Charles Bannerman

1 hour ago, Phenom said:

A statement on the status of our COO would be better ! Rumour going around the stadium is that he has been gone for months. Might explain the absolute shambles behind the scenes these days.

My understanding is that SPFL rules prevent the same individual from being COO and Academy Director. Danny has hence moved entirely to the football side, overseeing Project Brave as well as other football matters, so is by no means "gone". The operational side, I believe, is being undertaken by Jim Oliver and there is some marketing input as well.

I am interested to note that Phenom appears so well versed with ICT's behind the scenes operations that he is in a position to write them off as "an absolute shambles"..... but at the same time he appears not even to know who does which job nor even who is or isn't in the employ of the club.

The practice I spoke about in an earlier post of comparing willies behind the bike sheds in the hope that yours will be the smallest so you can blame your parents for it seems to be alive and well.

It always seems to have to be somebody else's fault.

1 minute ago, DWH said:

To have any chance, we need three points on Saturday. Other results going our way on top and you never know.......................

 

I'm not so sure about that since St Mirren are not one of the teams being directly pursued. Given that points WILL be dropped, irrespective of the final finishing order, dropping them against St Mirren (*) would be one of the less damaging ways of doing it. The games against the clubs in 3, 4, 5 and 6 are a lot more important in this respect - six pointers as opposed to the 3 pointer which St Mirren is.

(*) - that isn't to be taken as any expectation of the result, simply an appraisal of the consequences of possible outcomes on Saturday.

4 hours ago, Eagle4Caley said:

 A play-off place is maybe an outside possibility.

I don't want to sound negative, but this is what's probably required to do this:- with 9 games remaining.... pull back 8 points on QoS with 3 games in hand PLUS 9, maybe 10 points on Dunfermline with 3 games in hand PLUS 11 points on DU with 1 game in hand OR 12, maybe 13 points on Morton with 3 in hand. (The "maybe" qualification is where goal advantage may not be pulled in as well)

That's a lot of points to be pulled back on a lot of clubs and, as I've said before, all that's preventing me from being even more categorical is the 2010 run-in.... which itself depended on the collapse of just one rival club.

21 minutes ago, TheMantis said:

Never mind Dumbarton jumping above ICT, Falkirk would need to jump above ICT as well, with a game less as well as a much poorer goal difference. 

I was taking it as a likely "given" that if there was a big enough collapse for Dumbarton to jump above ICT, Falkirk would have done so as well, but indeed - tonight's outcome also takes ICT a place up the table.

And as an aside.... in the wake of winning that cup and tonight's valuable follow up, it's going to be interesting to see what kind of a home crowd turns up for the visit of the league leaders. (Please note that I've just said "interesting" and "what kind" as opposed to making any predictions!)

9 minutes ago, Yngwie said:

Great result, just wish it counted for something a bit more!

I think tonight counts for quite a lot in terms of avoiding the relegation play-offs. Combined with Dumbarton's 5-0 defeat by Simmurn that leaves ICT with a seven point and a 19 goal advantage as well as a game in hand. Consequently, Dumbarton would need to score eight more points in their last nine games than Caley Thistle did in their last 10 to jump into eighth place. Even the deficit alone, never mind having to add to it whatever ICT get for the rest of the season, is similar to Dumbarton's average points scoring rate to date.

A for the "other" playoffs, the ONLY thing that's stopping me from saying a categorical NO is the last three months of 2009-10, but even part of that was Dundee bottling it and I can't see Qos, Dunfermline and Dundee United all bottling it to the extent required.

Also, twinned with the Cup victory, a home win over Dundee United is quite a formidable combination of results which it's hoped can be built on - although Simmurn at home will be a pretty formidable test.

This notion of "legitimate tampering" is beginning to sound a bit like the question of which substances should be allowed and which should be banned as performance enhancing. Where does, or should the dividing line lie? I have no real knowledge of cricket at all, but if differential polishing and roughening of the ball is all that important, may there not be a case for abandoning all restraints on doing this, which could have two benefits?

Firstly, it will eliminate ball tampering as the issue which is seriously clouding the game. And secondly, if a differential ball surface is more difficult for batsmen to deal with, then scrapping limits on achieving this would have two major benefits:- shortening games (qv George Bernard Shaw's reference to "eternity") and hence making them less likely to be affected by rain which currently seems to be a major determinant of the outcome of cricket matches.

It seems that quite a few of them have been at it over the years so why not apply a radical remedy in the form of a thin Kevlar coating on cricket balls? Kevlar is an extremely robust polymer which can stop bullets, so a thin layer on a cricket ball should surely prevent differential wear.

On the other hand, if cricket is so inflexible that they won't even add on time at the end to allow for anything lost to rain, I couldn't see them coming to terms with this simple but radical solution. to cheating.

I just wish there was as straightforward a solution to cheating in other sports by way of drug taking.

2 hours ago, Second Row said:

Thanks for clearing that up!

Bet you never thought that it would be talked about after 40-odd years! (I get the "Hil" bit, where did the "Chib" come from?)

I suspect that "chib" is a reference to a knife. It's a Glasgow gang word which tends also to be used elsewhere in Scotland.

2 hours ago, Yngwie said:

BBC report says that Robertson drove down to York to bring Mackay back from his Scotland Schoolboys duty!

The manager drove to York (370 miles), picked up Daniel MacKay (and Kieran Chalmers I believe) and drove back to Edinburgh (200 miles) where they stayed overnight before heading on to Perth (a further 45 miles.... all "ish"). Daniel was asked about it in his Sportsound post-match interview, where one of the questions was "so who got to choose the music on the way back?" to which the answer was "oh there wasn't any music because the gaffer talked all the time".

Making that trip in advance of the stresses and strains of managing a team in a cup final shows quite a lot of commitment to tge job.

8 minutes ago, Glover said:

No attempt to make the bar ICT oriented.  One person struggling on the bar.  Poor show and a bit of a mugging.

Stuart Cosgrove on Off The Ball has just recommended a place close to the ground called The Tulloch Institute.

38 minutes ago, The Long Man said:

Racist or not, it is stupidly derogatory of someone who wants to help out ICT.

In that case I wish he would just do what the other sponsors do - sponsor the club- rather than turn the operation into an eternal Soap Opera which has now extended to 50 posts, 18 of these from himself, extending across two pages and seven days.

1 hour ago, snorbens_caleyman said:

Can you quit with the racist crap, please, Charles?  I damn near called you out last time - this time I am.  Didn't the reactions to your earlier post teach you anything?

Good Lord! I thought the Beast from the East had brought us quite enough snowflakery! Now it seems that referring to a frequent daily experience - unintelligible nuisance calls originating from the Subcontinent... or even perhaps to such calls as simply being unintelligible.... is considered to be racism.

Our freedom of expression seems to have declined a very long way in a very short time since the days of "The Wheels On Your House".

44 minutes ago, Blair said:

I have the baby face or the younger one in this video if you want to know what I look everyone on this webinar with me have been doing SEO for like 10 years or website design or more doing online this is to show you I do know what I am talking about SEO or not some kind mystery person.

 

Blair..... are you sure your real job isn't answering customer service calls in a tin hut in downtown Delhi? ?

Is there not an element here of wee boys going behind the bike sheds to compare willies, but with the strange twist of each secretly hoping his will be the smallest so he can find something to blame his parents for?

Following a miserable 2016-17 which produced nothing more concrete than relegation and then a big struggle to make an impact in the Championship this season, Inverness Caledonian Thistle is now less than 24 hours away from a National Cup Final.... and what do we see on its fans' forum? Some people still looking for anything at all to moan about and for somebody else to blame for perceived shortcomings of governance - most recently, Cup Final ticket sales -  when the focus should really be on the game itself and the chance of a potentially corner-turning cup success.

Well done to Huisdean for an excellent post about 10 above this one.

Why didn't they do the sensible thing and restart the game after the rain stopped? One of the fundamental weaknesses of cricket is that, if they HAVE to stop because it rains, they don't rearrange the lost time. I mean, this is RAIN we're talking about. It tends to be fairly common on our planet so allowances should surely be made for it.

The frequency with which cricket matches are decided by the randomness of simple precipitation is quite astonishing and the Vera Duckworth Method (which sounds more like a means of contraception!) appears not to be all that reliable. In test cricket they don't even have that and I believe, for instance, that England won The Ashes in ??2005??, simply because rain stopped play.

5 hours ago, CaleyD said:

A letter has been delivered to CJT today (22nd March 2018) instructing the existing board to convene an EGM.  The letter is backed, in name, by 37 society members.

The purpose of the meeting shall be...

1. to vote on the removal of all persons from the Society Board.
2. to hold a fresh election to appoint members to the Society Board in accordance with the society’s rules.

As I have said to people I have spoken with about this recently, it's not a witch hunt.  The reason we are asking for the removal of everyone on the board at present is due to the numerous concerns and doubts over the legitimacy of their position/s.  The first step in the society moving forward must be a board properly appointed by the membership.  If those currently claiming a position on the board believe they are the people to take things forward, then there would be nothing stopping them standing for election along with anyone else who wished to put themselves forward.

CJT now have 28 days in which to convene the meeting, communicate it's happening to to the membership and implement the process for the election.

I hope the letter of requisition is watertight. In 1993 the Caley committee managed to delay a second meeting on the merger for weeks  due to holes in the Rebels' letter.

1 hour ago, old caley girl said:

Nope not really. 

I think the lead up to the SC final was fab. There was the shop in town, The posters on the high street, the scarves on Inverness statues, open training sessions at the bught and meet the cup sessions. I am proud to have been a part of a lot of events at that time and the few weeks before and the few days after will live in my memory forever. 

Agreed OCG. I did think the SC final was marketed pretty well in 2015 and of course it carried the extra gravitas of being the SC final. It's absolutely great that the club has got to this Challenge Cup final but, to be realistic, as an occasion grabbing the public imagination, this can't match not only the SC final but also the LC final, three SC semi finals and a replay and arguably also two LC semi finals.

However, I do also believe that this final MAY have the potential to have influence disproportional to the occasion, in that if ICT manage to win it, that achievement could help to kick start the overall momentum of the club after a very difficult period since last May. Yes, I agree that winning the Scottish Cup did nothing to build momentum then, but things are starting from a rather lower level on this occasion.

3 hours ago, Caley Mad In Berks said:

.Is it really necessary to bleat on about it on this thread? I, for one, am getting rather tired of it.

Now that CMIB has raised the issue, I think I'd want to add that I'm getting a bit tired of it as well. If you're going to do it, just do it.

When Blair first posted on this forum some months ago, I was mildly chastised by one or two fellow posters for what was a mildly abrasive initial response on my part. Their reaction wasn't wholly unreasonable, on the original premise that Blair was just a young lad making a point about the club...... as opposed to the Slavic, Putin-supporting Oligarch which he has now revealed himself to be. Hence I now feel slightly less inhibited. (So here's hoping that Poloium-210, tabun, sarin or dodgy umbrellas aren't among Blair's merchandise! )

7 minutes ago, Blair said:

Nice stuff I went a bit too into  food eating too when I was at the match when Caley knocked Celtic out of the Semi final  I spent like £10 on food at the football grounds and then like £5 on food Perth Tesco 

A Ballinluig breakfast or mixed grill for me  But to return to the issue of sponsorship, why don't you just phone 01463 222880 and ask to speak to Danny MacDonald, the Chief Operating Officer?

6 minutes ago, Blair said:

One part of I liked at lot when I went to football matches at Celitc was the good quality food they sell to me

On January 29th 2000, my media ticket got me within yards of the fluttering guttering..... and the pick of 20,000 spare Celtic pies!

16 minutes ago, Blair said:

 No I am not Russian or from the USSR but I have great respect towards the people a lot for the worker approach and I love how they design websites.

Are you SURE you aren't one of Vladimir's Little Helpers? 

6 minutes ago, Renegade said:

 a cricket side who the SFA mistakenly invited.  

 

Orion FC .

In the first case, I see that the SFA haven't got any more efficient over the years..... and in the second, I didn't realise that Alan Savage had been sponsoring football for that long!

On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 3:06 PM, snorbens_caleyman said:

Charles, I think you are a wee bit out with some of the dates.

The first time the Q Cup was split into North & South sections was 1931-32. Citadel won it that season, on 12 December 1931 - more about that below. Thistle won it in 32-33. Clach in 34-35 and 38-39 - if the final was played before the turn of the year then that would give you the 1934 and 1938 dates for Clach. The Lilywhites had been the first Highland League team to reach the final, in 24-25, but were beaten by Royal Albert.

Citadel's road to victory is described in the booklet about them which was produced in 1990 (& revised in 1991), which some of you may have seen. I would hope that the Inverness library would have a copy.

They beat Caley 2-0 at Telford Street in the first round, had a bye through the second, beat Ross County 3-1 at the Longman, and then had a bye in the fourth round. This put them into the semi-final, and it looks as though this is where North were drawn against South. Citadel played Lochgelly Amateurs at the Longman on the afternoon of Wednesday 4th November, and drew 0-0. Three days later, they won the replay at Lochgelly, 1-0.  In the other semi, Murrayfield Amateurs beat Inverness Jags 4-1 at Kingsmills.

The final was on November 28th, at Pittodrie, and attracted a crowd of 5,000. This ended in a 3-3 draw. Everyone reassembled - well, not quite, the crowd was only 3,000 - at Pittodrie a week later, Dec 5th, and this time the score was 2-2.

The SFA scheduled the second replay for the next Saturday, the 12th. In a move which will sound very familiar, they set up this match between an Inverness team and an Edinburgh team, at... Easter Road!  Citadel were not happy, and suggested Perth or even Glasgow, but the SFA were having none of it. This no doubt added an edge to the celebrations when Citadel outplayed Murrayfield and ran out as 4-1 winners, in front of a crowd of just over 3,000.

They came home by train the next day, and despite the fact that it was the afternoon of the Sabbath, they were greeted at the station by a crowd of around 1,000. The team captain was carried shoulder-high as the Cup was paraded through the town behind a pipe band.

Sources:  "Highland Hundred": Bill McAllister's centenary history of the Highland League, and "Inverness Citadel Football Club": booklet by Geo Campbell.

 

I see what I've done, Snorbens. I should have written "AFTER 1930" rather than "in" and from there quoted, without looking at the list again, the first two winners Citadel and Thistle as 30 and 31.

The source was this www.nozdrul.plus.com/zfeweb/scotland/qcup/finals.html  which, if I'd actually read the year, which I did for Clach's two wins, does in fact quote 1934 and 38 for them. It doesn't, of course, detail when in the season the final was played. You'll note that, outwith Inverness, Elgin also won the original North contest on a couple of occasions in the 1930s.

7 minutes ago, dougiedanger said:

Thistle won the old QC in the 30s.

I have done a bit of Googling since my earlier post and it seems that the Q Cup was a national competition up to and including 1929 and there were in facto no Highland winners there. In 1930, it became a North and a South competition and up until the War, the North final always seems to have been a HL team versus one from the central belt like Rosyth Dockyard or Penicuick Athletic. During that pre-war decade, the North Q Cup came to Inverness four times - Citadel (1930), Thistle (1931) and Clach (1934 and 1938). I'm not sure if there was then a North v South playoff final which Citadel and perhaps Clach and Jags won as well?

After the War, a new Midland Q Cup seems to have left the North one as the HL + Golspie arrangement which the current generation know and loved up until the "All In" which began in 2007. I seem to remember that for a few year after that the competition continued as some kind of non-Qualifying challenge cup.

15 minutes ago, buckett said:

In the mid 60s Elgin City did particularly well, being the only Highland League team ever to reach the quarter-final of the Scottish Cup, losing by a very creditable 3-1 to 1st Division Motherwell. (There were only 2 divisions then - Division 1 and Division 2. Very sensible names!)

Absolutely! I was taking "local" as Inverness but Elgin's achievement was indeed inspiring.... especially to a wee Moray boy called Steve Paterson who followed every move of that campaign from the Borough Briggs terraces.

I remember attending the 25th anniversary celebration of that cup run at Borough Briggs in 1993..... ironically just before Elgin unfortunately disgraced themselves with the John Teasdale match fixing scandal, ruining what was also their centenary year.