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2 hours ago, RiG said:

I was saying to a few folk last night I was torn about wanting to go up. Obviously for the better exposure, ability to attract or retain more / better players and the clear financial benefits you want us to go up.

But on the flip side you have rubbish kick off times, multiple midweek rounds of fixtures and shockingly expensive tickets amongst other things.

Whilst I am disappointed at not going up there is a (very) small part of me that is at ease with the thought of 3 pm games most Saturdays and arguably better away days than some of the matches in the Premiership.

Probably not a view that will be shared by many, especially not the bean counters at the club, but I'm trying to seek out something positive from last night!

Definitely more away days closer for me with us in Championship 

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I have no problem with the last paragraph frankly. How many times have clubs - not just our club - had ridiculous decisions imposed on them or reasonable appeals rejected unless you have one of the la

Wow...what a game! After that first 45minutes, when we were lucky to not be 4 or 5 nil down. As the saying goes though you have to score when you're dominating the game, and St Johnstone didn't score

They’ve made some  shambolic decisions but this must top the lot ……Ok boys you dug in last Fri. with 8 men and came out on top so go out there and show them what you’re capable of .We are all behind y

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Totally agree with RIG. I realise the need for promotion but much prefer the vibe in the Championship. Rooneys celebration when scoring at Caley Stadium was muted and respectful I thought..............no need to keep that up for ever. From somewhere else......is Todorov a decent shout?

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What a rollercoaster of a season. A great start, albeit a bit flattering, a dire middle, then a great finish to make the play offs.

Over the two legs, St Johnstone deserved to win, but it could have been so different had we not lost the second goal or if Doran had pulled one back.

I wanted us to win and get promoted but, being totally honest, I was concerned that we could be the whipping boys next season unless we got our recruitment spot on.

I hope we can use the last two months as a foundation for next season, and strengthen our squad as well as replacing those key players we will be losing (eg Broadfoot, McAlear).

Priorities for me are full backs and creative players who can provide the assists for Mckay and Samuels.

We have a decent nucleus with guys like Ridgers, Deas, Harper, Carson, Allardice, MacGregor, Walsh, Samuels and Mckay under contract, but we may see bids for Deas and MacGregor. If Devine is likely to sign a new contract, that is great news.

We also have promising youngsters in Hyde and Lewis Nicolson who should be ready for more exposure. Both have looked to have potential this season. Hopefully we have them tied up for next season too.

We probably did as well this season as we could have expected, let’s go one better next year (and a cup run of two would be good too).

Thanks to the CTO team for the previews and reports each week: always a great read. 

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3 hours ago, Naelifts said:

Totally agree with RIG. I realise the need for promotion but much prefer the vibe in the Championship. Rooneys celebration when scoring at Caley Stadium was muted and respectful I thought..............no need to keep that up for ever. From somewhere else......is Todorov a decent shout?

Yes I thought his celebration on Friday was low key and assumed it was out of some measure of respect for a former club. The boos he seemed to get last night with every touch of the ball may have encouraged him somewhat to let himself go a bit more. 

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4 hours ago, cif73 said:

Yes I thought his celebration on Friday was low key and assumed it was out of some measure of respect for a former club. The boos he seemed to get last night with every touch of the ball may have encouraged him somewhat to let himself go a bit more. 

I think we all needed some boos after the game!!!

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Rooney was largely muted in his celebrations on Friday but let himself go a lot more on Monday. I've no issue with that in the slightest. Whilst it's a bit like seeing your ex with a new partner you have to deal with it and get on with things.  

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There was however a bizarre moment where he came over to the ICT supporters after the game almost to apologise or wish us well or something (perhaps encouraged by a couple of fans in the crowd) but a lot of folk weren't happy with this and, after a lot of abuse, Rooney was ultimately ushered away by a Saint Johnstone club official.

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20 hours ago, old caley girl said:

That group is actually quite menacing? All dressed in black with 2 of the flares ( as you can see actual flares) thrown at stewards. Then covered up their faces with the flags pretty sharpish too. 

I don't know if it was the fact this game felt so much but the normal friendly ST J/ICT atmosphere wasn't there. 

 

18 hours ago, Kingsmills said:

Absolute idiots. Silly young boys demonstrating that they have a lot of growing up still to do.

If I was a St Johnstone fan I would have been cringing with embarrassment at these thoroughly juvenile but still, for some, very intimidating antics.

Those young FCU lads were my kids' highlight of the whole evening! 🤣 They were fascinated by them and daughter hasn't stopped watching clips of them on the the youtube footy adventures channel since ! 😆

I think anything that adds to the atmosphere and encourages more young fans to attend is a good thing.

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22 minutes ago, RednBlackComeback said:

 

Those young FCU lads were my kids' highlight of the whole evening! 🤣 They were fascinated by them and daughter hasn't stopped watching clips of them on the the youtube footy adventures channel since ! 😆

I think anything that adds to the atmosphere and encourages more young fans to attend is a good thing.

I have to disagree. Anything that leaves a significant number of other fans uncomfortable or even frightened can never be a good thing.

Football needs to be welcoming and inclusive to all and conduct like this, even if it does entertain and amuse some people ought not to be condoned.

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16 minutes ago, Kingsmills said:

I have to disagree. Anything that leaves a significant number of other fans uncomfortable or even frightened can never be a good thing.

Football needs to be welcoming and inclusive to all and conduct like this, even if it does entertain and amuse some people ought not to be condoned.

It's not going away any time soon. Maybe football needs to try to find a way to accommodate fans who enjoy this part of supporting their team and work with all supporters to allow displays to be performed at games that keeps everyone safe and happy?

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It's only seen as frightening and uncomfortable because that's the image we portray of them in the media and via fuddy duddies on forums.

Create the space to allow it in a manner which poses no risk to others and let them get on with it; after all, it's not like our stadiums are so rammed we can't accommodate it.  I think it was Scotty I've seen talking about his happening in Canada?

If we could also have mixed family areas, that would be great.  Stop telling each new generation they are animals that can't be trusted to sit next to opposition fans.  People aren't born to misbehave, but if we keep telling them that it's what is expected, they will soon conform.  Let's put wheels in motion on all sides to put an end to that in football and enjoy mixed crowds like we see in so many other sports around the world.

 

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2 hours ago, STFU said:

It's only seen as frightening and uncomfortable because that's the image we portray of them in the media and via fuddy duddies on forums.

Create the space to allow it in a manner which poses no risk to others and let them get on with it; after all, it's not like our stadiums are so rammed we can't accommodate it.  I think it was Scotty I've seen talking about his happening in Canada?

If we could also have mixed family areas, that would be great.  Stop telling each new generation they are animals that can't be trusted to sit next to opposition fans.  People aren't born to misbehave, but if we keep telling them that it's what is expected, they will soon conform.  Let's put wheels in motion on all sides to put an end to that in football and enjoy mixed crowds like we see in so many other sports around the world.

 

Good post.  I'm not a fan of flares myself but they are commonplace on the continent and rarely cause a problem.  Problems happen when we get too restrictive on what folk can do and and what you can't.  Flares can cause injury if thrown and can disrupt games if thrown onto the pitch. If you ban flares, then when people defy the ban by lighting flares then they are more likely to also throw them - it minimises the chance of them being caught literally red handed.  Rather than ban flares, far better to allow them in specific areas of the ground on the understanding that they won't be thrown.

I like the idea of mixed family areas as a first step to having mixed crowds as they do in other sports.  As many rugby fans will tell you, the craic with fans of the opposing team can add significantly to the enjoyment of the occasion.

We are all different and like different ways of watching the game.  Grounds should cater to that, but with the best will in the world, clubs are constrained by the legislation.  Obviously the Hillsborough tragedy was awful and avoiding any chance of a repetition was a priority, but I think the legislative response has been OTT. It has resulted in a one size fits all type of accommodation which has far less appeal to youngsters than the large open terracing of old.  Football at our level needs to attract the younger generation if it is to survive.  Mixed family area would be a great way to introduce the younger children to the game.  Open terracing would allow the older children to move about a bit and have a bit of fun and socialising meaning they would enjoy the occasion even when the game was rubbish.  I'd go for the open terracing myself as long as I had a safety railing to lean against and a roof over my head.  That can all be done and be done safely.  It is well beyond time that the powers that be listened to what the fans want and got the legislation changed.

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5 hours ago, RiG said:

It's not going away any time soon. Maybe football needs to try to find a way to accommodate fans who enjoy this part of supporting their team and work with all supporters to allow displays to be performed at games that keeps everyone safe and happy?

I'm happy to discuss smoke bomb areas but not a fan of flares especially given 2 of them were chucked at the stewards. Like throwing fire at them? 

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1 hour ago, DoofersDad said:

Good post.  I'm not a fan of flares myself but they are commonplace on the continent and rarely cause a problem.  Problems happen when we get too restrictive on what folk can do and and what you can't.  Flares can cause injury if thrown and can disrupt games if thrown onto the pitch. If you ban flares, then when people defy the ban by lighting flares then they are more likely to also throw them - it minimises the chance of them being caught literally red handed.  Rather than ban flares, far better to allow them in specific areas of the ground on the understanding that they won't be thrown.

I like the idea of mixed family areas as a first step to having mixed crowds as they do in other sports.  As many rugby fans will tell you, the craic with fans of the opposing team can add significantly to the enjoyment of the occasion.

We are all different and like different ways of watching the game.  Grounds should cater to that, but with the best will in the world, clubs are constrained by the legislation.  Obviously the Hillsborough tragedy was awful and avoiding any chance of a repetition was a priority, but I think the legislative response has been OTT. It has resulted in a one size fits all type of accommodation which has far less appeal to youngsters than the large open terracing of old.  Football at our level needs to attract the younger generation if it is to survive.  Mixed family area would be a great way to introduce the younger children to the game.  Open terracing would allow the older children to move about a bit and have a bit of fun and socialising meaning they would enjoy the occasion even when the game was rubbish.  I'd go for the open terracing myself as long as I had a safety railing to lean against and a roof over my head.  That can all be done and be done safely.  It is well beyond time that the powers that be listened to what the fans want and got the legislation changed.

I used to bring flares into football grounds week after week in the 1970s but, as far as I am aware  the only crimes I was comiting were against fashion and good taste.

Back in the days when the circumstances of my trouser bottoms was twice that of my waist in stark contrast to the relative proportions these days.

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7 hours ago, STFU said:

Create the space to allow it in a manner which poses no risk to others and let them get on with it; after all, it's not like our stadiums are so rammed we can't accommodate it.  I think it was Scotty I've seen talking about his happening in Canada?

Yup. Toronto FC faced the same problems in the early years ... our support was young and rambunctious and flares were often smuggled into the stadium. These were road flares so not safe at all, burning at some ridiculous temperature and then having to be thrown onto the pitch (a plastic one in our first season, replaced by grass in season 2 thankfully) when they literally got too hot to handle. Lots of reports of people getting scalding residue on them as they flew through the air (the flares not the fans) and on one occasion it burned a hole in a small section of the plastic pitch that cost about $40K to replace. It was also very acrid and horrible in your lungs and I do recall having to go for a few glasses of medicinal whisky on one particular occasion. 

Took a few years, but in the end the club actually got regular communication going with all supporters groups in our 'south end' and established a lot of common sense stuff including the use of flags, smoke, drums, etc. There are signs around now that note its a supporters section so if you are offended by standing or flags or other things that might affect your viewing, then its too bad! The club also paid for nominated people to go on H&S course so they could safely let off controlled smoke (looks like flares but not burning at such a high temperature or carbonising your lungs). Safety protocols are in place, sand is present for extinguishing etc and the 'flares' are approved for use in this environment.  

Kenny Cameron did try to get the stewards to ease up on the younger fans a few years ago, but I think there is a real chance of sustaining that if we encourage the club to work with the section 94 guys to enhance the atmosphere ... but its a two-way street. As one specific supporters group at TFC found out, if you take a mile when offered an inch then you face consequences. They broke the agreed rules a fair bit and got a lot of repercussions that somewhat filtered to the other groups but overall amongst the club and most groups its a pretty healthy relationship. They even let the groups manage the season ticket relocations in our sections, ensuring that the ticket holders are genuine members of each supporters group before approving the request ...   

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Rambunctious!

Been reading a dictionary Scotty? Not a word seen every day!!

Lol!!

 

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8 hours ago, STFU said:

It's only seen as frightening and uncomfortable because that's the image we portray of them in the media and via fuddy duddies on forums.

Create the space to allow it in a manner which poses no risk to others and let them get on with it; after all, it's not like our stadiums are so rammed we can't accommodate it.  I think it was Scotty I've seen talking about his happening in Canada?

If we could also have mixed family areas, that would be great.  Stop telling each new generation they are animals that can't be trusted to sit next to opposition fans.  People aren't born to misbehave, but if we keep telling them that it's what is expected, they will soon conform.  Let's put wheels in motion on all sides to put an end to that in football and enjoy mixed crowds like we see in so many other sports around the world.

 

I say, I couldn't possibly sit amongst R##s C##nty fans. Them clapping with their six fingered webbed hands would deafen me with 5 minutes.

Eh what? 🧐 

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4 hours ago, old caley girl said:

Do you mean smoke bombs or flares?

What’s the difference?  I know that when one of whichever it was was set off downwind of us, it was so choking we used our  face masks to breathe until it cleared.  Not nice for anyone with a bad chest or asthma.  

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56 minutes ago, lizi said:

What’s the difference?  I know that when one of whichever it was was set off downwind of us, it was so choking we used our  face masks to breathe until it cleared.  Not nice for anyone with a bad chest or asthma.  

Both are a menace.

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5 minutes ago, Kingsmills said:

Both are a menace.

Maybe? But the youngsters do seem to be winning the smoke bomb war and want their football different to us? I do think a conversation could be had to see if anyway to accommodate safely in a certain area? 

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1 hour ago, lizi said:

What’s the difference?  I know that when one of whichever it was was set off downwind of us, it was so choking we used our  face masks to breathe until it cleared.  Not nice for anyone with a bad chest or asthma.  

The difference is a naked flame!! Saw 2 flares chucked at stewards by St J fans. No way they should be allowed imho

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1 hour ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

Flares are an absolute bugger if you have short legs and minimal platform shoes.

That'll be you then 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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