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I would start with the same team. Some of them will know they let themselves down on Sunday and wil be out to redeem themselves. There may have been a bit of complacency after an early goal and they would not have expected St Mirren to play so well. There will be no complaceny tomorrow.

But tactically we have to be more positive. Against St Mirren we were usually outnumbered going forward and Rooney in particular never found any space. We have players who can pass - so lets pass it. Far too often it was the old hoof ball tactic on Sunday and with us outnumbered by a big defence, that was never going to work.

If it ain't working then the changes need to come sooner. Clearly TB has done a great job since he's been here but he's prone to making wrong decisions around substitutions. We have options available, so let's use them. It was too little too late and on Sunday we need to give the likes of Sanchez and Blumenshtein the opportunity to show what they can do.

I am sick and tired of these inept Scottish officials and I really wish they would f**k off. Craig Thompson was atrocious as per usual today best highlighted by a shocking two footed lunge on Rooney by Cregg which warranted a straight red but for some reason he was only booked. Big penalty shout at the end which went ignored as well. Looked a good claim to me in the North Stand.

I thought the ref had a poor one as well with far too much holding and shirt pulling on Rooney going unpunished. I don't know if Rooney got a new fragrenced body spray for Christmas but the defenders couldn't keep their hands off him. Perhaps Adam should refrain from showering again till after Wednesday night - that might keep the Killie defenders at arms length.

As for the penalty, it was a clear handball but the ref was unsighted and couldn't have given it.

We didn't particularly miss Hayes yesterday - we were poor because too many of the more senior players were poor and the tactics were poor. Sutherland, who came in instead was probably our best outfield player. We played better against Hearts when Hayes was playing but he had a very poor game and contributed little. We have enough good players in the squad - we just need enough of them to be on their game at the same time.

Pass marks to Esson and the youngsters Shinnie, Ross and Sutherland.

Particular criticism to Foran who did very little and seemed to provide no leadership at all. The quickest he moved all afternoon was when he was taken off.

Criticism to Butcher as well. The team played far too deep and the the substitions were too little too late.

A top 6 finish seems unlikely on this showing. We have got to start winning this type of match.

Who gave the OP a red dot? The post is a fine sentiment and it's the season of goodwill! I've given the OP a green dot to even things up.

As for what has done it for me, I think it is simply being with family and speaking on the phone to those you are unable to be with.

Starchief, what are the other members of the SSP supposed to do? Stay loyal to Sheridan by perjuring themselves and telling lies in the hope that Sheridan gets off? Assuming Sheridan is telling porkies then it is he and he alone who is responsible for the demise of the SSP and the rest can only try and maintain their personal integrity by telling the truth.

Even if the NOTW was telling the most outrageous lies about Sheridan, his best course of action would have been simply to ignore it and stick to fighting for the political issues he claims to believe in. There would have been some initial publicity and then it would have simply died down. Win or lose, sueing the NOTW was always going to create a lot of publicity and bring out detail Sheridan would want hidden. And win or lose, a high profile court case was always going to take him away from the the polictical fight and destroy the credibility of the SSP.

Sheridan simply saw the opportunity to screw some money out of the NOTW and by persuing it he totally betrayed his party and left wing politics in general. Colin Fox, Rosie Kane and the others are the victims here because Sheridan's greed and his arogance in thinking he could get away with it have destroyed their political careers and the political movement they believe in. It is Sheridan who is Murdoch's little helper and every time Sheridan vents his spleen against Murdoch, all Murdoch will see is dollar signs.

There was just the one lad who had clearly been a tad heavy on the heavy or whatever his tipple was and he let himself, his mates and his team down. I commented on another thread about how good it was to see folk who are new to ICT taking their youngsters to the game and it is precisely this sort of behaviour that will stop people like that coming back.

I understand top six's point that there are more uplifting things to talk about but there are plenty other threads on that. Ironically, it is his very point that makes this thread so valid. On a day when the team completed the quite stunning acheivement of going through 2010 unbeaten away from home in the league, we have someone in our midst who decides to spend his time shouting foul mouthed abuse at Hearts fans and slagging off our highly respected captain, but who doesn't join in the fantastic, almost constant supportive and good humoured chanting that others close by were. I think that is worthy of a thread. If you can't give support to your team on such a historic day then when can you!

Those sitting a little further away would have been excused for thinking it was Neil Lennon sitting there on his day off

I was sitting very near the top left corner of the stand at tynecastle and was very much enjoying my 1st away game this season. However the whole experience was marred by a few ICT fans who seemed only happy if they were causing trouble and abusing people. The main offender was constantly using the "c" word and hurling abuse towards the hearts fans that were sitting at the far right corner of the main stand (a bit of fun banter is good but this was verbal abuse) He then started to slag off most of the ICT by saying there were all "donuts" and that foran has no place in the side (i think we know who the donut is and it aint foran). Then, this lad and his mate started to have a go at the fans in front of me because they were disagreing with there "donut" remark about foran saying he is a star player for ICT. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but when you start swearing to people and basically treatening them that they are wrong is disgracefull. I would be happy never to see these people at an ICT game again, your support is not welcome!!!

Sorry, Son. I promise I'll behave better next time.

The success seems to be bringing in folk who maybe haven't taken a great interest in in ICT up till now. Yesterday after a stirring 10 minute rendition of "Caleyaway with Terry and Mo" had ended, a young lad behind me asked his Dad who Terry and Mo were. Dad replied that "Terry" was Terry Butcher the manager and "Mo" was Mo Johnston, his assistant. A wee bit to learn, perhaps but fair play to him, he was there and joining in some of the singing too.

Continued success can only encourage more folk to come to matches and hopefully the enthusiasm and good humour of (most of) the fans will encourgage them to keep coming. I have to confess that it is a long time since I have been to an away league match (apart from County) and I thoroughly enjoyed the day out. I must do it more often!

Whilst this is a great acheivement and is getting some media attention, it really is not getting enough. It is actually a quite STUNNING achievement. As the year has progressed and there was talk first of going 12 months unbeaten and then a full calender year this must have placed tremendous pressure on the players. Yet in the last few weeks they have drawn away against the top 3 teams in the country.

With apologies if this has been asked and communicated before but does anyone know when any team acheived this before and in particular when any team outside of the old firm has acheived that? It must be a very rare acheivement indeed. Of course, the run will have to end soon and will probably end against one of the poorer terams in a match we dominate. But end it will, so enjoy the moment!

Well done Terry and Mo, and everybody else involved. We're all so proud of you!

We certainly rode our luck against a very good Hearts side. Wow, the young lad Templeton is some player! It was a shame Hayes was so out of sorts because there was space for him with Hearts pressing all the time. However, for all Hearts effort (and Jeffries was very pleased with their performance) the stats showed we had more shots on target. This demonstrates how defensively we are solid whilst creating chances up front. We will play worse than that and win against poorer sides than Hearts.

Oh, and fair play to Murray for being big enough to apologise.

Ryan Esson saved his bacon by saving the penalty.

What if Miller had scored? Would Murray then have said : Sorry boys - I cost you a couple of points there. Nothing we can do about it now, I'm afraid.

No idea. Fact is that Miller didn't score and Murray did apologise. We can only pass comment on that and not what he might or might not have said if something different had happened.

The refs just get a quick look in the heat of the moment whilst trying to keep an awareness of other things going on around them. Inevitably they get some things wrong and miss other things. We have to accept that. What we don't have to accept is the response of the managers of the clubs. They will analyse footage of the games in some detail and Walter Smith will be well aware that Beatie cheated last week. So what is he doing about it? Patting the lad on the back, probably.

Whilst referees should take tough action when they are sure players have dived, if this kind of cheating is to be stamped out it requires action from the clubs. Managers should be big enough to publicly state they will not tolerate this kind of behaviour and impose bans themselves. Some may argue that managers won't do that because it may jeopardise the teams chances - but teams will ban players for breaches of internal discipline. So apparently it's OK to cheat but not to break a club rule.

In fact, a public stance condemning cheating and banning players who do, may work out in their favour in the long run. If the refs know that diving is not tolerated by the clubs then they just may be more inclined to give players from those clubs the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, and fair play to Murray for being big enough to apologise.

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best staircase ever

Scary enough walking on that track but imagine what it must have been like to construct it!

Maybe Brown's move to Aberdeen was a smart move after all!

Gentlemen, are you going to the Hearts match at the weekend or, as it is the last Saturday before Christmas, has she who has to be obeyed decreed that Christmas shopping is the order of the day? If it is the latter, don't worry, there is an alternative if you can manage to be sufficiently unhelpful and irritating - and let's face it, most of us can.

Look out for this or similar signs - in fact, any pub will do.

Read in the P&J that TB is the 4th longest serving manager in the SPL - and he's not been here 2 years. Reid is the longest serving. This manager merry-go-round is not good for the game.

Go for it. You know it makes sense.

Even if the match is off there will be plenty of entertainment options in the city which, to be honest, you would probably enjoy more than watching a Rooney hatrick.

Another strange one. Blackburn are a team who have consistently performed at a higher level than you would expect for a town of that size. Blackburn had a good season last year and are mid table this year so I wonder just what the new owners expect. I thought Allardyce was the right man for the job and just like Pardew at Newcastle, the new manager is going to have to do a very good job indeed to convince the fans that he is the right man for the job.

I think they are all stars, but now that Barrowman has gone I don't really have a favourite.

I'll bet the Irish guys who shook hands with him after the match were pleased to hear about this!

Terry has been known not to be honest with refs himself in the past. For example

"Honest ref, I'm fine. It's just a little nick!"

Craigy, you have used the term "honest mistakes" in your thread title and then in your post imply that the referee yesterday gave the penalty to Rangers because he's a Rangers fan and wants to see then in the Champion's league! How on earth do you expect anybody to take you seriously? How about using your own forum to suggest your obnoxious manager treats referees with a bit more respect instead of coming on here to have a dig at Rangers.

It has been a bit of a strange one this week. It is the people who have quite a distance to travel or who, like me, live in a rural setting who have been in at work early whilst folk in the town have been having a lot of problems. Some of them have said it would have been quicker walking to which I reply "why didn't you, then?". But to be fair, they may not have realised the problems they faced - but what ever we have here, it is worse further South.

There was an interesting comment on the radio this morning from a guy complaining about all the problems caused by cars parked at the side of the road because the owner can't be *rsed to clear their driveways. (that's not actually the phrase that was used). This means that roads which normally would have traffic flowing in both directions can only accomodate single file traffic as they weave in and out between cars on either side of the road. How inconsiderate and lazy can people be? When I become First Minister I pledge to introduce a law requiring able bodied people to ensure their cars are kept on their driveways or in their garages if they have one. If they behave in this antisocial way they would be ordered to clear their drive before then being required to clear the driveways of the elderly and disabled and then clearing the pavements.

Unbelievable decision making from Ashleigh, whats behind the thinking that sacks a manager who has the team in a more than acceptable position,costing far less than the new incumbent,who has a poor record at the top level and giving him a ludicrous contract that every man and his dog can see is not in the best interests of the club.....

Oh, wait a minute

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Nice one.

A green dot for being able to laugh at your own situation - which, actually, is not as bad as it ought to be