Pedz4king

I know i have posted this on another topic but for the people who havent seen it i think we should take this antwerp song

and change it to - the caley is unbelievable

I hated the song at first but second or third time round i found quite good

I think we should take the antwerp song "the antwerp is unbeleivable" and obviously "the caley are unbeleivable"

I actually thought that the ICT support was pretty good today. I even heard noise coming from the Main Stand!

People need to stop having little digs at the main stand because it is discouraging the few fans who do make noise to stop

Murray was, as I predicted, abysmal. Mind you, his stand side assistant was also useless. Highlight of his day was Samaras and Munro jumping for a header together only for the greasy Greek to shove Munro, mid air, right in front of the linesman who gave nothing.

They had no real influence on the result but it was frustrating to see so many obvious fouls not given or not being punished accordingly.

I agree with you about the linesman i think that they are too scared (i know scared aint the right word but you get the idea) to tell the ref wether there is a foul or not

I dont like proc at right back he is a centre mid but cox and duncan have formed a great partnership and therefore proc wont get in.

I dont think tokely did anything wrong he was just as good as any of the defenders

esson

mccann tokely munro gillet

cox duncan

Hayes Eric shinnie

rooney

i am not a fan of ross and i think shinnie is a better player as he is faster and stronger than ross and i think he should be given a shot.

I know shinnie wont be starting but he should get on at about 60-70 mins

Also can you name me more than 4 centre backs who have quite good pace in the SPL?

Madjid doesnt count, he plays @ right back

You have to admit that the defensive line up has to be given time to gel and get to know each other but I have real concerns about the personnel.

As I see it Gillet and McCann are traditional full backs. McCann is solid enuff defensively and rarely leaves his blades of grass but is not exciting going forward - but then again he had the outlet of Hayes - and we need a right back who defends and covers - but he did not appear to cover inside yesterday - perhaps that was his instructions. Gillet has pace and an attacking penchant - I think that the is going to be a real find - but again yesterday he stuck wide for the most and again gave little cover inside - although Fortune played wide all day.

Hopefully the full backs will learn to push forward more with Cox and Duncan responsible for the cover. At the end of the day I would prefer to see Proctor in at right back.

I was really worried about the "partnership" of Rosscoe and Granty - They may well be solid in the air and in the tackle but the central defence looked extremely shaky when peeple ran at them and Cellic got in behind far too often. Rosscoe just doesnt have the pace any more and he started going deeper and deeper - evidently for the fear of pace and movement. Granty should have been shouting his head off at the other defenders and pulling them out but he appeared to decide to cover them and that kept us deep. Granty isnt exactly quick over the ground and that is why we need the likes of McCann and especially Gillet to be tucking in.

Granty has never been as good since the Machine left - He appears to have gone from season to season as the one out and out central defender - and although he has done his bit, especially last season - he is given too much responsibility and I would give the vice captaincy to Esson and get him shouting the odds. i am afraid that I would give Innes a run instead of Rosscoe.

Having said all that it is without doubt that if amateurs like maself have these reservations that seasoned ex defenders like Terry and Mo will sort this out in training and on the SPL pitches.

If he didnt play that deep fortune would be open to cut in where and whenever he wants and then would just cut back and BOOM! goal

He appeared to have left his yellow card at home.

and his f****** red (samaras and mulgrew both could have been off)

In the second half, there was a loss of motivation, fitness of both. Hayes, Cox, Duncan, Odi all floundered. True they put in a power of work in the first half, but it caught up later. This will change as the season progresses.

Yep, we rode our luck, was it 3 off the woodwork? But we will play worse and win this season, several times. An encouraging display.

Nothing that a few cans of red bull cant fix

I recorded the game and im just watching it now and when hayes was in the box in the first minute he was tripped first and should have got a penalty

Can someone tell me some of the prices in the bar i came a bit late today and would like to go against hamilton

he was shocking simple as that

Here we are again, when all else fails, blame the ref. If you really thought he was shocking today, prepare yourself for a very long, disappointing season. There will be much worse to come. For my money, the ref today had a good game.

The only way that somebody could be worse is that if someone was punched and they stayed on the park!

worst referee in scottish football if you ask me

SP - it wasnt really down to fitness (apart from Hayes which was acceptable) - there was a gap in class in the second half, we were second best and we played far too deep defensively. Hayes looked the class man fer 15-20 minutes but Maloney was easily the overall MOM and we never got close enuff to him.

I agree with all that. I think that was a very creditable performance on the whole. my only complaint would be against Gil. He showed nothing at all and seems to have very little game awareness.

He has high game awareness it was that he pulled his hamstring or a muscle in that area

HT: 1-0

FT: 3-0

1st scorer ICT: Hayes

1st scorer Opp: No scorer

Crowd:1846

HT:United 1 - 0 ICT

FT:United 1 - 1 ICT

1st scorer ICT:Odhiambo

1st scorer Opp: Swanson

Crowd:10836

Fwiw I thought the ref was ok today.

The only thing i think he did well was keeping lennon from being his usual self but in the game he was abysmal

Samaras should have been off and mulgrew at least a yellow samaras handballed in bout 3-5 times, always fouling in the air and mulgrew took out hayes 2 or 3 times as well

:_shocked2: Feck me was that Eric in the goal ?!!

No but I'm making that decision based on surprise alone. I knew Esson could perform like that, but where has Eric been storing a performance like that for one and a half seasons?

Eric was that good when we were last in the SPL and he was brilliant in pre seasonhe just didn't have the room to play in the SFL

FIRST HALF:

Well we are on a par with the Mighty Tims and if it was a boxing match we would be just ahead on points. The first 20 minutes was the first time ever that I have witnessed us totally dominate a game against the Old Filth. Then we took the foot off the pedal a little bit, ten minutes of midfield possession for both teams but the Tims looked stronger as half time loomed.

We had a big fright after 22 seconds when it looked like Hayes was going to be carted off but it looked like a kidney knock and he was only really winded. The TV suggested that the initial foul took place outside the box and it was Hayes momentum that carried him in to the box. I have seen penalties given for that before and I suspect that if it was the 22nd minute it may have been given - harshly probably but what the feck. But the ref sinalled against Hayes.

Hayes then went on to torment Mulgrew and everything was going through Hayes - The Telly showed the "attempts" after 15 minutes - 4-0 ICT.

Rooney volleyed over in 5 mins after good interchange by Eric and Mccann; Hayes went close on 9 mins; Mulgrew should have had a yellow in the 12th minute for blatantly taking Hayes out of the game; Cellic then nearly scored against the run of play in he 14th but McCann put in a great saving block; Russeldhino hit a wqeak snap shot on target in the 15th; Again why didnt Samaras get booked in the 16th min for a blatant hand ball; Eric headed over a Hayes cross in the 17tyh minute but he was moving away from the goal on impact; Maloney hit the post on a 1:1 with Esson and I felt Rosscoe played him onside; Rooney headed over a difficult chancs from a Ross cross in the 26th minute; Ledley had a good chance in the 36th minute but rosscoe got a toe to a shot that may well have hit the net; Lennon gets a talking to by Callum Murray after gobbing off about a Samaras challenge wich the ref ignored - even though Cox clearly fouled him; Nick Ross saved a goalbound header from a corner in the 41st and Fortune hit Esson with a strike in the 47th.

Positives are that most players are trying to play football and Cellic look disorganised - where the feck is Fortune playing ?, Ledley is anonymous and their defence looks really heavy legged. Negatives are that Maloney looks a real threat but fortunately at the moment is playing too deep; Nick Ross has held his own but looks a bit taken in by the atmosphere and Hayes is looking knackered plus Rosscoe and Granty are winning nearly everything but they are getting caught out of position too often - especially Rosscoe.

And PLEASE, PLEASE learn the lesson of playing really tight for the first five minutes of the second feckin half as Cellic will be coming out of the box with a vengeance.

Back to the game, the Boddies and the voddie !!

SECOND HALF:

Well we totally dominated the second half for 70 seconds and then played goals and byes. We almost turned the tables with a Rooney run down the wing and Eric close to getting on to the cross and then Russell, off balance scuffs a 20 yarder. But then Cellic upped the pace and simply took over. Cox clumsily took out Brown on 47 and Esson did well to turn the Mulgrew free kick round the post. Esson saved the day again with a good stop from Ledley two minutes later after a defence splitting pass by Maloney. Again Samaras could well have been booked in the 53rd and then Nick Ross had a real half chance to score. Cha misinterpreted the cross but Nick heahed weakly in to the keeper. To be fair he probably didnt expect Cha to misstime it but he could have chested it down.

McCourt scored the onl goal of the game in the 55th minute and weaved across the 18 yard line before smashing it home whilst most of our players stood off him possibly worrying that he was going for the pen. McCann was blameless cos he was covering the overlap but Rosscoe dived in, Cox stood off, Munro stood off and Duncan could have clattered him. McCann then sprained his neck by running in to Maloney and had to go off.

Brown had a chance in 60 when again Munro and Rosscoe stood off him; Gil came on fer Nick Ross in 61 and went wide left; Maloney had a chance to score in 62 but Rosscoe tidied it up in the 6 yard box. Samaras fortunately went for goal when a cut back to Maloney would have made it 2-0 a minute later. Maloney almost scored in the 66 and Fortune was too lat and hit the side netting.

Rooney then shouldered Hooveld off the ball and a promising move ended when the ball hit Hooveld and went out fer a touch - but we were soon defending again. Maloney had another chance which Rosscoe blocked in 74; Forrest misssed an absolute sitter in 76 - by that time the TV was showing 75/25 % possesion to Cellic !!

Proctor came on fer Gil on 77 and Gill looks as if he has a tweaked, hopefully not torn hamstring. Sutherland came on far too late for a struggling Hayes in the 86 minuted, Esson saved from Cha and then Forrest hit the post.

MATCH SUMMARY:

We missed our chance in the first half where we dominated and outplayed Cellic fer long periods but Cellic upped the pace in the second half and it always looked more likely that they would grab an equaliser instead of us stealing an equaliser. Maloney was immense in the last 60 minutes, Brown and Ledley took control of midfield and Fortune wide all of a sudden became a real threat. I may now sound harsh - as not many teams wil live with Cellic if they play like they did in the second half but wwe really did capitualte. We looked to have run out of legs - Hayes and Ross were passengers and we had no outlet. We start losing all the 50/50's and I felt that Rosscoe and Munro played far too deep - evidently worried about pace. I hope TB plays the video as the goal was terrible defending and Rosscoe and Munro did not appear to be communicating and Rosscoe is still playing as a full back which you cant afford to do in the SPL.

SMILEYMOMETER - Evidently I had the advantage of the telly and the replays and some peeple at the game may find this harsh but I am going to rate it as I saw it - taking away the fact it was against Cellic.

ESSON My MOM - kept the score down to 1 and was always looking to start off attacks. Tuffey will be warming the SPL bench for at least another game.

McCANN I have criticised him but he was pretty solid and looks to play football.

ROSSCOE May well have looked effective with his aerial prowess and spectacular blocks and clearances but I feel he simply does not have the pace for the SPL. Got caught out of position on a few occasions, tends to jump in to tackles and surprisingly appeared not to be on the same communication level as Granty. And can Terry and Mo plese feckin show him how to cushion hoofs and headers.

GRANTY I thought thta he did well in spite of having to cover for Rosscoes faults.

GILLET First look and impressed. He had fortune wrapped up in the first half and probably came out level in the 2nd when his cover from left midfield went missing.

HAYES Looked the best player on the park for the first 20 minutes but then simply faded in to obscurity. he wasnt gettting the ammunition but he looke far from fit.

COX Quietly effective - Coxy and Russell ran the midfield in the first half but were always on their toes and going backwards in the second

RUSSELDHINO as per Cox - some great cross field passsing in the firts half

ROSS Had his moments but looked a class below everybody else on the pitch. Suffered from having to play on the left and never really looked comfortable there.

ERIC Much improved and put in a good enuff shift - has to concentrate on improving his first touch in training and how to control the ball when dribbling.

ROONEY Ploughe a lone and lonely furrow - held the ball up well and worked his socks off but never had a sniff

GIL Why put him on the feckin wide left - didnt do anything and limped off

PROCTOR I would have taken him on fer Ross at half time.

SUTHERLAND Should have been on 15 minutes earlier for Hayes who was a passenger

TERRY AND MO I bet that they are kciking themselves that we didnt go in at least 1-0 up at half time but not much they could do to change it in the second - only criticism is that they could have gambled with Sutherland and kept Ross and especially Hayes on fer too long.

CALLUM MURRAY: :_wink: :_fart: No complaints overall but the Hayes attack in the first minute was a free kick at least and he bottled out of booking Mulgrew and Samaras.

OVERALL : We showed spirit and enthusiasm and were by far the better side in the second half. We can only improve and we would have beaten the majority of SPL teams on the day with a performance like that.

Calum murray was ******* bias **** towards celtic worst refing performance i have seen in the last 2 years, at least!

I dont know why everyone is criticising rosscoe he didnt cause anymore problems than the other defenders

well having watched us kick of the season remotley i thought i would have a stab at a bit of a match report based on the coverage on BFBS

watching in the first half i was happy, the performances of the players gave plenty for us to get excited about and it was nice to see a caely squad looking hungry and keen. players like Nick Ross and johnny hayes were standing out head and shoulders above what i would have expected for there first SPL games, some very nice moves from Kenny Gillet and Mcann in defence too were giving me hope that we really good have taken something from this game. we had several good chances created from the wings when time and time again the ball was crossed into the box and for once we didnt look afraid to have a go...gone was the problems of the last couple of years with nobody having the guts to actually take a shot and it seemed to have been replaced with more of a here we go lets see what we can do attitude.. a little more target practice and i really think that we could have a good front line.. unfortunately after about half an hour we started to get pegged back a little by celtic.

pleased to be going in at the break at nil nil the game at this point i felt was still up for the taking and celtic really were not justifying the title Favorites tag

unfortunately we didnt carry on in the second half as we did the first..celtic game out of the traps looking to hit us..and hit us they did.. Paddy Mccourt was given far to much time and allowed to wander through our defence to hit the net..prior to this we had looked in it but the goal seemed to leave us searching for ideas... we had matched celtic more than evenly up to this point but after the goal they got there noses up. several more shots on goal from them were kept out through a mixture of dumb luck on our part, some fantastic saves by Ryan and sheer ineptitude from celtic..to be honest i felt that we could have lost 3 goals at least today however at the end of the match to have lost one nil to a team like celtic shouldnt be seen as to much of a defeat.

positves

some very good performances from our team

a real lets get stuck in attitude

Hayes playing nearly the full match

only losing one goal

negatives

to me i still think our defence is looking like the weak link

we still looked alot for the long hopefull ball up the park

rosscoe did not look like he has it in him for the whole season

well that was a first attempt at a match report and these are only personal opinions based on stuttery TV Coverage.......

wheres my tin hit :_shocked2:

Didnt really think rosscoe did anything wrong i thought he had a better game than mccann and just as good as munro.

I was impressed with hayes rooney esson and eric they all had good games but i thought nick ross was a big let down, i thought we should have played gil from the start

more a case that i think as the season gets on and fatigue kicks in he is going to find it harder to maintain..

That is why i think we should sign GMS as a rotational player who comes on at 60-70 minutes for hayes

Didnt think munro and tokely were dodgy at all i would say mccann was the most dodgy from the back four

Was very suprised at the MoM award that went to nick ross i thought esson deserved it the most

I thought we played very well in the first 25 minutes then celtic came out of first gear and starting pushing our fitness levels

well having watched us kick of the season remotley i thought i would have a stab at a bit of a match report based on the coverage on BFBS

watching in the first half i was happy, the performances of the players gave plenty for us to get excited about and it was nice to see a caely squad looking hungry and keen. players like Nick Ross and johnny hayes were standing out head and shoulders above what i would have expected for there first SPL games, some very nice moves from Kenny Gillet and Mcann in defence too were giving me hope that we really good have taken something from this game. we had several good chances created from the wings when time and time again the ball was crossed into the box and for once we didnt look afraid to have a go...gone was the problems of the last couple of years with nobody having the guts to actually take a shot and it seemed to have been replaced with more of a here we go lets see what we can do attitude.. a little more target practice and i really think that we could have a good front line.. unfortunately after about half an hour we started to get pegged back a little by celtic.

pleased to be going in at the break at nil nil the game at this point i felt was still up for the taking and celtic really were not justifying the title Favorites tag

unfortunately we didnt carry on in the second half as we did the first..celtic game out of the traps looking to hit us..and hit us they did.. Paddy Mccourt was given far to much time and allowed to wander through our defence to hit the net..prior to this we had looked in it but the goal seemed to leave us searching for ideas... we had matched celtic more than evenly up to this point but after the goal they got there noses up. several more shots on goal from them were kept out through a mixture of dumb luck on our part, some fantastic saves by Ryan and sheer ineptitude from celtic..to be honest i felt that we could have lost 3 goals at least today however at the end of the match to have lost one nil to a team like celtic shouldnt be seen as to much of a defeat.

positves

some very good performances from our team

a real lets get stuck in attitude

Hayes playing nearly the full match

only losing one goal

negatives

to me i still think our defence is looking like the weak link

we still looked alot for the long hopefull ball up the park

rosscoe did not look like he has it in him for the whole season

well that was a first attempt at a match report and these are only personal opinions based on stuttery TV Coverage.......

wheres my tin hit :_shocked2:

Didnt really think rosscoe did anything wrong i thought he had a better game than mccann and just as good as munro.

I was impressed with hayes rooney esson and eric they all had good games but i thought nick ross was a big let down, i thought we should have played gil from the start

if you do it be prepared for people shouting paedofile at you

Steven Jobs or Bill Gates

since foran is injured here is my new team:

-------------esson

mccann--rossco--munro---gillet

-------cox---pedz

Hayes---Eric----Gill

------Rooney