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I suggest your memory is slightly skewed then.
Tories were in power from 70 till 74, a period when our National Debt to GDP was in excess of what it is now (70% at one point and over 60% when passed to Labour)), they were then in power from 79 till 97 and despite getting the figure down to under 30% in the early 90's they handed it over to Labour in 97 at 45%...not far off what it is at the moment. Labour then managed to take the figure below 30% again and had held it below 40% (the level considered "safe") until the chit hit the fan with the global economy last year.
The truth of the matter is that none of of them are any better than the other and it wouldn't have mattered a jot who was in power at the moment, things would have panned out much the same.
ok CaleyD, perhaps I didn't put it very well. The point I was trying to make was that I seem to remember when inflation was in excess of 20% and I think Labour were in power then.
By the way, I have no time for either Tory or Labour Party incase you think otherwise.
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The Daily Mail - no surprise! Doesn't take in to account the value of the shares that part ownership gives and billions of pounds of assets the banks have. The best long-term investment anyone could make at this time is in the banks. Share price very low and what goes down...!
<rant>What really annoys me though is what's going to happen at the next election. The whole global climate cannot be discounted but there's an added effect of Brown's management of the economy. So what will people do at the next election? Vote Tory, yet it was Tory policies Gordon was following! Does anyone really believe the Tories would have regulated more, increased interest rates, denied more people the opportunity to buy their house etc etc??!! It's as bad as the people in the last election that voted Tory as they were anti the Iraq war. The Conservatives voted for the war!
In some ways, it's appropriate that this is on a football forum as that's how politics is treated. Socialists are still voting Labour. One-nation Europhiles are still voting Tory. Yet, these parties have changed dramatically from what they were but they're getting votes based on tradition rather than actuality. How about next election people look at what the parties will be doing and putting the 'X' in the box based on that rather than supporting a party. Isn't the future of the country more important than that?
And if you don't know who that should be - try this quiz (don't try to guess 'your' parties stance - answer honestly and with an open mind - you may find that you don't actually agree with everything 'your' party stands for)
http://www.activehistory.co.uk/Miscellaneo...05/frameset.htm
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The way I remember it Starchief - the last time that Labour were in power they made a right f**kup of the economy then the Tories were elected, they sorted out the economy and along came Labour again, took over Tory policies (as you rightly said) and managed to f*** it up again.
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In response to a couple of comments from Absent Friend, first of all I don't see this as a UK problem, so I can't blame Gordon for that, it's obvious that it's a global problem, but should Gordon be blamed for what's gone on it the UK.
I think that's obvious too, he's where he wanted to be, nay begged to be for years, buT even before he was the PM he was responsible for what was going on in Banking, anyone worth their salt would have seen this coming a mile off.
So in my book Gordon was either asleep at the switch, or he hoped that it would all go away, or wasn't up to the job.
Before anyone gets the idea that I think this is all down to "New Labour" that's not how I see it, even though I can't stand most of the b*stards due to being "Old Labour" myself, I doubt that ANY other party would have done much better, it isn't a matter of Left Wing vs Right wing, far as I'm concerned both ships are over crewed by gobshytes.
The blame lays more on us, we voted them in, one gobshyte after another, it came to the point where constituents had little if any say in who would represent {say} Wigan or Bolton, or maybe Inverness.
When the parties start parachuting their choice rather than your choice you're likely to get some ambitious b*stard who don't give a damn for the place he's supposed to represent, They are simply in it for what they can get for themselves, not what they can do for you. But folks have tolerated this for at least 30 years, voting {as they say in Wigan} for a "pig on a wall, long as it's wearing a red/Labour tie".
The result of this is, there's a stampede to join the Labour Party {et-al} by folks motivated by greed and selfish ambition, so it's our fault for either not caring or noticing what was going on.
Many of those who have slithered their way aboard the Westminster gravy train in the last 30-40 years are amongst the most arrogant imbeciles the nation has ever seen, it would be hard to assemble a bigger bunch of crooks.
Fair enough they aren't all bad, but if it was a bunch of grapes you were looking at rather than a bunch of MP's, Ministers, Lords and Knights of the Realm, you'd bin the fekkin lot, you certainly wouldn't be paying for them.
The root cause of the problem is us, we allowed this to happen, the blame is ours, but it's not just us...
The same thing has been going on in the US, how the b*llocks did folks vote in George Bush and then his clone !!!
It's hard to find a country where Democracy hasn't been hijacked by folks with their own agenda's {rather than yours}, or incompetent b*stards who can't get their heads deep enough into the trough of taxpayers money.
The thing is, when it's a calm sea that we're sailing through any old gobshyte at the helm will do, and when we look at the size of the ship we fool ourselves into believing "they must know what they are doing". Most of them do know what they're doing alright, thieving money hand over fist, for houses they don't actually need or use, or over 500 quid a day that the Lords claim in "expenses" alone !!!
Although it's a global problem if we had a competent leader we might have had another option rather than following all the other lemmings over the cliff. But all Gordon can come up with is, "it's not my fault, it's a global problem", yea but, no but , Gordon, FFS we are paying you the big money, you bust a gut to get the job, so steer us clear of the fekkin' rocks, {some chance hey}...
Canada may be fairing better than some, but I can't claim {nor would I dream of claiming} that our gobshytes are better than the global gobshytes. The Canadian economy is supported by the Canadian $ being a petro $, fair enough oil is in the bucket rather than the barrel at the moment, but Canada is finding more oil at a time when the North Sea is running out, so Canada will fair better than the UK in the long term, but by chance rather than political savvy.
What I think we should be looking at is, where do "we" think this is going, how long do you think these 1% interest rates will last, is it the way out of this recession/depression, or is it the final staggering steps before the leader of the lemmings takes us all over the cliffs ?
Good post Bob. This is exactly what has been happening for the last 30-40 years. You have put it more elloquently than I could ever have managed!
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This whole bonus argument is just what the Government needs. They need to keep this going as long as they can to ensure the public loses sight of one of the worst administrations in a long time, looks like we are well on the way to 1929.
How come Gordon let the banks get away with this for so long? remind me, was he doing before becoming the PM !
Brown says we don't reward failure, how does the man keep his face straight. I can only presume then that Gordon and his cronnies will be taking a pay cut for the gross incompetence we've witnessed in the last twelve months, rather than being found with their hands in the till time and again, taking expenses for houses etc they aren't living in.
It looks like the Bankers have us over a barrel, all we can do is hope they use plenty of KY while we take a good shafting.
I can't wait for an election to be called.
Even if an election was called tomorrow you would still have stupid b@stards trying to vote Labour back in.
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were the buses cancelled as well ?
No idea. But I wasn't going to be sitting on a Number 10 for over 4 hours in each direction not knowing if I was going to get through there or not.
Lame .
How far did you have to travel then numpty?
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Who is all in favour of this!!??
with the climate now changing, may it be worth our beloved moving on with the times.
I know for for a fact that this winter has had its effects on the lower leagues of scotland with most games being posponed the last 5 weeks in the highland league ans has even reached as far as the premiership with fulham.
thoughts?
It would make sense.
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You really think they'll have gone through all the shenanigens of interviewing people like Knox, Butcher etc, etc when all the time they've had a pretty good idea who'd be best placed to take the job on?
Robbo was sitting in the stand on Saturday.... The team might have got an extra buzz if an announcement had been made prior to the start of the match, that he was to be Brewster's successor... wouldn't they have figured that out?
I fear you may be guilty of crediting the board with having more sense than many supporters and posters on here will ever give them credit for.
I'm with you Johnboy, I'd be very surprised if Robbo got the job (unless my contact got it very wrong).
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Robbo, give Sutton the respect the man is due and appoint him Number 2 with CC and Barry as the back room staff......
I don't think it will be Robbo. How About Knox and / or Frail.
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And I broke the news here
A little bit late though Dalneigh! I don't often post but about October time I posted words to the effect that "if ICT are bottom of the league in December then Craig Brewster would no longer be manager with effect from January".
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The world is becoming a hard place to live in. Political correctness has gone mad and racial abuse has reversed. in the wedding scene for Coronation street, which takes place in a real christian church, the producers take the liberty of covering up a cross in case it offends non christians. Sorry but does this action not offend christians. Ethnic persons cannot be called by nicknames but its ok to call me a jock. Dont get me wrong. I totally disagree with using terms in hateful abusive way but the fun is being taken out of living. And the worst thing is the policing of all this is being carried out by the fine upstanding white middle class citizens of the world. The bloody dogodders with too much time on their hands.
You watch Coronation Street Alex? No wonder they've banned you to the North Sea!
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oh my!!!
scottish of course,.....
have you missed me?
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Where have you been FW? Things have been dull since you left!
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Malcolm Thompson: "The players are not negative at all, they are very positive and upbeat." P and J 3rd Jan 09
Craig Brewster: "...when youre on a run of bad games, the confidence is low and its clearly low" BBC 3oth Dec 08
The right hand doesnt know what the left hand is doing
Well spotted, obviously Malkie was just saying what the fans supposedly want to hear.
Has nobody spotted how Malky got it right?......"We have been managing the club as we have been doing from the start of the season". Yes Malky, and that has been the problem all along.
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No way for Dodds. Can't stand him as a pundit. Let alone potential manager and Malpas would be worse than Brewster.
Bruce Rioch, Craig Brown, may'be Paul Lambert. I know his record at Livingston was poor but his record at Wycombe was pritty good.
Really don't want Robbo back. We can't keep going back it is being proved right now. Somone new has to be brought in, someone never associated with us before.
I agree 100%
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There's nothing offensive in what he sung. Whilst we all know which famine is being referred to and who should go home....it is, technically, no more than assumption. What the court has done is say that these words are associated with the Famine Song, and that singing just those words automatically means your agree with and are promoting the rest of the words in the song and the meaning of those words.....it's this second part which is "dangerous" for the courts and what will, IMO, ultimately lead to a successful appeal.
The question is....where do you draw the line? As I highlighted above, God Save the Queen contains a verse which talks about crushing rebellious Scots - surely that's just as bad as telling a few Irish to go home. Also, Flower of Scotland talks about us rising as a Nation once more and sending the English home....much the same sentiment as the words being used by Rangers fans.
Some of the words in the Famine Song (in fact most of them) are disgusting, but these are not the words which the Rangers Fans are singing. Whilst I'm not defending them or saying they should necessarily have the right to sing them, I think that the courts would be setting a very dangerous precedent by allowing this decision to stand on the basis used by the Sheriff, or indeed by reinforcing it in a court of appeal or high court scenario where it would become just that.
The ability to create atmosphere at football has been damaged enough by over zealous and ridiculous court decisions in the past and this decision, if allowed to stand, will mean that people could find themselves lifted for saying/singing/chanting just about anything at a football match if it can somehow be connected to something which might be deemed offensive.
There's nothing offensive in what he sung. Whilst we all know which famine is being referred to and who should go home....it is, technically, no more than assumption. What the court has done is say that these words are associated with the Famine Song, and that singing just those words automatically means your agree with and are promoting the rest of the words in the song and the meaning of those words.....it's this second part which is "dangerous" for the courts and what will, IMO, ultimately lead to a successful appeal.The question is....where do you draw the line? As I highlighted above, God Save the Queen contains a verse which talks about crushing rebellious Scots - surely that's just as bad as telling a few Irish to go home. Also, Flower of Scotland talks about us rising as a Nation once more and sending the English home....much the same sentiment as the words being used by Rangers fans.
Some of the words in the Famine Song (in fact most of them) are disgusting, but these are not the words which the Rangers Fans are singing. Whilst I'm not defending them or saying they should necessarily have the right to sing them, I think that the courts would be setting a very dangerous precedent by allowing this decision to stand on the basis used by the Sheriff, or indeed by reinforcing it in a court of appeal or high court scenario where it would become just that.
The ability to create atmosphere at football has been damaged enough by over zealous and ridiculous court decisions in the past and this decision, if allowed to stand, will mean that people could find themselves lifted for saying/singing/chanting just about anything at a football match if it can somehow be connected to something which might be deemed offensive.
Perhaps the Sherriff was wearing a green and white wig and his name was Seamus O'Flattery.
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This target has clearly been set by the stadium cat.
If ICT are bottom of the league by 31 December Brewster will not be manager, as of January 2009. That is all I am saying on the subject.
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The CROWD at todays game were shocking!!? I have had the misfortune to attend every home game in 2008 and after what we've witnessed its a wonder there is any crowd at all! One inept performance after another, team and tactics (tactics?) varying wildly from one game to the next - I have been supporting football in Inverness regularly for the last 40 years and I can honestly say I have never felt less enthusiasm for going to a home game than i do just now. Considering the high ticket prices and the standard of entertainment on offer its little wonder that the home crowd has been numbed into silence! , have to admit we are a "sing when we're winning" crowd at home, and because that hasnt been happening lately we havn't been singing lol
there's ****-all to sing about. the "football" is attrocious.
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Cant imagine that one going down all that well at Celtic Park!
It may be interesting to see how this goes down at Celtic Park on Saturday, given the strong Irish links of a large slice of the Celtic support.
Antipathy towards the British military establishment on the part of those of an Irish persuasion is, fortunately, receding but has deep historical roots. For instance it was the British Army which put down the 1916 Easter rising with considerable force and which played a large part in its aftermath which in turn led to the War of Independence in the early 20s. The Black and Tans etc from that period were also recruited from ex British World War 1 soldiers. Responsible for, among other things, the Croke Park Massacre, they were hated by the Irish. Indeed the Gaelic Athletic Association (hurling, Gaelic football etc) for decades discouraged its clubs from competing against representatives of the British forces or police and the GAA also for a time banned "British" activities such as rugby. (Now thankfully the Irish play rugby internationals at Croke Park while Lansdowne Road is being redeveloped.)
In World War 2 the Irish Free State maintained complete neutrality and rebuffed an attempt by Winston Churchill to get them involved.
Then, of course, there was the role of the British Army in post 1969 Northern Ireland with Bloody Sunday etc.
It therefore wouldn't surprise me if at least some people with a (non unionist) Irish background didn't have a great deal of sympathy for anything relating to the British Military, irrespective of how fundamentally worthwhile it is.
I read this evening that the Irish celtic supporters association are not too happy with the poppy on the celtic shirts and have released a statment saying so, they were saying a lot of their members have negative views of the british army's operations in Ireland and some lost family or friends as a result
Cant imagine that one going down all that well at Celtic Park!It may be interesting to see how this goes down at Celtic Park on Saturday, given the strong Irish links of a large slice of the Celtic support.
Antipathy towards the British military establishment on the part of those of an Irish persuasion is, fortunately, receding but has deep historical roots. For instance it was the British Army which put down the 1916 Easter rising with considerable force and which played a large part in its aftermath which in turn led to the War of Independence in the early 20s. The Black and Tans etc from that period were also recruited from ex British World War 1 soldiers. Responsible for, among other things, the Croke Park Massacre, they were hated by the Irish. Indeed the Gaelic Athletic Association (hurling, Gaelic football etc) for decades discouraged its clubs from competing against representatives of the British forces or police and the GAA also for a time banned "British" activities such as rugby. (Now thankfully the Irish play rugby internationals at Croke Park while Lansdowne Road is being redeveloped.)
In World War 2 the Irish Free State maintained complete neutrality and rebuffed an attempt by Winston Churchill to get them involved.
Then, of course, there was the role of the British Army in post 1969 Northern Ireland with Bloody Sunday etc.
It therefore wouldn't surprise me if at least some people with a (non unionist) Irish background didn't have a great deal of sympathy for anything relating to the British Military, irrespective of how fundamentally worthwhile it is.
I read this evening that the Irish celtic supporters association are not too happy with the poppy on the celtic shirts and have released a statment saying so, they were saying a lot of their members have negative views of the british army's operations in Ireland and some lost family or friends as a result
It was all one-sided in Ireland then? The British didn't lose servicemen, family and friends?
Wear the poppy with pride.
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Players from every team in the Scottish Premier League are to wear a poppy during match play for the first time.
Cant imagine that one going down all that well at Celtic Park!
Why not? Thousands who followed Celtic made the ultimate sacrifice.
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Strange.. i put my RBS maestro card into a machine in greece and got out Euro's. and they were'nt scottish euros!
Obviously... because we don't have Scottish euros so the machines abroad don't distinguish between Scottish and English plastic cards. Machines in the UK do and are loaded up with Scottish and English notes in separate compartments to respond to Scottish or English cards. The system can be overridden by keying in the code 1707 before making your request for cash.
1707 - nice one Mr Bannerman!
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"I can go to home games when I'm not working"
Are you saying there is soemthing wrong with that.
I would go to away games, but spending nearly ?60 to watch us lose doesn't really appeal to me tbh.
Point 1. My comment wasn't directed at you. It was directed (with a whistley) at the person who doesn't want to spend so much on away games.
Point 2. I have a 220 mile round trip and spend a damn sight more than ?60 to watch us lose at home. But then I'm a supporter regardless.
Maybe so Alex, but not everyone are on Offshore salary.
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That's it - I remember now! That's how I got it confused with Mitchell and Craig!
Was it not a more 'industrial' ironmongers - I seem to remember that they also did tinsmith work, angleiron welding to make frames and key cutting (before keycutting became part of the shoemakers trade!)
Across the road from them was the outside stair that took you up to (??) the restaurant that sat above the curved shop looking down Academy Street or maybe even up to the Carlton lounge/dining room. I was in both of those establishments but do not remember going up that outside steps, maybe the forerunner of Health and Safety was not too happy with tipsy folk sliding down the bannister and closed it.
absent friend, was the restaurant that looked down Academy Street called Stuart's restaurant?
Gordon's Gamble...
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Bob, I've enjoyed the discussion between yourself and CaleyD and although I am not quite as well versed in money matters as either of you I must admit, from past experience, that I am on the same wavelength as yourself. I suggest that CaleyD should take your views on board, you could teach him a thing or two. (No disrespect meant to CD).