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I'm making just my second contribution here in a year of self-imposed purdah because I feel strongly enough about this to want to back up Scotty's effort to put the record straight about David Sutherl

Yup.  Too many armchair fans in Inverness.

Firstly, Todorov has been on the books of Nottingham Forest (2014-15), Hearts (2016-18) and Falkirk (2019) and had loan spells at Livingston and Queen of the South. Anyone who watches lower league Sco

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9 hours ago, caleyboy said:

Partnerships with other clubs was pure fiction. Terry Butcher was the reason we got loan players and signings from England.

Maybe we should try to look into it then .... depending on the teams, the amount of wage percentage we would be expected to pay might put it out of our range but surely its worth exploring. I only mention Toronto as they are actively seeking this kind of thing ... but there must be teams closer to home who could see the merit of some players being blooded in the championship (or premiership when we get back in) and willing to work with the club for mutual benefit.   

 

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22 hours ago, CaleyCanary said:

I'd love to see a tie-up with Norwich City, as Caley Tennis said in his posting they have a tremendous academy setup. They're on the verge of winning the Championship on a team that cost peanuts. They made a mint out of selling on James Maddison to Leicester and his improvement started with his spell at Tannadice where he got regular first team experience. Another cracking batch of youngsters are coming along nicely as are our U18s. City were on the brink of collapse when Webber turned up and the astute activity in the transfer market (selling as well as buying) has had remarkable success. A lot of that is down to Farke and his knowledge of fringe players playing in the lower level European leagues. I remember we used to have a great scouting setup and for me that seems to be what we're missing the most. Norwich have proved, as have we in the past, that you don't need big bucks to build a winning team. What you need is an overall strategy and vision that everyone buys into - sound business sense, a good scouting system, good coaching and a great team spirit. We're more than capable of that.

It was Aberdeen that took Maddison on loan, but yes, he’s a terrific player and I can’t see Leicester hanging on to him.

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12 hours ago, caleyboy said:

Partnerships with other clubs was pure fiction. Terry Butcher was the reason we got loan players and signings from England.

The combination of the attraction for English players of working under an England legend and the long hours and thousands of miles put in by Steve Marcella.

Terry Butcher, like Steve Paterson before him, was an excellent fit for ICT with the right attitude and a good eye for a promising player and I imagine that, with the benefit of hindsight, both now regret leaving the club when they did.

I suspect that both we and they would be in a much happier situation today if they had both stayed on for another two or three seasons.

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We HAD a clear offer from Sheffield United to be a "feeder club" but we turned it down - That was at a stage where certain people thought that we could go it alone AND certain people wanted to remain in charge and reap - or recover - the financial benefits of what going alone could have meant. I suspect that the concern about losing control by being a "feeder club" persists as it would mean a loss of control and - more importantly - a loss of face. That is why I have sympathy with our Board. They are still being held back by one particular "shareholder" or should I say "Fat Controller" ?

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9 hours ago, RiG said:


There was a partnership of sorts with Arsenal. Just not a very successful one :laugh: 

Whadya mean, we got George Brislen-Hall!

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"Striker Nathan Austin has also been given the chance to extend his 18-month stay beyond the end of this season."

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/inverness-caledonian-thistle/1738172/caley-thistle-boss-john-robertson-fears-loss-of-joe-chalmers-amid-ross-county-interest/

"Caley Thistle boss John Robertson fears loss of Joe Chalmers amid Ross County interest"

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Chalmers going to County is a bit meh for me. He's had a decent season but I'm more bothered about losing someone like Welsh or Donaldson.

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We really need to wait until we find out which division we will be in next season before deciding what we need and, more to the point, what we can afford.

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2 hours ago, Kingsmills said:

We really need to wait until we find out which division we will be in next season before deciding what we need and, more to the point, what we can afford.

i don't want Austin regardless of what division we're in.

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That's a terrific bit of news.  Ridgers has done really well this season and having someone reliable between the posts helps to build confidence through the team.  Let's hope this news helps encourage others to renew and extend contracts too.

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47 minutes ago, CableGuy said:

Ridgers has extended his contract until 2022 ?

 

 

That's good news ?

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1 hour ago, CableGuy said:

Ridgers has extended his contract until 2022 ?

 

 

This will be his way of saying thank you to the club for giving him a chance. Great result for us and like has been said let's hope that encourages some of the other players in our team to extend. Agree with the Austin comments also I'd happily let him leave brings nothing to the table. Be better taking a punt on a lower league striker wager to prove themself.

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19 hours ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

I suspect that the concern about losing control by being a "feeder club" persists as it would mean a loss of control and - more importantly - a loss of face. That is why I have sympathy with our Board. They are still being held back by one particular "shareholder" or should I say "Fat Controller" ?

This would be the same guy who literally gave away 700,000 shares via the Trust and put them under the direct control of the current group running the club? The same guy who has been pumping money into the club since the early 2000s to keep us afloat, and who has also (quietly) continued to do the same over the last couple of years despite having no direct involvement with the club or any position or representation on the board? A man who also saw a fairly simple agreement to hand over ownership of the two stands back to the club morph into a tome that Tolstoy would have been proud of which achieved the same result but ultimately cost us more, and a man who so clearly wants control that he now only has a personal shareholding of just over 50,000 shares (50,250 to be exact) instead of the 750,250 he could have retained. 

David Sutherland may be many things Johndo, and at times you can certainly question or wonder about motives, I know I have over the years, especially when there seemed to be that childish spat with AS but without his cash, his interest, and his stewardship we would not have a club to be talking about. That is a fact regardless of your personal opinion of him. The current board are not being held back by him, they are being kept afloat ! With all due respect to the current board, they seem to talk a good game, but you just need to read comments about hospitality, about season tickets, about budgets, read the chairman's own statements and promises on ICTFC.com, or talk to the multitude of people who have left, are leaving, or have "retired" to see that much of it is hot air and soundbites ! The excuse trotted out every time is to throw Kenny Cameron or others under the bus and blame the previous board. Lest we forget, this is a previous board our current chairman was part of !   KC was ultimately responsible for some of the premiership contracts we were weighed down by and for not sacking RF sooner, but as much as we have had to deal with that, it cannot keep being the excuse. The last set of accounts were so worrying that they have a warning about insolvency in them for the first time in 25 years. Part of that is relegation and lower revenue, but not all of it. If you think the last two years have been filled with good decisions then you are sticking your head as far in the sand as you have often accused others of doing. Take a peek behind the facade ! 

 

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2 hours ago, Scotty said:

This would be the same guy who literally gave away 700,000 shares via the Trust and put them under the direct control of the current group running the club? The same guy who has been pumping money into the club since the early 2000s to keep us afloat, and who has also (quietly) continued to do the same over the last couple of years despite having no direct involvement with the club or any position or representation on the board? A man who also saw a fairly simple agreement to hand over ownership of the two stands back to the club morph into a tome that Tolstoy would have been proud of which achieved the same result but ultimately cost us more, and a man who so clearly wants control that he now only has a personal shareholding of just over 50,000 shares (50,250 to be exact) instead of the 750,250 he could have retained. 

David Sutherland may be many things Johndo, and at times you can certainly question or wonder about motives, I know I have over the years, especially when there seemed to be that childish spat with AS but without his cash, his interest, and his stewardship we would not have a club to be talking about. That is a fact regardless of your personal opinion of him. The current board are not being held back by him, they are being kept afloat ! With all due respect to the current board, they seem to talk a good game, but you just need to read comments about hospitality, about season tickets, about budgets, read the chairman's own statements and promises on ICTFC.com, or talk to the multitude of people who have left, are leaving, or have "retired" to see that much of it is hot air and soundbites ! The excuse trotted out every time is to throw Kenny Cameron or others under the bus and blame the previous board. Lest we forget, this is a previous board our current chairman was part of !   KC was ultimately responsible for some of the premiership contracts we were weighed down by and for not sacking RF sooner, but as much as we have had to deal with that, it cannot keep being the excuse. The last set of accounts were so worrying that they have a warning about insolvency in them for the first time in 25 years. Part of that is relegation and lower revenue, but not all of it. If you think the last two years have been filled with good decisions then you are sticking your head as far in the sand as you have often accused others of doing. Take a peek behind the facade ! 

 

Absolutely agree. The real pity is that neither he or Alan Savage could put aside their respective egos and work together constructively and in colaberation . Had that been the case, I doubt we would be in the position we are in today.

However, had it not been for David Sutherland's contributions I doubt we would be watching full time football at all.

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The clown who thought it'd be a good idea to appoint Foran and keep him all season is completely to blame for our club been in dire straits! Tho tbf a lot of u guys on here were insanely calling for yogis head and euphoric when an untried manager got the job moral of the story careful what u wish for eh

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The savior and "puppet / muppet master" gets fed up and before repercussions from the past can sully the reputation …………………………………………...…………………......……...……….

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Tell u who we need to try and get Aichieson from Celtic and Zanatta from hearts on loan for nxt season ! And have a look at who'll be freed by Falkirk when they're relegated Paton would be a decent player for us improvement on Trafford!

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7 hours ago, Scotty said:

David Sutherland may be many things Johndo, and at times you can certainly question or wonder about motives, I know I have over the years, especially when there seemed to be that childish spat with AS but without his cash, his interest, and his stewardship we would not have a club to be talking about. That is a fact regardless of your personal opinion of him. 

 

I'm making just my second contribution here in a year of self-imposed purdah because I feel strongly enough about this to want to back up Scotty's effort to put the record straight about David Sutherland. Sutherland's, and hence Tulloch's involvement with the club began right at the start of 2000 and their contributions have AT LEAST amounted to the following:-

* When the club's debt hit around 2.3M late in 1999 DS, as Tulloch Chairman, arranged for the company to spirit that debt away; otherwise Administration or worse would have been inevitable. That happened in conjunction with the stadium and lease transferring by a complex route to Tulloch. These have recently been largely gifted back  to the club  to the its great additional benefit. Coincidentally the book value of that gift is also quoted as 2.3M so that huge debt has gone at the expense only of Tulloch retaining much of the car park.

* In order to ensure working capital to enable progress to the SPL in 2004, Tulloch/Sutherland also initially put in 0.5M, and other supplements made them the owners of these 729,500 shares which were more recently donated back to the ICT Trust. Tulloch has therefore voluntarily relinquished its former position as largest shareholder.

* In order to ensure an escape from an unsustainable lease at Pittodrie in 2004/05, Tulloch/Sutherland ensured that funding was put in place for the North and South stands and built these themselves, within the required very tight 7 week timescale. These stands are also part of that gift back to the club. Surely even the hungriest of supporters could not expect a totally free lunch from this, so there was indeed a rent involved.

* There also were various other day to day assistances such as the free secondment of Tulloch staff to work at the club which constitute a further benefit.

* In recent years the club's need for its expenditure vastly to exceed its earnings has been largely sustained by loans and donations from wealthy individuals with its best interests at heart - including David Sutherland.

It is estimated that Tulloch's investment, instigated and implemented by David Sutherland has, over the years, come to approaching 6 million, before you include his recent personal donations. It's all very well for Inverness fans to point to Roy MacGregor as a major benefactor of Ross County but it always seems to be forgotten that ICT has also benefited in a major way from handouts from interested parties, principally Tulloch. Without these the club would at best have been playing part time football for years with never a sniff of the SPL, Europe or the Scottish Cup... or at worst gone into liquidation at some point during 2000 or 2001.

The biggest irony of all, however, is that on the one hand there seems to be this expectation within football that wealthy individuals will bankroll the game's economics of the madhouse... but on the other, the far too frequent vilification of these individuals for their contributions is likely to act as a major disincentive to others to follow suit.

Talking about kicking a gift horse in the mouth.....                            Over and out.

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8 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

I'm making just my second contribution here in a year of self-imposed purdah because I feel strongly enough about this to want to back up Scotty's effort to put the record straight about David Sutherland. Sutherland's, and hence Tulloch's involvement with the club began right at the start of 2000 and their contributions have AT LEAST amounted to the following:-

* When the club's debt hit around 2.3M late in 1999 DS, as Tulloch Chairman, arranged for the company to spirit that debt away; otherwise Administration or worse would have been inevitable. That happened in conjunction with the stadium and lease transferring by a complex route to Tulloch. These have recently been largely gifted back  to the club  to the its great additional benefit. Coincidentally the book value of that gift is also quoted as 2.3M so that huge debt has gone at the expense only of Tulloch retaining much of the car park.

* In order to ensure working capital to enable progress to the SPL in 2004, Tulloch/Sutherland also initially put in 0.5M, and other supplements made them the owners of these 729,500 shares which were more recently donated back to the ICT Trust. Tulloch has therefore voluntarily relinquished its former position as largest shareholder.

* In order to ensure an escape from an unsustainable lease at Pittodrie in 2004/05, Tulloch/Sutherland ensured that funding was put in place for the North and South stands and built these themselves, within the required very tight 7 week timescale. These stands are also part of that gift back to the club. Surely even the hungriest of supporters could not expect a totally free lunch from this, so there was indeed a rent involved.

* There also were various other day to day assistances such as the free secondment of Tulloch staff to work at the club which constitute a further benefit.

* In recent years the club's need for its expenditure vastly to exceed its earnings has been largely sustained by loans and donations from wealthy individuals with its best interests at heart - including David Sutherland.

It is estimated that Tulloch's investment, instigated and implemented by David Sutherland has, over the years, come to approaching 6 million, before you include his recent personal donations. It's all very well for Inverness fans to point to Roy MacGregor as a major benefactor of Ross County but it always seems to be forgotten that ICT has also benefited in a major way from handouts from interested parties, principally Tulloch. Without these the club would at best have been playing part time football for years with never a sniff of the SPL, Europe or the Scottish Cup... or at worst gone into liquidation at some point during 2000 or 2001.

The biggest irony of all, however, is that on the one hand there seems to be this expectation within football that wealthy individuals will bankroll the game's economics of the madhouse... but on the other, the far too frequent vilification of these individuals for their contributions is likely to act as a major disincentive to others to follow suit.

Talking about kicking a gift horse in the mouth.....                            Over and out.

A rare but very welcome intervention.

Were it not for the timely intervention of David Sutherland the seminal event of 1999 would not have been our famous victory at Parkhead but our administration or, quite possibly, liquidation.

Before he came in we were carrying a debt more than twice our annual turnover and the bank had run out of patience.

He laid the foundations for a decade and a half spent mainly in the black and mainly in the top flight. He did make mistakes but who doesn't. We have much to be thankful to him for.

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