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The concept of punishing the new company is in many way a balance against the favourable treatment which the new club is receiving in being allowed to re-enter the SFL without a) having been a club for the prescribed number of years and b) having applied and been considered as part of an open process (i.e. no Highland League club for example could have applied for a vacant position).

In this case, the Newco has been admitted on a non-standard basis and to avoid there being a potential benefit to a club in setting aside debts including most importantly (to the SFA, etc) football debts.

There are a few other points of detail around the above, however I view this point as being relatively straight forward (although Jim Traynor appears to have an issue with the concept of Newco have actually receiving preferential treatment in their application to the SFL).

I have some tendancy towards agreeing with the inconsistency regarding the historical record of the club not being viewed as having transferred also. Setting aside emotion, the Newco have bought the assets of the club including the name and by inference the goodwill which prevails with this. On this basis, it can be reasonably considered that the history is also transferred with the goodwill.

Again, there are some technical arguements which counter this view, however on balance it is probably correct to view the Newco Club as retaining the traditions and history of the old Club through the transfer of the intangible element of the assets.

However we will set the above aside for the shear entertainment value in accusing Newco fans of having no history

Just when you think things will settle down, we know have the innocent ones objecting to the appointment of Harper MacLeod for the EBT investigation as the are clearly celticfootballclub minded

The article has been somewhat lacking in detail in terms of what the alleged suspicious behaviour was.

The woman walking her dog who saw the behaviour got quite a shock I understand! As the site is read by children.................

do we have any " fringe " players in our small squad?

There are a couple of player with dodgy haircuts

We need a very serious cash injection so we need change at the top! The whole club needs a boost to encourage people to support their local team not dwellers or 3rd divi newboys!

So we are not to be dependant on the old firm, we can't be dependant it seems on the fans, so the answer is for some unknown investor to come in and solve our problems?

Fan power, apart from when it comes to dipping hands into pockets?

Bought mine from Diggers (Barbers) many moons ago, very good book on the history of Caley

Artistic license in describing digger as a barber perhaps?

Man who sold the pools may have been more accurate??

I do have to say that I can agree with McCoist re the complete and utter incompetence of the SFA hierarchy.....and I'd include the SPL and SFL hierarchies in that as well. Maybe about time there was a Scottish Football Fan Facebook page entitled......KIck out all the Arseholes running Scottish Football now, and elect people who actually have the ability to consider that Scottish Football is not best served by Arselicking sectarianism for money.

Perhaps we'll not agree too much with the man who has managed to ignore the fact that he was warned by people such as Walter Smith not to get involved with Whyte and then claimed he knew nothing.

The same man who demanded that an independant panel should be named, presumably to allow the low life to make threats against them and their families.

And the same person who within the last 10 days has in essence said that cheats should be allowed to keep their trophies.

I would agree that wholesale change is needed both in structure and in the people who are running it. Perhaps giving fans, who for example Jonny Hayes said last week "showed their passion" by trying to start a fight with opposition fans for no reason other than their following a different team, cart blanch to have a say may not necessarily lead to the outcome the more reasonably minded are looking for.

Caley refusnik now Rangers supporter,

Hang on a minute... let's get this straight.

Back in 1994 poor old Buenos Hadji, due to scruples regarding the loss of his Highland League team, "declines" to associate himself with a new club which then progressed to the SPL in a decade. Instead he decides to become a lifelong supporter of another club which now finds itself in the Third Division, from which the club he declined to back moved on as champions all of 15 years ago.

Talk about a magnet for lost causes!

I really hope he doesn't bet on the horses!! :lol:

I suppose he has swapped "On a Life Support Machine" for a club that is just about on a Life Support Machine!

Seems reasonable that SPL need money from TV to pay £2m to SFL.

Someone needs to point out to Sevco's Manager that they have never won any trophies so they will not lose anything. Old Rangers (of whom he is no longer employed by) may lose a few though if found guilty of cheating

Taking the wee man in his new strip

We have just seen our two top scorers move to teams who offered more money and cannot afford to replace these players is surely more accurate.

Now that we have even less money then how do you expect this to get better?

So we do not wish to be dependant on income from Newco and it appears that the club cannot be dependant on income from fans.

Who are we to be dependant on? Perhaps a loan from the Bank of Integrity?

Luckily (?) I have missed much of this saga over the past week due to being out of the country.

It has been pointed out that a number of SPL clubs still have season ticket sales less than last season and I would not be surprised if we are in the same situation. Now that 'integrity' has won the day, it is vital for all fans to pull behind their teams in the short term to mitigate the financial impact.

Following on from this, real and positive change is needed to remove the imbalance in finance and try and improve the overall product.

Whilst it is great for armchair assassin with keyboards to point the fingers at anyone and everyone within the club, we need to be clear that we have neither created this situation nor tried to manipulate the situation for our benefit. This cannot be said of a number of parties and individuals involved in the saga. Actual action in terms of buying tickets and other forms of support for the club are necessary over the coming days.

Debt is not the only issue in amongst this and short term liquidity issues may impact on the team which is put together for next season (I think we would all like to see one or two further additions to the team). The fact that a number of backers have indicated their support is of some comfort, however the reality is that there will be impacts on the budgets and outlays.

We cannot ask for immediate statements on matters, and then when statements are given demand that the clubs just keeps quiet. The statement issued was badly worded in terms of excessively emotive language, however the actual reading always indicated that the issues were considering immediate actions to balance income against expenditure and stating disappointment that reconstruction was off the table.

Finally, I don't agree with this wave of opinion that the SFL have acted in the good of the game. Much of the issues are retribution for the SPL being created and allowing some small clubs to behave in a big way. The SPL is flawed in its basic structure around the old firm, however please remember the nonsense in which the SFL allocated monies, etc prior to the SPL's being where a small club received only marinaglly less than teams at the top with decisions being taking (in a similar way to the SFA) by people with petty agendas from the periphery of the game. These were the same people who for years prevented Highland presence in the top flight for their own benefit.

This is an excellent gesture from the club. I, however, dont intend to claim the discount voucher. I expected to pay the full price anyway and the club need the money more than I do.

I hope the Builder and the rest of the Fat Cats in the black seats do exactly the same Alex ( that's if they actually buy season tickets which I very much doubt)

That'll be some of the 'Fat Cats' who have injected hundreds of

Interesting reading. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9376851/Rangers-hopes-of-reprieve-in-SPL-vote-sunk-by-arrogant-Malcolm-Murray.html

I personally dont think Malcolm Murray destroyed Rangers chances of staying in the SPL it was already decided

You are probably correct that in the main the decision had been taken, however there appears to have been yet another example of lack of humility from Rangers, their officers and indeed their fans.

They (as a club) seem to miss the point that it is their own actions which have created this situation and everyone is going to suffer as a result.

To date, the only punishment against the club itself is a 10 point deduction. Other punishments are either against individuals or subject to further appeal (following the legal case).

If I get this correct, Rangers fans seem to be suggesting that Newco should have been allowed to enter the SPL with no debts and no further punishment (remember the pour souls have had the 'humiliation' of administration and liquidation). I'm sure that this option will have been gladly taken up by Kilmarnock and others to get rid of the cost of servicing their own debts.

The other clubs have been left in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. It was even suggested earlier by one ex-footballer that Rangers must be allowed to sign players immediately (even though they are not in any league at the moment), because otherwise it was putting at risk their chances of promostion from Division 1.

The whole situation would be improved greatly if fans from outwith the old firm actively backed (and are seen to be actively backing) their clubs financially at the moment (just see the number of people on other threads giving every reason possible as to why they are not renewing their season tickets.

Regan's comments certainly appear to add weight to the 'Celtic minded' element who have always believed that the SFA are principally there to protect Rangers.

The SFA 'will not allow' Rangers to be relegated to the 3rd Division?

In amongst all the debate re placing Newco into the 1st Division, at what point do Rangers (sorry I meant the SFA) inform the SFL that every team other than Rangers is to be given a 60 point penalty to ensure that Rangers also get promoted?

Kilmarnock have debts of just over £11m which they are servicing albeit at a very low interest rate at the moment.

From recollection they had a small operating profit last FY, however I suspect that with reduction in income and no realistic means to reduce the bank held debt (overdraft and loans) they may well be the first in trouble.

There clearly has been more that just Doncaster at play in the background and some clubs need to ask what their Executive Officers have been up to over the past few days.

Doncaster has been shown to be out of touch with the wider members interests and views during this whole episode and surely continuing in his role must be in untenable.

In his clip where he passes things over to the SFL and SFA, he once more seems to be a step behind in that there is no mechanism for an additional club moving from the SFL to the SPL. Rather than sitting back, I suspect that there needs to be proactive action in progressing the filling of the the Club 12 position which is now available.

Papa Adams tells us all of his wonderful financial restraint in today's Sunday Mail.

If its all the same, I'll not take any lessons in financial probity from one of the alleged EBT benificiaries (by the BBC).

What's that saying involving brass and the thing which connects your head to your shoulders?

Think you have that wrong, the plan is to upgrade the Kincraig overtaking lane to Dual Carriageway. Labour/Liberal's had 8 years in power and did nothing! Then in the SNP's first term all other parties outvoted the SNP on their plans and WASTED all the money on the Edinburgh Trams! At least there is a plan in place now although it will take many years to complete, during that time we will have to be patient and drive with care.

I am no foot soldier for any party so will avoid getting dragged in lab/lib failings.

Having had a chance to see the full announcement, you are correct the section is now to be upgraded to dual. The Kincraig to Dalraddy upgrade to 2+1 was part of the 2003 programme with a target start date of c2012.

So more is being done but later than proposed

Announced today that work will start on A9 two years earlier than first planned. So expect a couple of years of long delays between Dunkeld and Perth

SNP choose to announce an existing scheme (in fact dates back to the days of labour) which was once in the programme to start this year? How to try and move the goalposts to make it seem like they are speeding things up.

It is also a 2+1 and not dual carriageway

As Gordon Waddell stated in his column yesterday, will the fans demanding (correctly) that Rangers are not voted back in stand with their club and replace the lost income (or is this all about getting one over on the old firm)?

The concept that a cronie led self important organisation attempting to force an imbalanced and flawed top flight to merge with cronie led disfunctional lower leagues does not exactly guarantee that we will be in a better place with whatever single organisation they come up with.

Just to be clear, I am not making an argument for accepting a Rangers NewCo into the SPL here. What I am asking is that will fans be as passionate about fighting for the survival of the club if such a move doesn't transpire as they have been about giving their opinions on what should happen?

I think the answer was a pretty clear 'No' when this question was articulated on your recent thread.

I will start by stating that, on balance, I am of the opinion that Rangers should probably not be re-admitted directly. This said, I am also very clear as to the immediate and future impacts of this situation.

I find it very hard to take a positive view on many of the comments posted which appear to almost take delight out of the situation. The number of supporters who seem to be pleased to boast as to how they are going to punish the Club (though non-renewal of season tickets, etc) as their mechanism to make comment on the actions of others does nothing to ameliorate the sense that there is a complete lack of realisation as to the likely impact of the situation.

As things stand, recruitment of players will already be impacted as many players will be unwilling to sign for the club not knowing whether there will be fixtures against Rangers nor indeed knowing the likely impact of budget reductions due to reduced income.

As a club, we are already losing amounts on an annual basis and the positive benefit of potentially two sell out fixtures against Ross County has the potential to be offset by events, and to be clear for those already asking why we didn't offer Tokely 'the earth' to stay, the sums in question have the potential to equate to the equivalent to five or six first team players to be cut from the playing budget.

To go back to your original point, how many people will be willing to have an increase of say 25% on the cost of entry to a game to avoid the potential for financial spreading to ICT? The answer would appear to be very few (though I suppose we could always take the Ed Balls approach of trying to increase our expenditure as a means of reducing a budget deficit)!

Caley legend shows 'respect' for fans by signing for rivals??