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Whislt I believe that the club could have handled it better, I find it hard to believe that if a credit company had not got their payment for 5 months, they would not have contacted the OP. I missed one payment on a loan once (through no fault of my own) and I had the dogs of hell let loose on my arse. Also I'm sure that if the OP had made some sort of gesture towards paying the money owed it could have been sorted amicably without all this anomosity. Whilst the OP is bound to feel hard done by at the time, I'm sure in the cold light of day he will realise that it is actually partly his own fault that this situation has arisen. Check your statements every month and it won't happen, if it does contact the relevent people to sort it. Job done.

Dam, Thank you for your honest reply and please rest assured I would not call you anything as I am as far from being a racist as could possibly be. As a youngster I spent 4 years in South Africa and saw racism at it's worst. I won't go into detail but I hope I never see these things again. During my long time in the forces I did see some racial incidents but have to admit that most of the time it was given and taken as banter. I think when you have so many different races and geographical areas represented together there are bound to be flash points but it also helps you to be more tolerant and understanding of other cultures. I think too many people throw out remarks without thinking first. They think they are big and clever but in fact they are small minded and insignificant. They don't seem to realise the hurt they cause, or just don't care. To your point on the English attitude you encountered, I'm sure there are just as many English who dislike the Scottish as visa versa but niether of them are worth worrying about. Just rise above it and prove that you are worth more than the small minded idiots. Oh and by the way, next time I'm down Academy street and see some drunk scottish bloke staggering around, I'll collect that pint.

Best: Santiago Bernabeu. Real Madrid vs Valencia Great atmosphere stadium has great access facilities etc. Worst: Old Mestalla Valencia. Past it, So steep that if you sit up in the heavens you feel as if you are going to fall onto the pitch.

1. Thank you for removing it. 2. I'm not old enough to remember that.

How can the Mods allow some like this to be said on these forums. Whether you agree with it or not in the eyes of Johnny Lawman, its racist. As for the ABE thing, its merely "chip on the shoulder" Scots showing how narrow minded they are...Is this the 21st century or what? You're talking out your arse. That's what I like to see, a well thought out, informative, unbaised post from one of the more educated, broadminded posters. Reason for edit, I removed an unfair comment as DAM is normally quite fair in his postings. It's just this one he's talking out his a*se.

How can the Mods allow some like this to be said on these forums. Whether you agree with it or not in the eyes of Johnny Lawman, its racist. As for the ABE thing, its merely "chip on the shoulder" Scots showing how narrow minded they are...Is this the 21st century or what? This is exactly what I said, wanting England to lose is not racist, "**** the English wankers" is especially when it comes from someone with DornochCaley's well publicised views. I do not begrudge any Scotsman the pure exuberance of seeing England lose, it's nature for them to desire it but it's all about the way you express it that changes it from banter to racism.

Thought it might prove a more factual source of info than your mother. B) Think you getting a bit mixed up now! Sorry mate, I meant Sorted's mother not yours. I hereby apologise to Joe DiMaggio's mother

Thought it might prove a more factual source of info than your mother. :P

JT is a total prat. What gets me about it all is that they have gorgeous wives, loads of money in the bank, the adoration of kids everywhere and the best job in the world yet they're still not happy. They want more money and to shag any woman that isn't theirs. Why can't they be happy with what they have?

Just proved your point for you Renegade. Politics.........Football, great mix. Your post shows that it is hatred and not just banter. Oh by the way, I'll have to give you the last part about JT. :) PS: I think you need to read your history books. My mother hails from Buenos Aires :023: And? This makes you an expert on The Falklands does it? There are a lot of Germans who think Hitler did nothing wrong. Just because they "hail" from Germany does that make them right? :023: A brief summary of the Falkland Islands The first settlement on the Falkland Islands was in 1764. It was named Port St Louis and was founded by the French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, EastFalkland. In January 1765, the British captain John Byron, unaware of the French presence, explored and claimed Saunders Island , at the western end of the group, where he named the harbour of Port Egmont. He sailed near other islands, which he also claimed for King George 111. A British settlement was built at Port Egmont in 1766. Also in 1766, Spain acquired the French colony, and after assuming effective control in 1767, placed the islands under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires Colonial Administration. Spain attacked Port Egmont, ending the British presence there in 1770. The expulsion of the British settlement brought the two countries to the brink of war, but a peace treaty allowed the British to return to Port Egmont in 1771 with neither side relinquishing sovereignty. It wasn't until the 6th November 1820, that Colonel David Jewitt raised the flag of the United Provinces of the River Plate(Argentina) at Port Louis. Jewett was an American sailor and privateer in the employment of Buenos Aires businessman Patrick Lynch to captain his ship, the frigate Heroina(Lynch had obtained a corsair licence from the Buenos Aires Supreme Director Jos? Rondeau). Jewett had put into the islands the previous month, following a disastrous eight month voyage with most of his crew disabled by scurvy and disease. After resting in the islands and repairing his ship he returned to Buenos Aires. In 1828 the Argentines founded a settlement and a penal colony. United States warships destroyed this settlement in 1831 after the Argentine governor of the islands Luis Vernet seized US seal hunting ships during a dispute over fishing rights. Escaped prisoners and pirates were left behind. In November 1832, Argentina sent another governor who was killed in a mutiny. In January 1833, British forces returned and informed the Argentine commander that they intended to reassert British sovereignty. The existing settlers were allowed to remain, with an Irish member of Vernet's settlement, William Dickson, appointed as the Islands' governor. Vernet's deputy, Matthew Brisbane, returned later that year and was informed that the British had no objections to the continuation of Vernet's business ventures provided there was no interference with British control. Sovereignty over the islands again became an issue in the latter half of the 20th century. Argentina, in the pursuit of its claim to the islands, saw the creation of the United Nations as an opportunity to present its case before the rest of the world. In 1945, upon signing the UN Charter, Argentina stated that it reserved its right to sovereignty of the islands, as well as its right to recover them. The United Kingdom responded in turn by stating that, as an essential precondition for the fulfilment of UN resolution 1514(XV) regarding the de-colonisation of all territories still under foreign occupation, the Falklanders first had to vote for the British withdrawal at a referendem to be held on the issue. Talks between British and Argentine foreign missions took place in the 1960s, but failed to come to any meaningful conclusion. A major sticking point in all the negotiations was that the two thousand inhabitants of mainly British descent preferred that the islands remain British territory. On 2 April 1982, Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands and other British territories in the South Atlantic. The military junta which had ruled Argentina since 1976 sought to maintain power by diverting public attention from the nation's poor economic performance and exploiting the long-standing feelings of the Argentines towards the islands.Several British writers hold that the United Kingdom's reduction in military capacity in the South Atlantic also encouraged the invasion. The UN security council issued resolution 502, calling on Argentina to withdraw forces from the Islands and for both parties to seek a diplomatic solution.International reaction ranged from support for Argentina in Latin American countries (except Chile and Columbia), to opposition in the Commonwealth and Europe (apart from Spain), and eventually the United States. The British sent an expeditionary force to retake the islands, leading to the Falklands war. After short but fierce naval and air battles, the British landed at San Carlos Water on 21 May, and a land campaign followed until the Argentine forces surrendered on 14 June 1982. The War led to the deaths of 655 Argentine and 255 British servicemen.

Just proved your point for you Renegade. Politics.........Football, great mix. Your post shows that it is hatred and not just banter. Oh by the way, I'll have to give you the last part about JT. :P PS: I think you need to read your history books.

Judging by your spelling, grammar and juvenile attitude, you have the IQ of an amoeba so I will just ignore this for what it is, *****.

Surely you're not implying that Shawcross intentionally broke Ramsay's leg? I think this conspiracy theory is a bit OTT.

Couldn't agree more, which highlights my point of what was said and by whom and why I took offence to it.

Why do you think I live here? I'm a plastic jock, a wannabe.

I wouldn't worry about that, studies have shown than children of that age often start with a more radical view point and grow in to sanity as they get older. Radical I can handle mate, vile blatent hatred is a bit harder but I can see where you're coming from. C'mon now Oz, don't be so sensitive. It's rivalry and banter. People use the word rascist far too readily nowadays. I have had to listen to things like "jock scum" and "jock c***s when I was working in England. I just shrugged it off. Believe me in England there is far more animosity towards the Scots than vice versa. Dam, Believe me mate I'm not the sensitive type. After 22 yrs in the army I have learnt to tell the difference between banter and hatred. I have lived with all nationalities, be it "Jocks", "Taffs", "Paddys" or any of the other diverse range of people that I have come into contact with. I have lived with the Falkland Islanders, The Bosnians, Germans, Cypriots, Spanish, Danish, Canadians, Australians, South Africans, etc etc etc. Some of the above nationalities have experienced real racism and hatred. During this time however I have also experienced great banter between the different countries. My point is I believe that I can pretty much tell banter from plain hatred and nastiness. Most on here have a normal outlook on the English and their team ie: Don't really care about the former and want the latter to get beaten every game. That is normal and I have no probs with that, unfortunately there are the odd few that carry a deep resentment towards the English in general and find the need to vent this whenever possible. This I find offensive and sometimes falls into the racist area (**** the English wankers). If I was to say (and I wouldn't dream of it) "**** you Scottish pr1cks" would you not find it offensive or would you think it was banter? Now before you answer, take into account the person saying it is well known for his anti everything views and his quickness to belittle people. Anyway ref your experience with the English, you obviously need to hang out with a better class of people. B)

I wouldn't worry about that, studies have shown than children of that age often start with a more radical view point and grow in to sanity as they get older. Radical I can handle mate, vile blatent hatred is a bit harder but I can see where you're coming from. :026:

Agree totally with your top point and the bottom one causes no offence just a rye smile as I see it for what it is, banter.

I had better clarify my point. Hating the team is not a problem even though hate is a bit strong. It's all banter and I'm all for that. I expect there will be a lot of "banter" between now and the end of the world cup or at least until England are out of it. A dislike of county is also not racist unless you call them one of the many colourful names that have been used in the past. "**** the English wankers" is not banter it is racist and it is offensive. Especially coming from DornochCaley given his stance on all things English. (From previous "chats") By all means have fun at the expense of the English or anyone else for that matter but don't cross the line from banter to racism or offence. Nuff said PS: I think the Tshirts are quite funny actually. Predictable but funny

Actually I think you'll find that your first statement is racist but then again I expect nothing less from you.

Here we go again. Just once I'd like Scotland to qualify to give the anti English minds something else to think about. I must admit most of you see this as it's meant, banter but there will always be a few small minded folk who take it too far. Come on England

At the end of the day, Don has suceeded in doing what he set out to. He has bought the matter of the stadium ownership to light and got everybody talking about it. Hopefully now that it is out in the open, the board may feel backed into a corner enough to come out and issue a statement. They may feel it's time to say something before any more damage can be done. I doubt it but you never know. The only down side to this is Don losing the announcer position. I'm sure though that Don would consider it a sacrifice worth making if the truth was to come out and be sorted once and for all.

I don't suppose there will be any kind of statment as to why Don was sacked. Probably not high enough up the food chain to warrant it. Surely though given that someone there reads this board they will see how much this has upset fans and at least come out with some sort of reasoning for the sacking. Then again probably not. :)

At least it shows that somebody at the club bothers to look at this site. Shame they don't pay attention to what is written here. :angry: