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I can't see how Russel Duncan can be described as "under rated" given his time at the club and the amount of matches he played, I would say that he was very much rated otherwise he would have been gone long before now.

Paul Bradshaw was a very capable player who let his personal life ruin his career.

CD I cannot accept that any reasonable individual cab cite Lennon's actions and behaviour, however repulsive, as reason for what he is being subjected to. If one chooses to do so, they choose to seek legitimacy for the abusers not deal with the abuse. The Neil Lennon I see is not a pleassant individual, doesn't behave in a manner that I find acceptable and is not someone I would choose to support conditionally or unconditionally.

The purpose of me continuing to post on this thread is to answer those, some more reasonable than other and some whose views surprise me, who continue to seek logical reason or degrees of justification for Lennon's pursuit and apportion blame to him. I also want to know why, as it is clear to me that life is and has been full of equally hideous individuals who have not been subject to the type of abuse he is experiencing. It leads me to the conclusion that it is bigoted and it is sectarian. Some in the full knowledge of what the do and others who enjoy the pursuit.

You also posted previously regarding the incident at Tynecastle suggesting that there was no evidence that Hearts support portrayed unionist or bigoted views. I trust you saw the programme on the BBC last night that clearly showed, prior to the attack, a stand full of Hearts supporters belting out a song about being "up to their knees in fenian blood."

If the Lennon saga does anything (in addition to bringing shame on our nation) it at least gives us the opportunity to address the issue of sectarianism in our society. Our only hope is that more and more people choose to concentrate on the abuse and seek to stop it.

Entirely stand by my comparisons with a Taleban culture as Neildsleftpeg does, to me, seem to be clearly citing issues of Lennon's unacceptable behaviour as being cause for his abuse. In a similar vein, the Taleban justify stoning for adultery and amputation for theft.

Excellent post, it is a shame your sentiments end up being wasted after you are seen to admit to hero worshipping the blatent racist that is Morrissey in another thread, even going as far as to state that you covet a piece of his clothing stolen in the 1980's. Pots and kettles spring to mind.

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good to see we havent been totally ignored by the bbc for the season highlights reel. could watch grants goal again and again. though i think johnny will look for any excuse not to be reminded of his dancing

So these will be there because their goals against the OF then?

Quite possibly but Hayes' goal would grace most season highlight montages no matter who the opposition were.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-13345655

Of course it's all Neil Lennon's fault and there's nothing sectarian about it..........................!

Yes he's an absolute angel :baby:

Came across this with a quick google search.

I would think that Lennon being caught spitting on a Rangers scarf and calling their fans DOB'sin an OF game shows Lennons true colours to be that of a sectarian and bigoted man. Quite why anyone would choose to have such a bigot manage their team can only speak volumes about the mindset of the people appointing him.

Lennon is hardly an inspiration to impressionable kids who support Celtic and look up to him. He's a bigot, he's a coward of a man who threatens girlfriends with violence and threats when she is carrying his own child, his business associates are caught in up in an IRA money laundering operation, not exactly the type of person who gains respect in a society of decent people

http://boards.footym...4163&vid=144629

Can I ,once again, state that their is nothing in Neil Lennon's character or behaviour that makes him likeable to me (or many others) in any way. Examples given are totally and utterly unacceptable, should be treated as such and have been dealt with by the relevant authorities at the time .

From what you are saying, because he portrays unacceptable behaviour, you view his treatment as acceptable? Or put another way, it serves him right!

Very sad. Norman Tebbit would be proud of you.

Assume you also believe that shop lifters should have their hands chopped off, women having sex outside marriage should be stoned to death and homosexuals are a plague on society?

The Highland Taleban is alive and well and using CTO as a means of communication...............

You are of course totally correct, the treatment which Neil Lennon has recieved is unacceptable, he did/does not deserve it, no human being does. Cosider for a moment, however, Lennon's agenda. He is of an age where he knows all too well the tensions which plagued the Irish island, he was brought up as a catholic in Ulster, he is very much aware of how many supporters from both sides of the religious divide cross the Irish sea every week to follow one side or the other of the old firm. Tensions have been felt on that island for generations, those do not totally vanish because the majority of people there have moved towards peace, just look at the recent bomb threats in London, the pizza delivery killings etc. There is still a hardcore, minimal in numbers but still present, on both sides which are following their causes. Neil Lennon may, as a football manager, not deserve any of the treatment he has recieved but, with his knowledge of the political situation, did he provoke it?

There is a minority of idiots who are willing to go to unacceptable legnths to keep the fight going, is Neil Lennon one of that minority?

Pointless more than one person nominating him, his name will only go into the draw once regardless of how many nominations he recieves.

I heard that his first signing will be to snap up the current free agent,

Rossco the Staggy, the dream team shall be reunited.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-13345655

Of course it's all Neil Lennon's fault and there's nothing sectarian about it..........................!

Yes he's an absolute angel :baby:

Came across this with a quick google search.

I would think that Lennon being caught spitting on a Rangers scarf and calling their fans DOB'sin an OF game shows Lennons true colours to be that of a sectarian and bigoted man. Quite why anyone would choose to have such a bigot manage their team can only speak volumes about the mindset of the people appointing him.

Lennon is hardly an inspiration to impressionable kids who support Celtic and look up to him. He's a bigot, he's a coward of a man who threatens girlfriends with violence and threats when she is carrying his own child, his business associates are caught in up in an IRA money laundering operation, not exactly the type of person who gains respect in a society of decent people

http://boards.footym...4163&vid=144629

Nobody mentioned Rangers yet?

I hear that the Queen has requested that her Dublin itinerary is changed so that she can go around to Rooney's family gaff and put in a special request tomorrow.

Very good points, I never really rated Niculae but I will concede that his inclusion in the European championships raised the status of ICT and perhaps did us a few favours as far as attracting talent who would not normally have considered us as an option. I can't really agree on the point about assists and pulling off other defenders as I never really saw any of that but we all read the game differently and look at different things during the match, he may well have performed in the way you have indicated but in my opinion he was/is the most over rated player to pull on an ICT shirt, in general. Barrowman, I feel, was only ever rated by those involved in signing him for the club. Everyone else saw him for what he really was, a stand out striker playing full time against part time players, a mediochre striker in the second tier of the Scottish leagues and well out of his depth at SPL level.

Even if the club have/do end up paying out to Niculae, we'll still be in the black from the deal (including wages). Although we could well have blown any profit on legal fees (and some).

Barrowman was on a higher wage than Niculae (the ?4k a week was BS), was only slightly less in terms of signing on fee and we got feck all for him when he was ditched. I don't want to give any more detailed info on this as I'm not sure on the current state of play with courts and appeals and things and wouldn't want to land myself in bother by "leaking" what could still be information sensitive to the case.

No matter how you dissect it, Barrowman was the biggest financial mistake (player wise) that ICT ever made.

True but the question was about over rated players, in that case when you consider the hype on signing him (think online petitions etc) and the reputation he came here with (once reputed to be valued in excess of ?1M) then Marius was by far the most over rated player at ICT and the very fact that at least one fan on this website is still singing his praises after returning only 8 SPL goals and two CIS cup goals against lower league opposition goes to show that some are still over rating him.

Barreowman was indeed a huge mistake but as the first post in this thread says, never really rated far less over rated by the fans. Apart from the week after our first competitive win over the Sheep.

Oops....needed to adjust them to remove div 1

Barrowman - 15 starts, 20 sub appearances (+ 3 sub apps for Kilmarnock), 2 goals

Rooney - 43 starts, 21 sub appearances, 20 goals

Dargo - 55 starts, 4 sub appearances, 27 goals

You can check up the stats for yourself. Menu at the top right Team Info > Squad then use the filters to select what you want to look up.

The original question from Charles was with regard to Niculae/Rooney not Barrowman.

Niculae (according to soccerbase) 33 starts 2 sub (35) 8 goals in SPL ratio=0.22866

Rooney fom your figures has a ratio of 0.3125

Dargo is 0.4576 from your figures

Backing up my point that Marius was over rated. I'd like to see figures on goals/? spent on the player.

That'll teach me to try and do stats when half asleep

In regards goals/? we actually made money on the Marius deal (although not as much as we maybe should have) whereas Barrowman/Rooney/Dargo will all have cost the club money to have them here.

We probably did make money from the deal but did I not read that Marius is chasing us for money? Signing on fee or a percentage of his transfer or something? It would be too deep to go into but I was thinking along the lines that Marius was costing us the club's highest wage ever and returned little by way of goals but Dargo and Rooney have scored more on smaller wages and signing on fees, Rooney costing us ?50 thousand transfer plus signing on fee would be a lot less than the reputed 100 thousand Marius is looking for. Too much to go into and only speculative figures make it more of a guessing game than fact.

Marius by far was the most over rated, he has done hee haw since leaving, did very little when here.

While he came with a big reputation, that may have worked against him. He may have done "very little when here", but he was still our top scorer in his only season with the club. And since leaving, he's played another ten or so games for Romania, scored 13 in his first season with Dinamo and is now their club captain. Seems he's done alright for himself!

My info may be slightly out of date - seems he's been loaned out by Dinamo. But still, had a decent couple of years :P

http://scoutingromania.com/2011/01/05/the-rise-and-fall-of-marius-niculae/

Oops....needed to adjust them to remove div 1

Barrowman - 15 starts, 20 sub appearances (+ 3 sub apps for Kilmarnock), 2 goals

Rooney - 43 starts, 21 sub appearances, 20 goals

Dargo - 55 starts, 4 sub appearances, 27 goals

You can check up the stats for yourself. Menu at the top right Team Info > Squad then use the filters to select what you want to look up.

The original question from Charles was with regard to Niculae/Rooney not Barrowman.

Niculae (according to soccerbase) 33 starts 2 sub (35) 8 goals in SPL ratio=0.22866

Rooney fom your figures has a ratio of 0.3125

Dargo is 0.4576 from your figures

Backing up my point that Marius was over rated. I'd like to see figures on goals/? spent on the player.

Friend sorry got carried away...

Has he signed for Hearts or not? Are you on the wind up?

"What a shi*ty home support" from the guys in the North Stand trying to gee up our own fans, funny and apt.

Niculae, gave us what 10 or 11 goals? Got a call up for Romania and all of a sudden he was the best striker ever?

Dargo, Wyness, Ritchie, Hislop, Rooney all better scorers.

Not to ention Stewart, Marius by far was the most over rated, he has done hee haw since leaving, did very little when here.

Sad day for the players and their families but they are leaving as club heroes and not staying on until they are longer capable of doing a job for the team, they will always be remembered in a good light by our fans. Good luck to you all.

And therein lies a very big difference. Lennon is catholic but NOT Irish and if you know anything of Ulster you'll know that catholics, historically, have been treated very differently within that country.

Why is Neil Lennon not Irish?

<LI>Both governments must accept the right of Northern Ireland citizens to declare themselves as either British or Irish and that dual citizenship must be provided for those who desire it.

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/today/good_friday/synopsis.html

I can see the Jags making it 3 for 1 by winning 3 to 1 today.

I don't think that the use of a crucifix in the picture is of the best taste and could be seen as slightly bigoted towards christianity in general, otherwise a fairly decent jape.

Good luck to Russell in the future, a great servant to the club. I am sure Terry Butcher knows what he is doing, we have no idea of what plans he has to replace Russell but his judgement has proved to be good in the past.

I'll set the ball rolling by suggesting avoiding it by working for Highland Council who have taken the very wise decision not to waste scarce public money by shutting down for the day.

Sorry for going off topic but I think that the Highland council missed an opportunity to save money on this occassion.

Employees would have had to be paid anyway so take the wages out of the equation and you are left with additional costs for buildings lighting and heating, vehicle running costs, electrical costs of running computers, telephone call costs and other general running costs.

Not really that mad when you consider that the news agencies which are not considered to be of the "tabloid" genre are reporting the fact that Venlo are admitting the contract is just "symbolic". More of a great publicity stunt than madness really.