MrCaleyjag

Annan @ 2.37 please

If what I have heard proves to be true then the problems purely at Rangers are not all CW has to contend with at the moment. Suggestions have been made to me that just over a week ago CW received a letter from the police warning him that his life was in danger and several threats have been made against it not to mention that a hit has been ordered also.

I believe he massively underestimated the backlash and fallout that would occur through doing what he has done and right from the outset he had it in his mind to go down this exact road. For him the best that can come out of this now, and not what he first set out to do which was liquidation, is for Rangers to acquire a new buyer/owner before it goes into liquidation and then carry on in administration until the big tax case is finished as CaleyD suggested.

Quite when and how he managed to aquire the backing of Ticketus is yet to come out but if he did so before he took control of Rangers then he surely must be liable for that debt as he secured it on his own back outwith Rangers as a viable business at the time to back him. For me there is no way that the Rangers board at the time, remember it included John Greig and Martin Bain, would have agreed to and voted on this ridiculous deal as there is nothing to suggest that it would have helped out the club in the long run. It's like the bank giving me a mortgage based on the fact I have been told that I was due a 50% pay rise but might not actually occur, the same way I cannot see them agreeing to a loan based on future season ticket sales which can't be 100% guaranteed either not to mention the fact they could surely not do without that money to run the club over the three years in question and would be facing an even bigger shortfall in finances as a result.

There are so many ifs and buts still to be answered and they will never come from CW, the best hope Rangers fans have is that the administrators get to the bottom of it and if indeed they were in on it at the start I think they too have now found themselves in a position where they don't want to be and the only viable solution for them is to now find a new buyer/backer and let the club continue.

Do they want to be seen as the company that liquidated Glasgow Rangers Football Club?

Cowdenbeath @ 2.25 please

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1st ICT: Tansey

1st Opp: Harkins

Crowd:3427

It's a pity he can't use that 6th sense of his to anticipate what players are going to do so he can actually be where he should be and prevent us conceding since he is supposed to be a defender.

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1st ICT: Tade

1st Opp: Russell

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Elgin @ 2.37 please

Yeah it was probably the best night of the Premier League last night, I love the darts and watch it anytime it's on.

Phil Taylors 3-dart average last night was a Premier League record and the 2nd highest 3-dart average ever recorded in any match, he currently holds the world record sitting at just over 118.00!!! That's a 10 or 11 dart leg in every leg, just phenomenal and great to watch if you like that stuff.

Really like watching Gary Anderson and good to see him enjoying it again after a few bad months.

Well that was sh#te, end of!!

It's one of those games where you just rip it up and move on, we can take nothing positive from that performance at all and the only thing TB should learn from it is that his constant changing of team selections isn't working and we need some leadership and experience at the back.

We've now conceded more goals this season so far than the whole of last season, not good enough by a long way

Yet another TB roasting required at half time to get them going, totally unacceptable and it shouldn't take that too get them motivated and focussed.

Be interesting to see if he makes any changes

I hate slagging us off but we are rotten down the right hand side!!! Desperately need some experience in the defence to sort them out and Rossco's on the bench, we want the midfield to get it down and play but the defence anytime they get the ball panic and hoof it forward, why??!!

Thats undefendable defending, we should never be sucked towards the ball like that and leave men unmarked

Good reaction to the goal but need to stick to our markers and not be pulled about

Reall confident today, happy with our team selection. Cmon Caley!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17146506

It just keeps getting worse for them!!

We all knew they would never meet the 31st March deadline and that's not really the part that should be worrying Rangers fans the most, the fact that the tax rangle with the HMRC seemingly keeps escalating it's more a case of when will it stop than how will it stop. It just makes the management of the club even more baffling.

Stenhousemuir @ 2.50 please

I think the use of the EBT's was quite nievely exploited without them fully exploring the avenues that it could lead to or open up and the potential problems that it may bring, certainly at the time Rangers weren't the only club to make use of them and it has been widely reported that there are at least 8 or 9 EPL clubs that are being investigated for the same thing and some have already come to settlements however none of the teams involved have been named.

Technically Rangers exploited what they say as loopholes in the law as did these other clubs and it is not until now or the last few years that the HMRC have started to clamp down on them. The extent to which they have pushed those bounderies or went passed those bounderies has still to be revealed but really this is only part of the whole mess.

Everyone is getting caught up in the 'big case' but lets be clear this didn't tip the club into administration, it was the complete ineptitude and mis-management by CW that has done this in the non payment of the £9m, are we to believe CW in his comments today that it is actually only roughly £4.5m and they offered to pay £2.5m up front with monthly instalments of £0.5m and that the HMRC point blank refused this? I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth as the HMRC, as I have said before, stated many times they don't want the club to go out of business and would work with them.

Has it all been part of his ploy, is it really mis-management or a cunning plan from a man who understands the laws of administration and sequestration and the ins and outs of how it all works and how he can make his money from it?

Today CW announces that after the club comes out of administration he'll step down and walk away leaving his shares to the fans and that he will make nothing from it, hmmmm I think not!! It's getting closer and closer to what I suggested beforehand that he will make a tidy little penny from this whole situation.

I don't agree that they should be stripped of honours, it's not the players and fans fault that the running of the club was carried out the way it was, they went out and done their job and were successful, yes you'll say that without the financial gain they wouldn't have had those players and therefore may not have been as good and as successful but that's all ifs and buts. If you strip them of the titles who do you award them to? Do you award them to anyone at all? All in all it becomes a total farce.

Portsmouth won the FA Cup then went into administration not that long afterwards, clearly due to not being able to pay their bills, putting aside whether it was PAYE, Tax, VAT or day to day bills should they be stripped of that title? I am sure if I went and researched it I would find other cases like this but this is the other more high profile case I can think of.

Just putting it out there but is it feasible to argue that teams that who are in debt or have overdrafts are living outwith their means and are therefore cheating, they are making use of money that is otherwise not theirs in order to either supplement the on field team or keep the club going, where do you stop with all this?

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1st ICT: Foran

1st Opp: Davis

Crowd: 5973

The mathematics unless my sums are wrong are that

Dunfermline need 3 wins + a turn around of a 19 goal difference in there remaining 11 games(their next game v celtic)

whilst Caley gain no more points from 12 games !(our next easy 3 pointer v gers)

Safe enough dya think ?

I would rather wait until it was mathematically impossible for us to go down to talk about it than sumise over ifs n butts and ins n outs.

To answer your question though I really don't see us going down, not compared to Dunfermline anyway, a team that haven't won at home all season cannot stay up contrary to what Jim MacIntyre says

Disappointed we couldn't take three points today but at least it wasn't a defeat and keeps the big gap between ourselves and Dunfermline

Another goal conceaded just before the end of a half!!! Seriously how many times, when are we going to learn

That is a bad bit of the raod and from memory therea re ice warning signs all over that area, glad your ok and didn't have any injuries but it really is a stretch they should be gritting all the time especially as there have been snow warnings for days leading up to the weekend

............ anyway football time lol, great chance for us to get three points today, come on the ICT.

Rangers are 1-0 down to Killie, be interesting to see how they react to it especially after the week they've had

PS: apologies for any spelling mistakes in the above thread, I forgot to spell check it haha

Craig Whyte in my opinion new exactly what he was doing when he bought Rangers over from Sir David Murray, he in my opinion looked at a business that was facing some massive debts namely the 'big case' with the HMRC and had it all in his mind that he would run the club into administration in order to strip the club back, get rid of the debts owed and then sell the club on to one if his other companies and then overtime take the club back through some legal loophole.

Look at what he has done with other companies, he's a man who steps into the helm of an ailing business, puts them into administration and then makes his money from it. I think he massively underestimated just how much public interest there would be in Rangers going into administration and the close scrutiny that would be put into it by all involved and all in the media.

Rangers have massive assetts not to mention Ibrox Stadium that would be one of the very last things to be sold off to service debts not to mention that the main stand is a listed building which hikes up the value, even if the club is stripped back and left to the bare bones with the debt serviced Ibrox Stadium still remains an asset and that alone would give him his money back and more.

it's no coinsidence that one of the administrators has had a seat in the directors box since Whyte took over and it would not shock me to find out that Whyte was seeking the services and advice from administrators from the minute he stepped foot into the club, from the outset of administration it is usually clear whether a club/business will survive and they came out within a matter of days and said that they see no reason why Rangers cannot continue on as a club now and for the future to come. Also it's not as easy to suddenly get administrators in to take up the case especially in the circumstances that came about on Tuesday with the HMRC calling it to the courts, this in my opinion also shows they have been there in the background ready to take up the administration as and when it happened.

Yes the administrators are answerable to the courts but lets be clear about it, they are a business in their own rights and stand to make a tidy little amount from the administration of Rangers not to mention taking them out of it which will ultimately happen.

The 'big case' with the HMRC is a bit of an unknown to all and the totals are not really known, I have read that the unpaid tax bill is £24m with about £12m interest added on then fines to be added on top of that decided by the courts but then that's only rough but where it looks favourable in certain ways for Rangers even if they lose the HMRC have came out and stated beore the administration that they would allow Rangers to make servicable payments to the debt to allow them to continue trading as a club, all of tyhis Whyte new but he has backed himself into a massive corner with what he has done since he took over the club and clealy any leway that the HMRC where willing to go to may now be severly strained.

There are two people to ultimately blame for the problems that Rangers face, Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte - DM from the ridiculous bad management during his term and CW for the way he has run the club since he took over, one thing I would say in DMs defence is that he always maintained that he would only sell Rangers to who he believed was the best man that had the best interests of the club to heart but his hand was forced by the bank and he was made to sell up hence whyit went for £1 as CW took over the £18m debt. Rangers at the time were actually servicing that debt well and reducing it quite considerably monthly but not quick enough for the bank which now makes the whole situation even more ludicrous and so difficult to understand.

It's no coincidence that he sacked half of the old board after taking over including a very influencial Martin Bain who is much reveared in what he does and steared Rangers almost single handidly for 3 years before CW took over. Was it that they knew exactly what CW was going to do or what he had in mind and didn't agree with it or didn't want part of it and threatened to blow the lid on his plans? No one knows but it all looks very very suspicious.

I would not be surprised to see Martin Bain back at Rangers in some capacity after CW has moved on after the administration with a new board and owner in place because there is no way CW can continue in the capacity he has, not to mention the fact that he could soon be facing criminal charges should any wrong doing be discovered which looks ever inceasingly likely.

I'm not sure winning a case because witnesses didn't show up to court really constitutes a 'great result' in my eyes.

Sorry exCaley player or not, if your caught in possesion of any type of drugs then you deserve the punishment that comes to you, just because he's a footballer doesn't make him immune. Yes you'll say it was only alledged however for cases to go to court, and pardon the pun, there has to at least be some substance to it.

It's not a case of brining in more players to make us go bust. We've got a lot of players who might well not be renewing contracts at ICT. If Golobart, Williams, Gillet, Piermayr, Proctor and Tokely all leave at the end of their contracts, we'll have to bring in players from somewhere. Why not look at the likes of Perry then for the back four if he's released? Sure, he might be kept on. But he might not. Nothng wrong with keeping an eye out.

I agree with what you're saying however you base this on players leaving at the end of the season and us needing players then for the forth coming season, Rangers don't have until then and need to act now and shed the load on them now. Players like Perry and Ness will never be available come the end of the season should they be released from contracts now as other bigger teams who can afford them now will make their move and bring them in as free agents. That is what I based my opinion on

We've all seen the ramifications of living outwith your means and we all know also how tight the purse strings at ICT are so do we really want to see them burst or stretched to the full just because some players may be available?

I can see why people are discussing about certain players that the administrators at Rangers will terminate contracts off but tbh honest I see none of them that will either be in our league or will even come upto the Highlands. We are talking abouts players like Laffertey, Papac, Aluko and Healey due to the short length of time left on their contracts and also players like McGregor, Davis, Naismith and Goian due to the possibilty of bringing in transfer money from them.

I see no reason for the administrators to get rid of promising youngsters who would be on a wage that would be seen as sustainable for Rangers from now and the future, they need to if they want the club to continue on in the current format set proper foundations down and these players people have spoken about are the very ones that they will probably start these foundations with. Even if they try to keep some of the bigger players I still don't see players like Ness, Hutton and Perry being let go over players like McCulloch and the above.

I personally would rather see ICT stay strict with their budgets and push on with the business model they have and not jepordise that for one or two players who we wouldn't ultimately have looked at should this situation not have come around as they would have been outwith our reach. At a time when people are talking about Rangers being extremely stupid and short sighted we would be doing the very same in essence if we broke our own boundaries because of someone elses misfortune and mismanagement.