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1 hour ago, caleyboy said:

Or maybe he should take note and do exactly the same. I also read that he has not asked for any compo. Respect.

Aye but I bet Moyes had compo from his six year man u deal to fall back on. Much like RF will have from his ICT 4 year deal after his next sacking 

Interesting but reading for me hints at player reluctance to embrace change. Maybe some truth in bad apples quote from RF? Remember an Alex McLeish interview when he complained about being up against lots of players in his zone. Jock Stein answer something like - only one player can head the ball make sure it's you. Sometimes players get to much credit for being able to work things out for themselves and thinking they know best rather than doing what they're telt.  Players thinking they know better is a bad recipe. Looks like the club may need more than a management reboot on the playing side. Director plotting with players, if true, is the sort of amatuerish nonsense you get in the Highland league. 

That explanation of Fisher absence makes sense but points to RF inexperience to handle the managerial position and a tendency to not have a controlled temperament /thought process when reacting to situations. Evidenced by the fact Fisher did play again. As HawkeyeTheGnu points out lack of money has a part to play but a good manager will understand the financial constraints adjust his approach to reflect those constraints. Easy way to lose respect in dressing room. And presumably contracts should be written to address these type of situations rather than letting manager have a rant?

So is "Caley jags together" no more and this is a new faction?

I think there would be a lot of people interested. Every year more footballers retire and a management career is potentially longer than a playing one so masterminding an ICT recovery will be a draw for someone with a bit if ambition. (And preferably management / coaching & playing  track record). Or the Ian Cathro route? After all, recent history suggests we're an established SPFL club which has maybe lost it's way after Yogi events which lead to a poor managerial appointment in RF.

Mulraney out at best he's a late impact player and contributed little after half time imo. Probably bring back polworth.  Otherwise leave the team alone...have to keep checking myself to remember the odds and form are well and truly stacked against a miracle.

From what I've seen journeyman with injury niggles. Not worth an ICT contract offer.

I think there are too many uncertainties around club finances (are they good or bad? What liabilities or even benefits are lurking that fans don't know about?) More importantly I doubt ictfc have the fanbase to support even a small fan ownership group just on the basis it would be an even smaller% of fans who would commit money compared to small numbers at our games. And then you still need to find cash to run a club after paying for a right to be involved. It's also difficult to detach the hospice need for support from hard nosed business decisions which means you would expect to pay over the odds for that particular shareholding (or maybe that's why I'm not a millionaire).

Dundee Utd would be the "big team" amongst that lot if they don't sneak up this season. Otherwise it could be quite a tight league top to bottom although a min 4 games against each of these teams already feels stale. 

7 hours ago, Scarlet Pimple said:

Just a quick comment about Richie's team selections. When they are bad enough they can have some devastating psychological  impacts that can also lead to daily depression, even deep, unquenchable anger. It's the constant pain and depression factors that are the hardest to overcome.

In the early days, just after the gubbing happens, just getting about within a small area , such as a home, is a constant struggle. Also being used to collecting eniugh points these gubbings can bring you down to a different level of challenge. " Why us?" is a question we ask on more than one occasion .Irrational, of course, but your mental and physical systems are altered because the effects of a gubbing restricts you in many different ways, reminding you of your teams vulnerability and new frailty. In this circumstance, just getting dressed and preparing to go out is difficult and the thought of going "all the way down": to the club is a major thought, even a worry.

When you are there (at the club, say), for sure the pain is likely to increase because you know what's coming and the question is .." Is Richie inspiring anyone at all, and how long can I stand the cold and the drizzle, etc, etc? Oh well. next time I will stay at home and rest...etc.

Some of these surrenders by our players have been really daunting and some DO take a very long time to heal and we worry they can re-occur at any future time.  And that's a buried  fear that  can nag at you even as time goes on. You think you are finally over the hump and one sloppy pass back can just ruin your day.

I think most of us would much rather be in the pub instead of hanging around waiting for a miracle to happen to  make our day.

 

Scarlet Pimple this wee tweak is what you should have said surely?

You make a fair point about injuries if they are major (breaks, etc) but you really need to stop molly coddling the players. Remember Richie needs real men 

Can't believe Richie's still in post and still looking for nasty guys to "man up". Sometimes it may be better to stop talking.

1 hour ago, cif73 said:

I really don't understand this having to pay out the remainder of manager contracts. Would love to know the employment law position. In any other walk of life, complete ineptitude is not rewarded by paying off the said employee for x number of years while they sit back with pipe and slippers and someone new has to pick up the pieces.  

If the club can't afford a pay off then maybe there is another role until the contract runs out...just NOT coaching

41 minutes ago, TomCaleyJag said:

I missed this as I was watching on BT Sport.. Summarise for me?

There was a lot to take in and Barry Wilson was chipping in too so between them both they touched on .squad size too big, no opportunities for U20's, players wages structure, lack of proper scouting network, concern in youth for about job security, players signed without someone looking at them, an SPL club selling merchandise out of a portakabin, no crowd bounce despite cup win, Foran saying he  "needs men" - Charlie rubbishing that and saying we need committed footballers. "Defending is the easy bit of the game". RF wanting a team of 11 RF's. Lack of a team shape, trying to play with a no 10 using players who aren't no10's. Losing the dressing room. Not investing transfer windfalls. What was going wrong tactically on the night. Comparison with slicker club operation at County. Some fans having unrealistic expectations. Recognition of Roy McGregor and plea for ICTFC benefactor to step forward. I sensed he was as angry as the rest of us.  There was just no doubting his passion for club and disappointment. Really was a must listen. 

Agree with topic. Enough is enough.

As a straight managerial replacement I might have swallowed this bitter pill. Is Brian Rice the problem?- not convinced. Hopefully I'll look back on this and laugh at how daft I was still calling for the managers head, we will know very soon.. 

Richie says we just need to kick it and chase it.

Cameras at the game may only have stopped one goal. Web cameras for the last board meeting ...now that may have been more interesting. 

There have been better and greater players than RF that have been stick-ons to make the step up to management after their playing days and have failed. I believe he has lost the dressing room now and there is no way back for ICT without an immediate departure.  I remember feeling quite positive after RF's first interview when he announced ICT were going to attack. What I didn't realise was he meant in the way kids do when they're playing about with their team formations on the playstation and try a 10 player charge for the hell of it. The naivety of our play has been cruelly exposed and that is because our experienced players are not being directed properly. This won't change in a lower division. Football is a privileged job and you can either do it or you can't and if you can't,  you join the rat race like the rest of us.

Jeepers were you guys all at the phsycotherapy session too. Positivety is fine but it's tactics we need for 6 boring one nil wins and I'm not convinced the board / RF has grasped that point. Hoping I'm wrong, starting today. 

Go

I've given the manager the benefit of the doubt until now but we were tactically naive today and i can't help feeling some of the manager speak about aggression passion heart from the players is masking a more fundamental and incurable problem resting within the club management. Time for an immediate change.

Raven, Laing, McCart ,Tremarco to keep us up.

Feel Mckay is caught out of position too often and tends to drift to centre ( that maybe because where he plays changes weekly.) Thought he was a fine at first but not so sure anymore.

Warren way off it just now. See also ground made up by Laing on Warren during Dembele's 2nd  on Wed. (Although I think one of them should have been 10 yards behind one another rather than 10 apart but square)

Meekings contract silence says it all, we know the script by now. I think he's off.

McNaughton 2nd choice to Raven. 

Great result. Rode our luck at some points but to a man team battled and pushed to make their own luck for the result. Shame McCart has to  sit out next game against his parent club.

Mckay and Anier worked well together and really did put in a shift. McCart had a few bombscare moments with clearance sclafs but no more than rest of our back 4. He had a physical challenge dealing with Dundee's Haber. (Who's a big lad) but I feel he was bossed in that 1-1 but I think Haber physicality will trouble a lot of teams. Ryan Esson looked like he"d not played in a while. Pass back kicking very poor. I'd like to be a fly on wall when he and David raven try and explain that injury time indirect free kick in our box to Richie. 0-2 at half time was harsh but self inflicted due to slack marking. Can't fault the effort of anyone in team. We could have been suckered today but weren't ....possibly some lucky breaks . Have we turned the corner? Hope so. 

Ofw

Mackay McCart Warren Tremarco

Doran draper Tansey polworth

Billy Henri

Dave raven looks like he needs time to get back to his best or his legs have gone (and yogi was right!)

Polworth has a bit of pace when he can be bothered so ahead of vigurs who has better touch..sometimes

I was an easy No vote. That's my gut, then I started questioning that. But, in our relegation season we collected 37 pts. Average for play off spot since we joined top flight 36 points. So 5 wins and 5 park the bus draw performances will do? That's possible, still time. #positive spin or deluded