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Everyone watches the game from a different perspective and all sorts of incidents/performences can have a bearing on the impression of the game which someone walks away with. Sometimes a piece of individual skill which has come from nowhere will stick in people's minds, sometimes a player can do nothing for the whole match but a goal is remembered after the match. Some people like to watch disciplined defensive players, some showboating midfielders, some free scoring attackers. 'Keepers and strikers will do better due to the fact that they are at the business end of the game. It all depends on what you personally take from the game.

the football business these days forces clubs to charge more just to be able to survive in the position they have achieved.

It's ironic, and incredible, that football clubs going bust only became a regular occurrence once huge amounts of money started pouring into the game. Prior to the 1990's, clubs generally lived within their means.

The movement in money since then is basically:

Fans - worse off, paying more at the gate

Armchair fans - worse off, through paying TV subscriptions

Investors/club owners - worse off, having pumped much of their fortunes down the drain in pursuit of glory

Clubs - worse off, most are in debt and run at a loss

Players - here's where all the money's gone!

Agents - don't get me started. At least the players have talent.

Good post, green dotted, I also think that banks have to shoulder some of the blame they were all too eagre to finance clubs so that wage demands etc could be met in the pursuit of glory and are now more than happy to put the squeeze on the same clubs who have borrowed to excess.

I'm thinking more in the long term. If clubs could increase gates - especially kids - then the fan bases might grow.

I am thinking long term too.

Club reduces ticket prices, still needs to pay players now there are a few possible scenarios which could emerge from this.

Top earners need to leave to sustain financial equilibrium, increasing the risk of relegation. We were lucky enough to have a squad with enough quality to bounce back the last time, could we do it again? Also, even though we managed to attract more fans through the last spell in division 1 do you think that would repeat? I feel we may lose fans instead of gaining them, as your long term vision would suggest.

Keep the top earners, have one or two seasons flying high whilst watching the bank balance turn from black to deeper and deeper shades of scarlet and end up like these guys

I'm not looking to argue about this but I think for the standard of football SPL grounds should be about ?10 - 12 for adults and ?5-6 for kids.

With our wage structure being on the bones of it's arse as it is what standard of players do you think we could afford if we slashed the income from gate reciepts?

I agree that football should be more affordable especially as a trip from Caithness is required on my part to watch ICT but the football business these days forces clubs to charge more just to be able to survive in the position they have achieved.

Going slightly off topic, I see those cheeky blighters from Dingwall are advertising season tickets throught a banner at the Longman roundabout. I do not condone vandalism but it would be amusing to see it tampered with, should that happen. ;)

Never seen him today but I think some on here are being a bit harsh. So he had a bad game. If thats all there is to go on then why are so many other players still hero's. Everyone had at least one bad game last season but nobody is calling for them to be put out on loan. Nick started in 35 games and came of the bench in a further 4 last season. Is that not far better experience than he'll ever gain in a lower team loan spell? He was also very close to being awarded Player of the Year last season as voted for by the same fans who are now slating him. There was me thinking it was only the gutter press who built someone up to knock him down again.

You are only as good as your last game.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80577921/

Apparently County are looking to get this future keeper signed up.

Does it really matter? He is obviously a kid who is trying to undo some damage that has been done, he has made sure that everyone knows ICT are a good club. Imagine scoring the winner against a semi pro club from an U19 side and then being binned. He must have been an emotional wreck then someone, who he does not know, makes things worse by trying to make out the coaches who binned him as being some sort of demons. Let's just leave the lad alone and hope he makes a success of his football career.

I would imagine highlights will appear here later http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/livitv.php

Can't say it's too bad a result, still unbeaten with a makeshift team and Livy beat Hibs 2-1 midweek.

FT: #Livingston (Ky. Jacobs) 1 - 1 #InvernessCaledonianThistle (Foran)

Thanks go to Alan Temple's twitter for updates

85 Mins: Even the kids with no number of their shirts are coming close for Livi. Lewis Turner or Michael Travis goes v. close. Still 1-1

82 Mins: Fizzling out a bit here. But Livi should be ahead; Ross Gray, Russell, Samuel and Deuchar have all come close. 1-1

83 Mins: Nick Ross just blazed over the bar in ICT's only effort for ages. But, as I say, results invariably count for little in preseason

No news on subs, sorry

Any news of team lines and subs please

http://lockerz.com/s/118505158

65 Mins: Goooooal. Kyle Jacobs makes it 1-1 with a thunderbolt. Absolute stoater

48 Mins: Might be wrong, but I think Collin Samuel has come on for Livingston. Listed as trialist, and not looking undernourished.

HT: #Livingston 0 - 1 #InvernessCaledonianThistle (Foran)...Not entirely sure how, though. Livi by far the better team.

Better credit Alan Temple for the tweets, just keeping us up to date with what he says.

38 Mins: Goooooal Inverness Caledonian Thistle. Foran taps in from a Hayes cross. Typical 2nd-phase-offside/onside-confusion type goal. 0-1.

5 Mins: Keaghan Jacobs turns inside Tom Aldred and curls a nice effort just past the post. A close thing in a, so far, dour affair. 0-0.

8 Mins: Mark McNuly lashes cross across the face, cleared wildly by Meekings - could have gone in. All Livi and Aldred is nervous and wooden

12 Mins: Decent effort for Inverness Caley. Hayes free-kick 20 yards out is somewhat low and miss-hit, but proves awkward, save Jamieson.0-0

22 Mins: Still 0-0 and Stephen Scougall is carried off injured for Livi. The last thing you want in a friendly. David Sinclair replaces him.

Better one here http://twitter.com/#!/alanftemple

Updates here http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/match/match_updates.php

Quite possible Alex but in the long run our speculation can only go to harm those involved. Looking at Liam's twitter feed he does not bad mouth the club himself but the club's name have been sullied by what he told one of our fans, possibly in confidence, and that could damage his reputation a lot more than it will a club playing at the highest level in their country. People should be aware of how much damage a comment made on the internet can do, whether it was made in frustration, other high emotions or not. Careers stand to be won or lost at times.

Once again our club makes a mockery of itself and if other young players are to talk to liam, I would imagine he would advise to stay away from us

Hmmm, young player gets his break at an SPL club and asks a bitter ex trialist for advice, do you really think he'd pass up an opportunity to show what he is made of because he might get dropped on the bus in front of "team mates" he does not really know?

A coach at another club asks ICT's coaching staff for advice on a trialist we had looked at previously and is told "he was okay, not quite what we were looking for but the worst thing is if you don't take him on he will bad mouth you all over twitter and get your fans on his side asking for you or your collegues to be sacked" do you think said trialist would get an opportunity based on this reference?

caleyrule, you have done this guy no favours at all.

Whilst I really do sympathise with this young man I feel it's a bit unfair to call for the sacking of one of our youth coaches, one of the coaches who have done this club a great service in finding the likes of Nick Ross, Graham Shinnie, Shane Sutherland, Gavin Morrison, These guys and Grant Munro.

No one on here saw how well Liam Molesworth played last night, or has come on stating so, no one has commented on how well or badly he trained with the squad. We do not know the circumstances behind why he was told on the bus, it may well have been that the feeling was telling him as early as possible would cause less grief to the guy, who was obviously in high emotions after scoring for the team.

Sorry for saying this but we are not really in a position to call for the sacking of a coach, just because he decided someone is not good enough for us and made the choice to let him down as early as possible.

It is very interesting that you are able to judge the level of information and expertise that any poster has. What makes you believe that I express "ill informed opinions"? How do you know the "potential consequences" of these opinions?

I am surprised that it is you, the poster who has chosen to defend Thomson and his right to remain in employment. the poster that has sought to mitigate his behaviour and the likelihood of re-offence, that has introduced paedophilia into the debate. Why have you deemed this necessary when others have not? Are you linking Thomson's crimes to paedophilia?

Once again, this totally undermines your own argument. You have adopted the stance that he is a "silly wee boy" that has "made a mistake" and needs support and guidance not exclusion form society. Then you, not anyone else, chose to associate the "silly wee boy" that has "made a mistake" with paedophilia Little wonder people have concern eh?

For the record for every individual working within the mental health sector (public and private) that believes that paedophilia can be treated, there are at least two that believe it can only be managed. No cure just control.

I'll leave you to work out the merit or value of my opinion and whether it is based on over 25 years working in this field or just a hunch. I will not try to judge you through your posts though it would be very easy to do so.

You stated that you were unfamiliar with the full details of the case, illinformed.

You are judging the potential consequences by saying he should be sacked, it is all guess work on both sides of the debate. How do you know that sacking him will make him less of a risk? I have stated why I believe keeping him employed would help with his treatment.

Paedofilia is the sexual attraction to adolecents, Thomson made that link through his actions, not me.

He was an 18 year old at the time of the offences, the offences were a silly thing to do, I don't know about you but I believe no matter how much an 18 year old has lived they still have a lot of growing up to do, hence my description of him being a "silly wee boy" at the time.

You allude to having experience in the mental helth proffession, you tell me whether it would be easier to treat a person with one mental health issue by adding the problem of taking away their livelyhood, by giving them more to worry about, by possibly driving them further into depression.

I never defended his actions, they were wrong, no arguement there but he has been punished by the courts what gives anyone else the right to add to that punishment?

There's no doubt we were a pivotal stepping stone but he's a Ross-shire lad who would have made it anyway, I'm glad we helped along the way. We can't claim all the credit though.

See Don Cowie signed a 3 year contract with Cardiff after leaving Watford. Another success story of ours. He seems to have really made it down South.

I would have said he was more of a Ross County success story given that he trained/played there since a youth and we only had him for a couple of seasons. From what I hear Don is a staggy through and through.