Performance of SNP MPs in Westminster

[Oddquine]

I'm inclined to think that we should be starting a thread entitled "Performance of Unionist MPs in Westminster while attempting to preserve the Union", because, so far, they aren't doing terribly well, if their intention is to send all we pro-indy people homewards to think again. Even the Daily Ranger, VOW carrier, is not overly enamoured of their attitude to date...though I suspect that is more of an effort to rescue a dropping sales figure than any real  change in pro-union attitude.

We appear to be surplus to Union requirements....and just us, going by the HoC ranting and braying....not the Welsh or the NI MPs, just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones (though I suspect the relatively few NI and Welsh MPs will get their come-uppance sneaked in more quietly). So far, we have a Scottish Affairs Committee which consists of seven out of eleven members representing English constituencies, is that Scottish votes for Scottish Laws? So far we have had pretty much every amendment proposed to the Smith Commission based Scotland Bill voted down, regardless of who proposed it., whether SNP, Labour or Tory.......and even when every Scottish MP voted for it (bar, of course Scottish Governor General Mundell).....is that Scottish votes for Scottish Laws?. 

Speaking about the performance of Unionist MPs while attempting to save the Union, we can't ignore the "emergency" budget, which is such an emergency that it is going to be a year or two before the actions are fully applied. I don't really expect Charles et al to read the link on the principle that Wings is a pro-indy site and not to be countenanced, but if they do, can they argue cogently against my proposition that the OBR and the Tory Government are still doing what the coalition did during the whole of the last Parliamentary term, which is farting figures regarding the economy randomly out of their backsides.

The article is commenting mostly on an illustration in the Daily Fail, Tory cheerleaders par excellence, which is rather fetchingly coloured in Tory blue, Labour red and misery black, and embellished with figures specially cherry-picked to look good and beneficial.......and its conclusion is.......

Whether you work or whether you’re on benefits, or if you’re both, you’re going to get it in the neck so that the children of the rich can avoid paying a windfall tax on their inheritance, so that the UK can strut around on the world stage with more aircraft carriers, so that big businesses can pay even less tax (in the farcical hope that they’ll voluntarily pass these benefits down to workers in higher pay) and so that the Tories can accumulate a warchest for a future cut in the top rate of tax for the wealthiest.

Good luck, Britain. Don’t lose your job or get sick.

Wings on the Budget.

 

Edited July 9, 2015 by Oddquine

[Charles Bannerman]

 the OBR and the Tory Government are still doing what the coalition did during the whole of the last Parliamentary term, which is farting figures regarding the economy randomly out of their backsides.

 

 

You mean, a sort of Westmonster  equivalent of $103 a barrel as a sustainable long term oil price?

(If I am in need of cheering up at any point, I may seek hilarity from the Whinge Over Skintland take on the budget.)

[+DoofersDad]

Having vilified the Lib Dems for "getting into bed" with the Tories after the previous election, it really is rather pathetic to see the way Labour and the SNP are whingeing about the budget and the fact that the Tories now have free reign to do what the Lib Dems stopped them doing for the last 5 years.

But this of course is what the SNP wanted all along - a Tory Government showing a typical Tory lack of compassion. Had the UK election delivered a Labour Government then we would have had a budget which would have been far more appealing to voters who had switched their allegiance from Labour to SNP, and Labour would likely have clawed back a lot of that support for the Holyrood election.  As it is, there is anger in Scotland over the budget and the Labour party have little credibility.  No wonder Stewart Hosie was smiling when he was stating that the budget would hit the poorest in Society hardest.

[Charles Bannerman]

 No wonder Stewart Hosie was smiling when he was stating that the budget would hit the poorest in Society hardest.

Let's be quite clear about this. The more poverty in Scotland, the better for the SNP - and don't they know it. They have got to where they are electorally by first creating and then milking a sense of grievance among the have nots and those less well placed to make an informed political decision. It is wholly in the interests of the SNP for as much poverty and resentment as possible to persist and better still - in the best traditions of nationalism - to create bogeymen to blame for it all, in other words the Tories.

Let's face it, the SNP badly need the Tories in order to perpetuate this sense of grievance, so of course they were desperate for them to be elected in May. The Tories represent the best hope the SNP have of keeping the electorate (or at least those have nots who lack the political judgement to see through the scam) "mean and keen". Because in relation to the only reason the party exists - to break up Britain - the SNP, cynically, don't give a toss about the poor. In fact they badly need the poor to keep their bandwagon running and are more than happy to exploit their misery to that end.

Funny we don't hear them saying much about oil these days though......

Edited July 9, 2015 by Charles Bannerman

[Oddquine]

Having vilified the Lib Dems for "getting into bed" with the Tories after the previous election, it really is rather pathetic to see the way Labour and the SNP are whingeing about the budget and the fact that the Tories now have free reign to do what the Lib Dems stopped them doing for the last 5 years.

But this of course is what the SNP wanted all along - a Tory Government showing a typical Tory lack of compassion. Had the UK election delivered a Labour Government then we would have had a budget which would have been far more appealing to voters who had switched their allegiance from Labour to SNP, and Labour would likely have clawed back a lot of that support for the Holyrood election.  As it is, there is anger in Scotland over the budget and the Labour party have little credibility.  No wonder Stewart Hosie was smiling when he was stating that the budget would hit the poorest in Society hardest.

The LibDems were not vilified for getting into bed with the Tories......but for ditching most of their principles to do so. If they had entered the election with most of their stated manifesto policies within a gnat's eyebrow of those of the Tories, the coalition might have been seen as less self-serving. I'd have been less irritated by a Labour/Tory coalition in 2015, if a coalition had been necessary, because there isn't a lot more than a gnat's eyebrow between Labour and Tory in the policy stakes any more. The prospect of losing the only chance Nick Clegg et al had of ever getting into Government in the UK under the FPTP system subsumed all the principles which, in an independent Scotland, would probably have made me a LibDem voter. But hey.Clegg has on his CV, for when he loses his seat and has to get back to the world of work, that he was once deputy PM of the UK and has a lot of important contacts.........can't be bad for him, even if he has probably killed off his party to do it.

The Tories have free reign because Labour couldn't get the votes in England...simply that. Getting all the seats in Scotland wouldn't have produced a Labour majority, because they didn't do well enough in England....and Labour didn't get the votes in England partly because the Tories played them (and the English voter) very successfully over an SNP coalition, and they fell for it, (just as they fell for taking the lead in the Better Together Campaign  funded by Tory money, and hacking off the Scots, even many NO voters, who punished them in the GE...was that thick or what?)... and partly because Ed Miliband was never Prime Minister material....not assertive enough (which is maybe why the Unions went for him).  It is a pity he was ever elected to the job, because since he shed the chains of command he has become a much better speaker, because he doesn't have to weigh his words carefully so he doesn't offend anybody in either wing of his party. As an aside, Rev Stu of Wings, the one Charles and others call names and laugh at, said, in September 2012, that Labour would lose, saying  It doesn’t matter how much the electorate likes your policies if it doesn’t believe your leader has the strength to carry them out. Labour is infamously reluctant to sack its leaders, and unless something makes Miliband voluntarily fall on his sword in the next three years – and we can’t imagine what that would be – he’ll lead Labour into the 2015 campaign. If he does, we’ll make our prediction now: regardless of what other events may transpire, Labour will lose.

Actually, you are wrong....the SNP didn't want a Tory Government, although, to be fair, they were probably going to be in a win/win situation whichever way the vote south of the border went....but given it was likely to be a few years before there would be another referendum, why would they want, in charge of the economy, a party which would not only trash the poorest and most disadvantaged in our society, but also cut back on the money available to the Scottish Government to hand back to Westminster in order to ameliorate the effects of their policies on our people, making their own life more difficult.......and allied with MSM reporting, would make it look as if they were either incompetent, because they had to cut elsewhere to do so, or have to increase income tax, making the Scottish taxpayer the most heavily taxed people in the UK. Not the best way to build confidence in Scottish government capabilities wouldn't you say?  An accommodation with Labour was the pragmatic choice, regardless of the fact that policy-wise the two were nearer each other, though not as little as a gnat's eyebrow nearer, (and that the majority of Scots would have tarred and feathered the SNP if they had dared deliberately put the Tories into Government) because that gave the possibility, however remote, that a few concessions could be wrung out of them re amendments to the Smith Commission Proposals as they went through Parliament.

Randomly browsing as I do from time to time, I came across this on Labour Uncut. It was written on 23rd April this year, and was still thinking there would be as many as 23 LibDems. I was struck by the wishful thinking of the whole article, still pushing the SNP BAD mantra of course , probably because, as they said.....and more importantly, it would be electoral suicide for Labour to enter into any kind of agreement with the SNP. It would prove to Scottish voters that the SNP were right all along. Vote SNP and get a Labour government with a strong Scottish accent.(as if that was a bad thing when left of centre policies in any accent in the UK would be a change)  I also noticed they were still pushing the lie that it was the SNP which brought the Callaghan government down, when we all know that it was their own rebel back-benchers, according to Callaghan.and the two NI MPs according to Hattersley.  The only ones who blame the SNP are Labour in Scotland......but then it does fit with their SNP BAD obsession.  Shame the SNP are so bad they're good at what they do, while Labour is so good they have been too busy preening and patting each other on the back about their goodness to notice what has been happening around them......and they are still doing it today. At least the UK candidates for Labour leader have one socialist among them, so they do still exist, (but I bet Corbyn won't get it as he isn't right wing enough), while in the Scotland Branch Office election, we have a set of Blair clones, and that is just what Labour needs in Scotland, isn't it?

I didn't notice Hosie smiling.though I did see IDS looking pleased.

 

 

[+DoofersDad]

Apart from the bit about Miliband, that is the usual nonsense we get from the Nationalist left.  It is nonsense to suggest the Lib Dems ditched most of their principles when they went into coalition.  Of course they made compromises but that is precisely what coalition government is all about!  Of course they agreed with things they didn't like but by the same token they blocked things that they liked even less.  Those who don't sign up to right wing tory policy should thank them for that instead of vilifying them.  One fundamental principle the Lib Dems clearly upheld was a willingness to act in the interests of the country rather than in the interests of the party.  That is not something the SNP will understand.

The concept that there is little political difference between the Tories and Labour is also nonsense.  It is a lie the SNP put around with the "red tories, blue tories" slogan to capitalise on the Tories' unpopularity north of the Border and to imply that only the SNP offer an alternative.  The truth is quite different. I recently heard Kezia Dugdale being asked why she appeared to agree with so much SNP policy to which she replied that of course she agreed with a lot of it because it is Labour policy which the SNP have stolen.

But back on topic and the antics of the unrepresentative SNP rabble at Westminster.  We now hear they are going to vote in the debate about fox hunting in England and Wales. This is just a few short weeks from when they stated they would only vote on devolved issues which impacted financially on Scotland and when they actually used fox hunting as an example of a topic they would not vote on! Sturgeon has defended this u-turn on the basis that the SNP felt they were being ignored in the Scotland Bill debates and so this would remind the Tories that the SNP were there and that the Tories only have a small minority.  This is simple spite and so utterly pathetic.  It is perhaps an appropriate Bill on which to abandon any last vestige of credibility.  The SNP Westminster rabble are themselves like a pack of hounds who have scented independence and are determined to win their prize regardless of all the chaos and disruption they leave in their wake. 

[Charles Bannerman]

 

But back on topic and the antics of the unrepresentative SNP rabble at Westminster.  We now hear they are going to vote in the debate about fox hunting in England and Wales. This is just a few short weeks from when they stated they would only vote on devolved issues which impacted financially on Scotland and when they actually used fox hunting as an example of a topic they would not vote on! Sturgeon has defended this u-turn on the basis that the SNP felt they were being ignored in the Scotland Bill debates and so this would remind the Tories that the SNP were there and that the Tories only have a small minority.  This is simple spite and so utterly pathetic.  It is perhaps an appropriate Bill on which to abandon any last vestige of credibility.  The SNP Westminster rabble are themselves like a pack of hounds who have scented independence and are determined to win their prize regardless of all the chaos and disruption they leave in their wake. 

They would do a U turn on a categorical guarantee not to sell their grannies if they thought it would take them a step closer to separation. I think we also have to take stock of the "quality" of the SNP MPs who have made their way in there. Such was the willingness of almost half of those voting in Scotland on May 7th to place their crosses, sheep-like (perhaps "lemming-like" would be more appropriate), against the SNP candidate that 56 reached the Palace of Westminster.

I am absolutely sure that many who voted for them either didn't think or were incapable of thinking about the quality of the product. They simply sleepwalked into their decision and I am equally sure that many of that 56 will be complete tatties who were never expected to win when adopted as candidates since they were just chucked in to make up the numbers. In fact SNP Central must be quaking in its boots over how it will be able to exercise its traditional Stalinist control over some of these complete numpties who wouldn't know a lobby from a lavatory. It's going to be an entertaining five years watching this.

However this will also be an unfortunate distraction from the complete ars£ the SNP are making of running things where they do actually have a decisive influence - at Holyrood. It really is going from bad to worse. And sorry chaps -you CAN'T blame Westmonster here. This is on YOUR watch.

Justice - that SNP creation which is Police Scotland is fast becoming a black comedy with crises ranging from gun toting cops and farcical stop and search to the criminalisation of football fans and the inability of a national police force under an alarmingly authoritarian Chief Constable even to attend RTAs.

Health - where do I start? Children's wards closing, medical staff in rebellion against management, incompetent budgeting procedures, chaotic targets which have become more important than actual patient care.

Education - schools creaking in the wake of that SNP hobby horse the Curriculum for Excellence which has been disastrously mismanaged from the start. Workload issues which remain unresolved. Third world performance standards. Crumbling school buildings.

Transport - unreliable rail services, CalMac in complete disarray, upgrading of the A9 and A96 measured in decades.

This, of course, corresponds rather closely with the ever lengthening list of downright incompetents who have had to be removed from their posts as SNP ministers.

Education - Fiona Hyslop - who actually almost looked mediocre compared with that ultimate buffoon, the unlamented Michael Russell.

Justice - Kenny "Get Out Of Jail Free" MacAskill.

Health - Alex Neil. Mesh implants were one of his lesser disasters.

Transport - Stewart "Father Jack" Stevenson who thought that taking 10 hours to rescue people from their cars in a blizzard on the M8 was actually pretty good.

Add car crash ministers like that to the SNP spending 3 years thinking about nothing about the referendum and, basically, not giving a toss anyway about anything other than separation and you begin to understand the mess we're in. And people still say they'll vote for them.

Look chaps, if you can't manage the day to day stuff, let's not chase after controlling the big ticket items like defence and foreign policy.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2015 by Charles Bannerman

[Charles Bannerman]

If the SNP are all that outraged at people dressing up in funny gear to perform bizarre sporting rituals, why don't they legislate to ban Highland Games instead of poking their noses into foxhunting in England?

[IBM]

You are on your high horse again tonight Charles

[Oddquine]

You are on your high horse again tonight Charles

That's because on the back of a high horse is as near as he can get to the moral high ground!

[Charles Bannerman]

GRIPE OF THE WEEK.

Well well... it's been a pretty productive few days for the Nats' ongoing attempts to create disharmony, division and a general feeling that the poor downtrodden Jocks are being horribly discriminated against by the nasty English/Tories.

I started with a Gripe Of The Week shortlist of three which I have now boiled down to two, mainly on the strength of their sheer comedy value and originality. So I give you.....

"GCHQ is spying on MSPs". Yup. You heard it here first folks. With Islaamic State and the Taliban going stone mental across the globe, and Putin hellbent on world domination, all these snoopers at Cheltenham are concerned with is whether it's Saltire or Lion Rampant knickers that Wee Nicola has in her washing basket.

OR

"It's not fair that Westmonster Parliamentary recesses don't coincide exactly with Scottish School holidays." Well isn't that terrible! But maybe the 56 should thought about that before taking up this employment at £67,000 a year plus loads of eccies and 16 weeks' annual holiday. And that's before you consider that MPs also have carte blanche to take up all manner of second jobs such as London Correspondent for "Whinge Over Skintland". On the other hand their chums at Holyrood control (and I use the word advisedly!) Scottish education so why don't they just change the Scottish school holidays to suit their London based pals? Or if the job has turned out to be all that dreadful, maybe they should instead exercise their renowned social consciences and become foodbank volunteers instead.

Which brings me to the third whinge which didn't quite make the shortlist, because an SNP-inspired rammy at the opening of a foodbank has long since become commonplace. But here they were in the Dumfries constituency of Tory Scottish Secretary David Mundell doing just that. The Sturm MacTeilung were certainly out in force and how many copies of the Smith Report were burned in the street along with volumes of Shakespeare and Dickens is anybody's guess.

Edited July 25, 2015 by Charles Bannerman

[+DoofersDad]

I think my gripe would be about the Parliamentary question about contingency plans for a second referendum followed up by Salmond's assertion that a 2nd referendum is inevitable.  There should of course be no need for contingency plans because both the then First Minister and the present First Minister stated that the referendum was a once in a generation if not once in a lifetime.  No doubt the SNP MP who raised the question raised it because she is well aware that her leaders are completely untrustworthy.

Interestingly, one of Salmond's reasons for arguing for a 2nd referendum was the difference in Welfare policy North and South of the border and the impact of the austerity agenda.  This really is a bit rich coming from a man who has contributed so much to squeezing public services by freezing the Council Tax - a tax for which increased charges could be afforded by the better off in society and which would benefit the poor and disadvantaged most.

All this nonsense from the SNP is designed to distract us from their increasingly poor performance as the party of Government in Scotland.  As a result, further criticism at the weekend from GPs about the Government's mismanagement of the Health Service did not get the level of scrutiny it deserved..

The SNP leadership know they have to get a 2nd referendum before their bubble bursts.  Unfortunately the bubble seems unlikely to burst whilst Labour are in such turmoil.  Expect more SNP nonsense at Westminster and a Holyrood manifesto which opens the door to a second referendum.

[Charles Bannerman]

 

 

Interestingly, one of Salmond's reasons for arguing for a 2nd referendum was the difference in Welfare policy North and South of the border and the impact of the austerity agenda.  This really is a bit rich coming from a man who has contributed so much to squeezing public services by freezing the Council Tax - a tax for which increased charges could be afforded by the better off in society and which would benefit the poor and disadvantaged most.

 

Let's be absolutely clear about this. The sole reason that the SNP bang on self righteously about welfare and austerity is because they think doing so represents one of their best chances to drive a wedge in between people up here and people down there. Apart from separation, everything else on the SNP agenda is designed either to make the Scottish people feel aggrieved, or different from the rest of the UK or (such as free prescriptions) that they are somehow better off under the SNP.

The SNP are simply being exposed as a bunch of utterly unscrupulous shysters when it comes to exploiting people's credulity and vulnerability to being exploited... simply so that the SNP can get their way on the only thing that means anything to them at all. Do people really believe that the SNP give a toss about poverty? Unfortunately a number of recent Yes/SNP converts appear to have been deluded in these terms, but all the SNP see poverty as is a vehicle for them to create imagined resentment. As such, the SNP actually NEED poverty to keep the masses resentful of the English/Tories and their exploitation of it is utterly cynical. You get Scotland's latest answer to Bessie Braddock banging on about poverty in her maiden speech, but is she really all that bothered?

As DD very rightly says, the SNP's freeze on Council Tax has done a huge amount to prevent the redistribution of wealth and to prevent local authorities from gaining the resources to enable them to help the less fortunate. Similarly, I seem never to have heard a credible answer from any of them to this question - if you are all that concerned about lack of public resources for the less well off and about inequalities in society, why have you continued to blame lack of resources from Westminster rather than use the powers the Scottish Parliament has had since 1999 to increase income tax?

And of course they plan to have a second referendum - but (and this is the good news) only if they ever got to the stage where they would be absolutely certain of winning, because they also know that a second defeat would be curtains for all time. The trouble for them is that the outlook for a separate Scotland has gone even further belly-up even since last September by was of the obvious exposure of the oil myth and of the SNP as a party of governmental ineptitude. People are rapidly tumbling to this which is possibly why the SNP have been incredibly economic in their use of the "I-word" of late. So far, helped massively by the Labour car crash, they have managed to fool some of the people some of the time. But the reality that Scotland is never going to become a welfare and benefits heaven will reassert itself before long and will indeed do so before this lemming-like SNP bubble well and truly bursts.

Edited July 27, 2015 by Charles Bannerman

[Charles Bannerman]

just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones

 

Er... let's just call it 55 for the moment!

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13791520.SNP_MP_Michelle_Thomson_suspended_from_party_as_police_launch_inquiry_into_property_deals/

[Kingsmills]

just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones

 

Er... let's just call it 55 for the moment!

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13791520.SNP_MP_Michelle_Thomson_suspended_from_party_as_police_launch_inquiry_into_property_deals/

I am not convinced that the very proper voluntary resignation of the party whip pending investigation of, as yet unproven, allegations which she denies converts Ms Thompson to being a Unionist.

[Charles Bannerman]

just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones

 

Er... let's just call it 55 for the moment!

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13791520.SNP_MP_Michelle_Thomson_suspended_from_party_as_police_launch_inquiry_into_property_deals/

I am not convinced that the very proper voluntary resignation of the party whip pending investigation of, as yet unproven, allegations which she denies converts Ms Thompson to being a Unionist.

At least bring deprived of "the whip" is unlikely to cause Ms Thomson the same degree of angst as it would have done your average Conservative!

[Yngwie]

just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones

 

Er... let's just call it 55 for the moment!

I read that the SNP have stopped selling mugs and T-shirts which refer to the 56.

That itself is nothing but a very minor inconvenience, but it seems pretty clear that regardless of the police investigation, the facts that are undisputed make it clear that Thomson should never have been made shadow business minister, especially for a socialist party.  "Michelle knows what she's doing, knows her area and knows about fairness, equality and prosperity". Aye right, Nicola. Do some background checks next time.

[Charles Bannerman]

just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones

 

Er... let's just call it 55 for the moment!

I read that the SNP have stopped selling mugs and T-shirts which refer to the 56.

That itself is nothing but a very minor inconvenience, but it seems pretty clear that regardless of the police investigation, the facts that are undisputed make it clear that Thomson should never have been made shadow business minister, especially for a socialist party.  "Michelle knows what she's doing, knows her area and knows about fairness, equality and prosperity". Aye right, Nicola. Do some background checks next time.

Well that's one Holyrood PPC, one Culture Secretary and one MP under intense sleaze scrutiny. So who's next......

[Kingsmills]

just the 56 non-unionist Scottish ones

 

Er... let's just call it 55 for the moment!

I read that the SNP have stopped selling mugs and T-shirts which refer to the 56.

That itself is nothing but a very minor inconvenience, but it seems pretty clear that regardless of the police investigation, the facts that are undisputed make it clear that Thomson should never have been made shadow business minister, especially for a socialist party.  "Michelle knows what she's doing, knows her area and knows about fairness, equality and prosperity". Aye right, Nicola. Do some background checks next time.

Well that's one Holyrood PPC, one Culture Secretary and one MP under intense sleaze scrutiny. So who's next......

.....and, as yet, no impropriety, far less any criminality, established.

[Charles Bannerman]

Well that's one Holyrood PPC, one Culture Secretary and one MP under intense sleaze scrutiny. So who's next......

.....and, as yet, no impropriety, far less any criminality, established.

 But a lot of people are watching with great interest as investigations and scrutiny intensify

[Sneckboy]

Westminster MP for Inverness, Drew Hendry, obviously relinquished his seat on Highland Council when he was elected to  the Commons.
Yesterday saw the by-election for his vacant seat, in the ward of 'Aird and Loch Ness'. An electorate of just under 10,000.
Counting will be conducted later today.

 

[Sneckboy]

Result in:
Drew Hendy's post has been lost, in perhaps a surprise outcome.
Lib Dem's take his former Loch Ness seat.

 

 

[Charles Bannerman]

Result in:
Drew Hendy's post has been lost, in perhaps a surprise outcome.
Lib Dem's take his former Loch Ness seat.

 

 

Now there was a time when, if the SNP had pulled off a result like that, it would have instantly been hailed, alongside every community council success, as "a referendum on the constitution" amid demands for an instant declaration of independence!

It was interesting to hear the successful candidate speaking on the radio and quoting (OK self interested and anecdotal) evidence from the doorsteps of an increasingly less positive attitude towards the SNP.

Let's put this into perspective. The LibDems are such a busted flush that they are most of the way down the toilet - especially in an area which is meant to be the Yes Capital Of The Highlands and where there has been a massive negative reaction to "Sir Danny" - and this seat goes up as LIBDEM GAIN.

Here's hoping the separatist bubble can lose a lot more hot air than this before next May.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2015 by Charles Bannerman

[Charles Bannerman]

PS - Odddquine, Jum Sullurs, Alex Salmond, the mannie that stole the Stone of Scone, Robert The Bruce, everybody at The Gelluns, T in the Park, Angus Robertson's £150,000 bird, Willie Wolf, Winnie Ewing, Feckless Fergus, Cybernats everywhere, Mel Gibson... your boys took one HELL of a beating

[Ritchie Sacramento]

PS - Odddquine, Jum Sullurs, Alex Salmond, the mannie that stole the Stone of Scone, Robert The Bruce, everybody at The Gelluns, T in the Park, Angus Robertson's £150,000 bird, Willie Wolf, Winnie Ewing, Feckless Fergus, Cybernats everywhere, Mel Gibson... your boys took one HELL of a beating

No wonder no one takes you seriously any more . Foaming at the mouth over the SNP losing a COUNCIL seat. Dearie me