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Was this Owngolobart's 3rd OG for us?

Ironically, the fans player of the month, best out of a bad bunch

I think pathetic sums up that performance and that might even be an understatement. Again with this comment people will argue but for me personally, Butcher is NOT the man for the job.

4-3 Pars. Even though they're losing they at least still sound as if they're fighting, where as we sound like we can't be ersed! They've got more to fight for or we're just not very good at all and lucky for them?

I think the current squad is fine and all we need is three things, a striker, a centre forward and a goal scorer.

And if we can't manage that we could always follow the example of the FC Magdeburg fans who felt the need to show their misfiring forwards where the goal is!

Brilliant!! Can we get bigger arrows?!

Players to get rid off in red, players to keep in blue.

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Aldred, Tom

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What has happened to Tom Aldred anyway? Is he injured?

Went in a huff and packed his bags because TB realised he had got a stinker of a player.

http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/Sport/Football/Tansey-knows-ICT-players-can-give-more.htm

Greg Tansey giving me reason to believe that this ICT squad will be ok...

"Perhaps it was complacency, I don’t know, but we looked a bit nervous when we went 1-0 up," he said. "We’ve gifted them three goals really.

"I think there was definitely a lack of composure.

"It just seemed like we were a bit nervy and even though we still had chances, we still weren’t ruthless enough.

"We have dominated the game, yet we’ve come out if it with nothing."

This actually scares me a little if they can't put their finger on why the ar*e fell out of them a 1-0 up!

The difference between success and failure is a thin line. This forum is awash with negativity at the moment as a result of 2 very disappointing defeats but things could have been very different. After a stirring win at Aberdeen we were very poor against St Johnstone but could easily have won: we had the better chances, we hit the bar and 2 penalty incidents went the wrong way. We played much better against Hibs, again having more chances but simply failing to take them. We could and should have won that but were unlucky to be up against a side who managed to take their chances when they came. We could easily have been reflecting on 9 points in 9 days and the talk would have been about whether we could equal our highest ever finish for the 2nd season in a row.

And to some extent, I think this sums up our season. We have not had the rub of the green. Penalty decisions have gone against us, red card decisions have gone against us and there are certainly far more times we drew or lost games we should have won than the other way round. Our well documented injury problems have obviously not helped the cause. What I am saying here is that we nearly have a very good side and if the luck had been with us over the season as much as it has been against us then we would be in the top six. No, it is not just the last 2 games fortune has not been on our side, it is the whole season.

But before I am pounced on for being a happy clapper (if only some others would clap their team a bit more often) I have to say that to some extent, you make your own luck. Losing games you should have won is not just down to luck, it is about the other team scoring more goals than you. There has been some poor defending and undoubtedly injuries have not helped here. The defence more than any other part of the team needs to work as a unit and that needs consistency of team selection. But even when players are available, Butcher switches things around just because someone makes an error one week. He seems to have no faith in any line up and then slates them when things go wrong. It's hardly going to help the players to be composed in their role at the back. Butcher must take responsibility for that. And whilst on the subject of defenders, there can be little doubt that we are a poorer side without Munro and Butcher must take responsibility for him not being here.

But it is not the defence that is the real problem, it is the attack. To some extent (but not much) I have sympathy with Butcher here. Everyone says that being an effective striker is a confidence thing (look at Torres and Carroll in England!) and that you need to let your strikers have a decent run in the side and the goals will come. Butcher has done that with Tade and MacKay but unfortunately the goals have not come. But in fairness to the players, part of that is simply the wrong tactics. Tade is too wide and long balls are hoofed up to Mackay - poor lad doesn;t have a chance. What Mackay needs is balls on the deck and he so nearly scored a good goal on Sunday when Hayes played him in with a cracking through ball. More service like that and I am sure MacKay will score. If Tade is playing he needs to be the target with Mackay playing off him.

And I don't for the life of me understand why Butcher plays Sutherland the way he does. I think he could play the Rooney role well. He's often got a good first touch, he can hold the ball up and he can turn and shoot well. Play him as the target with MacKay playing off him and we'll do better. Bring Tade on as an impact sub to terrorise tiring defences and he'll always keep a couple of defenders busy when the opposition is trying to chase the game. And what of Winnall? Who knows? He just isn't given the chance which seems extraordinary given the lack of goals in recent weeks. We may not have the greatest strikers in the league but Butcher is certainly not making the best use of them.

I don't think there is much wrong with the midfield and I think the number of chances we have created over the season bears witness to that. But again we seem to get change for change's sake and are never quite sure what the team is going to be. The players need consistency to avoid there being too much pressure on them and so that they can gel. By the way, I think there is too much criticism on here of Tansey. Whilst he has been hugely disappointing with his free kicks, he plays some pretty inteligent balls and a lot of the chances we create involve him in the build up. He's not the best we've ever had, but we've had worse.

So whilst as I say, we are nearly a good team, we've still got a little way to go. Yes we have not enjoyed the best of luck, but for me, the biggest reason is down to the manager. I think he has done well to bring in the quality of player he has, given the financial constraints he is working under (a point people tend to forget), but he is not making the best use of the players once he gets them. His team selections are irratic, his tactics can be naiive and his substitutions can be baffling. I don't get the sense that team spirit is particularly good and that is hardly surprising given the lack of consistency around selection and the extent to which players are asked to play out of position and are then publicly castigated when it doesn't work. He also seems to be stubborn and can't see when he is wrong - and one suspects he does not tolerate the players suggesting he might be wrong once in a while.

There is no doubt that Butcher is a charismatic figure and I am sure he is a great asset to the club in terms of profile, but in terms of his managerial credentials there are huge question marks. Given my criticism of him here, it is almost surprising that we are not struggling below Dunfermline at the foot of the table. But the fact that we could still end up comfortably in mid table indicates that there are several things he gets right.

For me the jury is still out. As far as this season is concerned, I think we should write it off as one to forget but I think the Board should be concerned and should be sitting down with Butcher and Malpas to discuss certain issues. This season was meant to be the start of a new approach but it is fair to say that it has been derailed to some extent by factors outwith his control. It is highly unlikely that we will be as unlucky next season as we have been this. I expect us to do better next season and I will reserve my judgement on whether Butcher is the man for the job until this time next season.

Great post, it's nice to see an analytical argument rather than reactive which I myself have been guilty of sometimes.

To me I see Butcher as exactly that, a butcher of a good ICT squad. No doubt there is talent in there but his use of tactics and man management have often been deplorable. As for injuries, I often wonder if this has something to do with training as we all remember Brewsters extra work training sometimes hindered progress due to players becoming more susceptible to injuries as a result of it.

I can't see what he see's in McKay and Tade as he claims to not like the long ball game but week after week it becomes exactly that game for us. Once you cross that white line yes it's in the players hands, but 15 minutes in the middle is precisely the time where you should be drilling it into them it is not acceptable. These are two 'strikers' who can barely strike a bar door.

But the midfield are to blame also as if there is no service to the front two then they can't do their job, so why are the midfield looked at as to be pretty good? They are also responsible for taking the pressure off the back four, it's a tough job, and they are not doing it. We have Foran who spends more time screaming than passing, and Tansey who would be better off kicking in rugby. The posts are a lot higher for him to aim at. I cannot defend Tansey at all. Favouritism has crept into this squad horribly this season for these four players mentioned and that is Butchers fault.

And the back four comes down to The Munro equation. ICT - Munro = a poor poor excuse for a defensive team. Butcher was a defender by trade but seems to have forgotten everything about it.

There is a huge huge huge part of this season that has come down to Dunfermline and a season spent looking over our shoulders to see how they are doing. Also Butchers talk of top 6. It's a bad bad way to spend a season. Right now if we survive then Butcher has to take a look at HIMSELF as well as the team and additions to that team. If nothing by the start of the season and into December has been done then I'm afraid he's for the chop (way!)

Being very wee and heading to Telford Street on a cold winters afternoon and getting to play on the pitch at half time with other kids, hooked for life after that!

Don't miss that bloody wall that was the 'toilet' though!

From reading a couple of sources of the post match interview with TB I still feel upset that he never mentions the strikers lack of prowess at all. With disregard to the 'long ball game' he apparently does not ask them to play (someones clearly not listening then) they are doing nothing up front to warrant selection! I don't know if it's because TB is a former defender and that's what he concentrates on? And if so badly! But something needs to be done in our attacking line ups.

This is a ridiculous oversight and I would love to see some stats if anyone can get their hands on some, on just how many shots on goal and/or chances on goal that we have had this season compared to goals scored. Without checking I know that the former will be ridiculously high in comparison to the latter, and yes all teams can produce chances and not score but this current ICT squad are really taking it to new heights.

Can we do a Levein and play a 5-5 or 6-4 please? At least we may have more chance of not conceding goals as we're not scoring that many right now.

Tuffey - Esson keeping out of the team and rightly so but when he gets his chance has been a bit dodgy, lack of match games obviously in that but also he's a very expensive commodity

Foran - Not in his glory days at all yet still played week in week out, in wrong positions and because of TB who you would think if he brought him in would know what was best

Cox - Arguably a match for Black, no complaints there

Gillet - Dodgy at the best of times

Golobart - Scored the best own goal ever and has inconsistency written all over him

Tansey - IMO one of the worst players we've ever signed

Tade - Headless chicken and if you compare how many goals he's scored to how many guilt edged chances he's missed then it adds up to a poor player

Dorans - Injured

Meekings - Liability

A.Shinnie - Great player who took a while to find his stride but injured unfortunately

Davis - No interest in playing FOR us (e.g. the mentality and history of the club but then again why should he) and poor a lot of the time

Younger players - yes he has brought them in....to sit on the bench or get 5-10 mins a game or the rare ineffective start

Poor signing, sorry LOAN, players I think

or

Tuffey - great back up to esson one of the best no 2's in the league

Foran - gave us 2 very good seasons up front with rooney was key in our promotion push

Cox - Arguably a match for Black, no complaints there

Gillet - mr composure

Golobart - shakey start but has proved to be a great young centre half

Tansey - mr consistent week in week out still young can only improve

Tade - a threat no matter what

Dorans - had a sinsilating 6 month loan has another year to comback and perhaps replace hayes

Meekings - 19 years old can only improve had a great start

A.Shinnie - Great player who took a while to find his stride but injured unfortunately

Davis - a man with so much ability proven by the fact hes playing premiership and was brilliant for us

and out of the players hes brought through gavin morrisons the only player that hasnt played 30+ games

Tade - A threat... to all Caley fans sanity

Tansey?! Are you serious??? I cannot for the life of me see how he is a good player!

And just to add Gnapka and Winnall. TB brought them in, why not play them? Because he knows he's made mistakes?

Tuffey - Esson keeping out of the team and rightly so but when he gets his chance has been a bit dodgy, lack of match games obviously in that but also he's a very expensive commodity

Foran - Not in his glory days at all yet still played week in week out, in wrong positions and because of TB who you would think if he brought him in would know what was best

Cox - Arguably a match for Black, no complaints there

Gillet - Dodgy at the best of times

Golobart - Scored the best own goal ever and has inconsistency written all over him

Tansey - IMO one of the worst players we've ever signed

Tade - Headless chicken and if you compare how many goals he's scored to how many guilt edged chances he's missed then it adds up to a poor player

Dorans - Injured

Meekings - Liability

A.Shinnie - Great player who took a while to find his stride but injured unfortunately

Davis - No interest in playing FOR us (e.g. the mentality and history of the club but then again why should he) and poor a lot of the time

Younger players - yes he has brought them in....to sit on the bench or get 5-10 mins a game or the rare ineffective start

Poor signing, sorry LOAN, players I think

or

Tuffey - great back up to esson one of the best no 2's in the league

Foran - gave us 2 very good seasons up front with rooney was key in our promotion push

Cox - Arguably a match for Black, no complaints there

Gillet - mr composure

Golobart - shakey start but has proved to be a great young centre half

Tansey - mr consistent week in week out still young can only improve

Tade - a threat no matter what

Dorans - had a sinsilating 6 month loan has another year to comback and perhaps replace hayes

Meekings - 19 years old can only improve had a great start

A.Shinnie - Great player who took a while to find his stride but injured unfortunately

Davis - a man with so much ability proven by the fact hes playing premiership and was brilliant for us

and out of the players hes brought through gavin morrisons the only player that hasnt played 30+ games

Tade - A threat... to all Caley fans sanity

Tansey?! Are you serious??? I cannot for the life of me see how he is a good player!

Terry brought these guys in...so must have thought they were up to the job. How many of Terrys purchases have been a match/an improvement on what we already had? I think Johnny Hayes is one of the very few sucsess stories, but i cant recall if it was even terry who brought him in?

id say tuffey

foran

cox

gillet

golobart

tansey

tade

dorans

meekings

A.shinnie

tade

and davis have all been good signings.

its not just about signings hes brought shane, ross, shinnie and morrison all through from the youth set up.

Tuffey - Esson keeping out of the team and rightly so but when he gets his chance has been a bit dodgy, lack of match games obviously in that but also he's a very expensive commodity

Foran - Not in his glory days at all yet still played week in week out, in wrong positions and because of TB who you would think if he brought him in would know what was best

Cox - Arguably a match for Black, no complaints there

Gillet - Dodgy at the best of times

Golobart - Scored the best own goal ever and has inconsistency written all over him

Tansey - IMO one of the worst players we've ever signed

Tade - Headless chicken and if you compare how many goals he's scored to how many guilt edged chances he's missed then it adds up to a poor player

Dorans - Injured

Meekings - Liability

A.Shinnie - Great player who took a while to find his stride but injured unfortunately

Davis - No interest in playing FOR us (e.g. the mentality and history of the club but then again why should he) and poor a lot of the time

Younger players - yes he has brought them in....to sit on the bench or get 5-10 mins a game or the rare ineffective start

Poor signing, sorry LOAN, players I think

Sums up our season for me.

For 64 minutes we were excellent. We got our penalty which tbh for me is a pain in the arse because it means I have to change my signature and it didn't come to anything but it was great to see we have such a competent penalty taker.

For 64 minutes everyone from back to front( bar graeme shinnie who looked a stranger in the wide left position) we're superb but as soon as they got their first goal we crumbled.

It was a horrible way to lose but that sums

Up this season but overall it was a much better performance than the st Johnstone game and some of the football we played was sintilating and we really deserved to win

I'm sorry to have a go at you again mate and it really isn't personal as I don't know you but sometimes I do get the impression you watch a different game. Play well + still losing = awful problems on and off the pitch.

Post-match interview is accurate IMO.

Accurate maybe, but necessary to slag of individual mistakes? I guess BBC might have a word limit or time limit to their interviews but he could have at least mentioned the rest of the team. And if it really does encapsulate the season, then he has to admit his mistakes there as well.

Inverness Caledonian Thistle manager Terry Butcher : "That 90 minutes just encapsulated our season.

"In some parts, we were very good, but in other parts of the game we were absolute rubbish.

"We gave away a soft goal at the first because Ross Tokely was not marking his man. Kenny Gillet was then at fault for the second goal and Josh Meekings the third.

"In the second half, we had the back-four from hell."

Worst post match interview ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can he blame his 787869774769308757th back four when he changes the back four 75629573205757603728568569 times?!?! There was never enough injuries in the season to warrant as many changes as he did to the back four!

Blame game again from Butcher and surprisingly no mention of Tade, Tansey, Foran, McKay, ad any other player. Obviously this is a snapshot from the BBC but if this is the crux of the interview then we need to get shot of this man! What a poor poor poor excuse.

Sorry, my point being, why just blame the defense? And NOT surprisingly he didn't mention Tade etc.

I typed out posted so quickly out of rage there!

Inverness Caledonian Thistle manager Terry Butcher : "That 90 minutes just encapsulated our season.

"In some parts, we were very good, but in other parts of the game we were absolute rubbish.

"We gave away a soft goal at the first because Ross Tokely was not marking his man. Kenny Gillet was then at fault for the second goal and Josh Meekings the third.

"In the second half, we had the back-four from hell."

Worst post match interview ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can he blame his 787869774769308757th back four when he changes the back four 75629573205757603728568569 times?!?! There was never enough injuries in the season to warrant as many changes as he did to the back four!

Blame game again from Butcher and surprisingly no mention of Tade, Tansey, Foran, McKay, ad any other player. Obviously this is a snapshot from the BBC but if this is the crux of the interview then we need to get shot of this man! What a poor poor poor excuse.

so much sympathy for terry, as imo, he put the correct team out and got his tactics spot-on. tade has missed far too many 1 on 1s this season and mckay has 1 goal all season. the game should have been put to bed before ht.

How can you say it was the right team and then say McKay scoring 1 goal all season, and Tade the ever brilliant master of one on one mess ups? Surely they should have been dropped? Also Tansey (woop dee doo he scored a penalty), Foran? Meekings? All of them should never be allowed to play after week after week of poor performances.

who would you have played? tansey imo was decent today and didn't think meekings was any worse than the other 3 defenders in the 2nd half. ideally, i would like to see winnall up front but the team created numerous chances - more than enough to win the game.

Gillet, WInnall, Jones, Pineyar, Morrison? And I am sick to death of people saying we created chances but couldn't convert as if it is an achievement! Like a PS3 game and you get a trophy for 'Most chances amassed'. Today 2 chances out of many were converted and Hibs 3 out of 3. I think the maths makes sense there.

Bottom line is.......i fear for ICT under Butcher. I think he has long since run out of ideas. I dont mind being 11th in the league...as long as we had a bit of fight about us. To be where we are, and playing some of the worst football i have ever witnnessed, well, that dont sit so well with me.

I kind of agree with you, but wonder if your opinions come from viewing the games in person or jumping on other people's bandwagons? You always seem to say you cant make it to games but also say its the worst football you have witnessed. As a matter of interest, how many times do you witness it in person at the stadium in an average season?

I think SMEE always watches the games on tv so if there has been about 10 games this season then IMO thats enough to judge on how the team is performing over a season.

Unfortunately in football, it's a result business, and you don't need to be at all the games where we've lost to see that somethings wrong. And that's a lot of games!

so much sympathy for terry, as imo, he put the correct team out and got his tactics spot-on. tade has missed far too many 1 on 1s this season and mckay has 1 goal all season. the game should have been put to bed before ht.

How can you say it was the right team and then say McKay scoring 1 goal all season, and Tade the ever brilliant master of one on one mess ups? Surely they should have been dropped? Also Tansey (woop dee doo he scored a penalty), Foran? Meekings? All of them should never be allowed to play after week after week of poor performances.

Two games in a row where we have had the lion's share of possession and couldn't turn it into wins.

At this rate we could finish 11th and be firm favourites for relegation next season.

Our strikers couldn't light a match!

Two 90th minute substitutions! Not for the first time this season I ask what on earth the point of that is.

Despite many of the posters on here being tolerant of Terry, my patience has now worn thin. He clearly talks the talk, but as he has shown at other clubs before, he doesn't walk the walk.

His tactics have been suspect all season. We have massively regressed this season. We can't use the injuries excuse any longer - all clubs get injuries.

Many other clubs would have binned Terry by now. In the recent poll about how satisfied people are with him, I voted 'fairly dissatisfied'. I'd now change it to 'very dissatisfied'. I fear the man is a 'chancer', an opinion I felt right from day one, but fought hard to repel for over two seasons, but now I think I was right all along.

And i agree wholeheartedly. I dare say i will be singled out and attacked for that, as i often seem to be anytime i inject a large dose of reality. I think maybe my cute little avatar makes me an easy target.

Totally agree with this. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, I hate the term 'happy clappers' as it's good to see the bright side of things, but right now we have no bright side at all.

I have no opinions at all as to who could take over which some I think will take this as a redundant statement but BUTCHER NEEDS TO GO! He has and has done for most of THIS season made wrong choice after wrong choice, claiming after each loss he'll make changes and the 'boys are ready for the next game' but has left each time empty handed.

I never saw the game today but spoke to my old man who said a penalty (yes a long time coming) and a cross/shot that totally confused the keeper was the only things of worth. Tade and McKay guilty again of one on one disparity and a lacklustre midfield followed by amateur defending cost us the game. Hibs had 3 CHANCES and took those, not 3 shots, 3 chances. Hopeless.

Again as always said, thank god for Dunfermline.

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YASSSSS!!!!!!

Lennon said after the game "For me it was a criminal decision and it has cost us a Treble. Awful, awful refereeing". If he ever wonders why a lot of people in Scottish football don't like him (and his club), he should revisit that statement, his team were one nil down at the time so the decision didn't cost them a treble, it cost them the opportunity to equalaise in a game in a season where they haven't won any trophies yet and there's no guarantee that they will win the Scottish Cup. The arrogance of him irritates me!

My sentiments exactly. It wasn't a penalty and Stokes is renound for diving, yellow card deserved. And if it was given who's to say they would have scored? Who's to say they would win the Scottish cup? Ungracious and callous, that is Mr Lennon for you.

Well done Killie!!! Could not be happier for them!

And also it is horrible to hear that Liam Kellys dad suffered a heart attack at the end, thoughts go to him and his family at this time.

Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won

How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking.

No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side.

I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change.

It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

effective-ness?

sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots.

as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie.

and attitude?

did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him.

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thats contructive.

I'm sorry to go against you mate, but I hardly find a defense that leaks 4 goals but keeps out 20 shots on goal, effective. I see where you're coming from as they kept out the majority, but they should be minimising those chances in the first place. Also I think there's a lot to say against the midfield who let a team through them enough to have that many shots.

But I can't back you up on Foran. You can run, put your heart into a game, but it means nothing if you don't actually do anything of menaing. And unfortunately Foran doesn't. The most consistent thing he will do is moan at the ref and his own players.

And once again as I've said before, Billy Mckay? About as effective as a mannequin up front.

Why oh why oh why does Butcher insist on playing Billy McKay?! Nice wee ryhme to remeber the most ineffectual striker I think we've ever had.

Also Tansey and Foran still getting a game? Shocking.

Points dropped rather than a point gained.

Tuffey

Meekings Williams Tokely Gillet

Shinnie

Jones Hayes

Gnapka

Tade Winnall

Play Kilmarnock at their own game and try and match their attacking intentions. No place for Foran and McKay at all and as Gringo said, starts for Tuffey towards the end of the season.