven but I would be surprised if Ross will be in a new manager's first XI.  The rest should be safe.  I would bring Vincent back in when fit with Watkins in place of Ross.  Today was a no nonsense win against a good side.  I think any incoming manager will be well pleased by what they saw today.

 

Did you not think Foran was running the show ?

 

I felt he went over to sort out the substitution,

 

Foran in his anchor man role is getting more and more like Vinny Jones every match

 

Tremendous performance from the skipper

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Played that game pretty much the same way as we played the Hibs game....but against better opposition.

 

I don't think we really "sat back" as such.  We got our noses in front and then as the game progressed we didn't over commit ourselves going forward....and in doing so didn't bring any extra/unnecessary pressure to bare on the defence.

 

Tremarco was the stand out for me today...by the end of the game none of the St Johnstone players looked keen to try and make any kind of move down the left for the fear of encountering him.

 

Thought Marley did really well today also.  Didn't shine due to a lack of outlets going forward as the game wore on, but he probably ran (quite literally) more time off the clock than anyone else.  He's also getting more accustomed to dropping back to cover when Shinnie pushed forward and had a couple of good defensive tackles.

 

Nick Ross took a smack to the face which resulted in a broken tooth and a burst lip, but he was in good spirits after the game and a dentist somewhere's about to make a few quid.

 

Whoever gets the managers job really is going to feel like all their Christmases have come at once.

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Nick Ross took a smack to the face which resulted in a broken tooth and a burst lip, but he was in good spirits after the game and a dentist somewhere's about to make a few quid.

 

Completely off Topic I see the incomparable Carl Froch  did a bit of mouth thumping  tonight

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Tremarco was man of the match. Saw him play at the clach where he couldn't kick a ball, but clearly he has class. Regardless of the result, I thought caley were good to watch. Just wish the done had held on for the draw. Looking upwards, no threat from below based on recent form.

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Great start to game with the goal, ST were very hard in their tackles lots of hand into people in them which ref did not seem to bother about

 

we played some nice balls to foot at times,held on well

great result

 

Trebble ? no I dont think so but realisticly we have at least a cup chance if the team and fans can get to Edinburgh in Feb

 

Onward and upwards

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9 points ahead of this stage last season and 10 goals less conceded. The facts are starting to speak for themselves and I no longer feel like I am tempting fate when I make predictions for Europe/top 2. It might not be pretty at times but good teams win ugly. I think the players also believe it now and we fear no-one. We have a bit more strength in depth too this year and leaders all over the park. Can't wait for the next game and building on our winning run.

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Can I ask - How is Shinnie fitting in on the right ? - Was there any evident tactical / positional change in comparison to Butcher era ? Did we swap the wide players ? Were the substitutions timely and/or effective ?

Fitting in pretty well and made some good runs forward but defensively, he was immense yesterday. The same could be said of the whole back 4. Certainly does not look out of place at right back and, to me, he offers more attacking threat than Raven and is more secure defensively.

 

Substitutions could have been made earlier. Nick Ross should have been subbed earlier and Doran took a knock which probably should have seen him replaced sooner. Thought at times today, the lack of a manager showed on the touchline as Shearer not very vocal.

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Can I ask - How is Shinnie fitting in on the right ? - Was there any evident tactical / positional change in comparison to Butcher era ? Did we swap the wide players ? Were the substitutions timely and/or effective ?

 

 

Just brilliant- now wondering how Raven would do at left back - interesting??!!

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Regarding the comments on Watkins I have which is  "my wont to be",  controversial.

 

I have watch wing play since 1949 and I was a winger myself  many,many, moons ago.

 

Not keen on touch line hugging wingers. It's very old fashioned concept

The modern idea is to have right or left sided midfielders who work in support and defence.  ( known as box to box midfielders ) The idea is to have overlapping fullbacks or wing backs .

I feel that wingers that hang around waiting for a pass is a very specialised job. These players need good positional sense and extreme pace. .

So unless you have a Valencia, Giggs,  Lennon or Wallcott. I feel we should stick to a working right or left midfielders working with overlapping fullbacks. Sometimes a winger doing little defensive work is a bit like playing with 10 men.

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Regarding the comments on Watkins I have which is  "my wont to be",  controversial.

 

I have watch wing play since 1949 and I was a winger myself  many,many, moons ago.

 

Not keen on touch line hugging wingers. It's very old fashioned concept

The modern idea is to have right or left sided midfielders who work in support and defence.  ( known as box to box midfielders ) The idea is to have overlapping fullbacks or wing backs .

I feel that wingers that hang around waiting for a pass is a very specialised job. These players need good positional sense and extreme pace. .

So unless you have a Valencia, Giggs,  Lennon or Wallcott. I feel we should stick to a working right or left midfielders working with overlapping fullbacks. Sometimes a winger doing little defensive work is a bit like playing with 10 men.

Could someone remind me how I can "ignore" certain posters so I don't have to read such bo££ocks

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Can I ask - How is Shinnie fitting in on the right ? - Was there any evident tactical / positional change in comparison to Butcher era ? Did we swap the wide players ? Were the substitutions timely and/or effective ?

 

 

Just brilliant- now wondering how Raven would do at left back - interesting??!!

 

 

What is really effective is how he will sometimes cut in with pace rather than go for width and the cross.  With Billy then doing a diagonal run to the right in front of him it creates a few options.  I can see goals coming from this.

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Well the team has responded well to Butchers departing with two good wins

Good first half where we dominated but we sat back in the second which was very disappointing as we should have finished the game off

I really hope Foran isn't in the plans for an assistant manager or coach and he sees out his playing days as a player, just think the added responsibility won't be beneficial to the team

After that we'll whin knows but he will need to get his coaching badges first the fact that he's been a great captain doesn't mean he will be a great coach/manager, just look how Willie Miller turned out at Aberdeen

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Regarding the comments on Watkins I have which is  "my wont to be",  controversial.

 

I have watch wing play since 1949 and I was a winger myself  many,many, moons ago.

 

Not keen on touch line hugging wingers. It's very old fashioned concept

The modern idea is to have right or left sided midfielders who work in support and defence.  ( known as box to box midfielders ) The idea is to have overlapping fullbacks or wing backs .

I feel that wingers that hang around waiting for a pass is a very specialised job. These players need good positional sense and extreme pace. .

So unless you have a Valencia, Giggs,  Lennon or Wallcott. I feel we should stick to a working right or left midfielders working with overlapping fullbacks. Sometimes a winger doing little defensive work is a bit like playing with 10 men.

 

Nothing wrong with the tactic.  If the opposition don't put a player on the wide winger then they are asking for trouble as otherwise it is a regular outball that can be guaranteed to turn defence into attack.  If you've got players with pace in the team the width this gives you is a distinct advantage.  It can be a useful way of getting messages from the bench as well!

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Watkins really seems to have divided opinion following yesterday. His workrate his 2nd to none and he did a lot of effective work tracking back but he possesses almost no skill and im yet to see him convincingly beat a man on the wing. 

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