jaggie1994

We have got Ross Tokely, Grant Munro, Golly, Duncan and Foran. Thats 5 outfield players with a lot of experience and the other 5 are young with not a lot of experience. Maybe that is too much but I think it is a good balance.

It is more the fact that most of the players (young and experienced) are not pulling their weight

Teams like QOS? Explain. They are actually a decent first division side with a manager with more knowledge than ours.

To add to your point even more. They are top of the league

Certain "Supporters" shouldnt be at the game if they cant get behind the team like Butcher requested !

I for one dont blame his reaction , our team were Dire today & the atmosphere was woeful too

It helps if we have a team we can get behind. I left todays game feeling like I couldn't care less. We're getting the same attitude from the majority on the field and in the dugout.

Sometimes it works the other way. Today was a good example I think. At half time we had dominated the second half and looked like we should win the game. Thats the time when the fans need to get behind the team. I do understand though that the fans need something to shout about and most of the time we have not had that

Bloody hell.

If you are going to rant about somebody can you do it about somebody who played badly.

He is one of the few who looks like he gives a toss about what happens.

as for his bandage. You kind of need that when you have lots of blood running down the back of your head

QUOTE (fergieisonfire @ Oct 10 2009, 06:54 PM)

well... it seemed to all of us

Were people trying to wind him up or something?

NO

Yes they were. They were shouting abuse at him for most of the match

not from what i could here!!

So as far as you are concerned Butcher just turned around to the crowed and told them to f**k off just for the sake of it?

He turned aroung to try and get the crowd to make some noise and he got slated for it. Thats why he said it. As well as the fans having a go throughout the match as well

QUOTE (fergieisonfire @ Oct 10 2009, 06:54 PM)

well... it seemed to all of us

Were people trying to wind him up or something?

NO

Yes they were. They were shouting abuse at him for most of the match

well... it seemed to all of us

A few times he pointed to 2 or 3 people and said it and then eventually he said all of you can jus F off as well

The players have just as much responsiblilty as the manager does. He needs them to show passion and have a good work rate which most of them were lacking

Time for Butcher to go and take his dead beat signings with him. Absolute joke of a performance.

What was the comment from the crowd in the main stand that TB reacted to so badly to?. Poor reaction from TB.

A few of them were shouting abuse at him right from the start of the game.

At 1-1 he tried to geee the crowd up in the way players do by lifting his arms up and down but the fans took that the wrong way and a few started booing and shouting more abuse. So butcher told them to F**k Off.

I would probably have done the same thing after trying to put up with getting abused for 90 minutes

Time for a rant.

I've been a person who has backed Butcher but today if there is space for one more on the bandwagon, I would like to jump aboard.

No fight, no passion for the shirt and players who were that bad they wouldn't look out of place in the HL. Exempt from this rant is Foran (as usual put hinself about everywhere), Hayes (thought he was our best player over the last few weeks) and Cox (was all over the place and put himself about).

Bulvitis is a terrible centre half, the great debate was whether he was worse at centre half than Proctor, throws himself into tackles he is nowhere near. There was a few times the Queens midfield went past like he wasn't there, and only a few late tackles from Munro bailed him out.

Russell Duncan as I've said before should be nowhere near that team, can't pass, constantly outmuscled, barely wins a challenge then he sprints 30 yards to have a go at Bulvitis for missing a tackle. I think he needs to take a long hard look at himself before having a go at others.

No idea why we have a winger who has no skills, no dribbling ability, can't pass and can only put the occasion delivery into box. Why Eagle remains in the team is a mystery.

I think Ian Mccall spotted something in Sanchez that Butcher obviously hasn't, doesn't put himself about at all and can see him hiding in games in January and February.

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, so if Butcher can admit some of the players he signing are awful and drop them it would be much appreciated. We need to start playing 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers up front as Foran is putting in two shifts especially as Sanchez doesn'tchase anything or put a tackle in.

Today is the first time I have geniunely been considered about the possibility of 2nd Division football next season. Some big changes need to be made if we are to have any hope of finishing in the top half never mind promotion.

The only thing I dont agree with in that is about Duncan, He played a lot better than normal. He was passing the ball fairly well and threw himself into a few tackles. It was a big improvement from him.

Ross Tokley was ***** on the other hand

Paterson isn't the answer. If it's true he turned round and said f** off i expect an apology from him ,he should be able to take the critiscm like any other manager. He's not bigger than this club!

He did tell the fans to F**k off. It was not unprovoked though. Would you not tell people the same if they had been shouting abuse at you the whole game. I know I would have.

Im not trying to say that Butcher is doing a good job. He's not but I dont disagree with what he said to the fans

I wouldnt want Robbo back. For the same reason I didnt want Brewster back. You never re-appoint a manager that has been successful in the past. Just because he did it then does not mean he will do it now. You have to bring somebody fresh in and I dont know who would want the job.

I get the feeling Butcher wont be here much longer. Especially after the way the fans in the mainstand were on his back the whole game. It was a disgrace they spent more time moaning and giving Butcher abuse than they did trying to support the team while we were looking for a winner. No wonder Butcher told the to "**** Off" during the game

Ah right, so it's the fans fault.

I never said it was the totally the fans fault but they should not be shouting abuse at the manager when it was only 1-1.

I think apart of it is the fans fault though. They spend more time moaning at the game than they do trying to support the team and get behind them. When you are struggling at games as a player you need to know that you have the support behind you to give you confidence to go on and get a goal not thinking if they make a mistake they will get hounded out

It can work the other way round as well. The fans need to be given something to shout about but in this game for example at half time it was looking fairly good for us. We had dominated the first half and had got a way back into the game. We needed to build on it in the second half and thats where the fans can help

Im not for a second trying to defend the players as most of them in the last half hour had no desire to try and get the ball forward. It looked like they really didnt care about the result. Apart from Hayes, Foran, Cox and Duncan everybody else looked as if they couldnt give a dam

We dominated the first half. we had a slow first minute to the game were we fell behind but the next 44 mins were fairly good to watch (not for quality but because we were on top). Hayes strike was brilliant and we had a few chances but nothing clear cut. The second half started well but by 55 minutes Queens were getting to every ball first won all of the 50/50s and in the end deserved the 3 points.

Im surprised nobody has brought this up yet but what the hell was wrong with Ross Tokely. He wouldnt mark his man, actually he let his man run off him at every opportunity and never made an effort in the second half to try and get back to make up for his mistake. It was his stupid tackle that gave the freekick away to give Queens the second goal. It was a defensive performance that was up their with Lionels best. Even the players and Butcher were telling him to sort it out. I know he has just come back from injury but if that was a problem he should have said that he wasnt fit enough to play

I have been trying to defend Butcher for the past few weeks but there is no point doing that anymore. 4 home games and 1 point that says it all. We are not getting promoted this season so he has failed. End Of

The people who sit in the main stand (not including me) are a disgrace as well. They spent more time telling Butcher how to do his job and shoutung abuse at him as soon as we went 1-0 down. When we were 3-1 down I could understand why but not when we were drawing 1-1 and trying to get a goal. They should try support the team and not abusing the manager.

Butcher turned round to the crowd and shouted and lifted his arms up a few times to try and get the crowd to make some noise but all they did was boo him for Butcher pretty much telling them the players need no support. He eventually told a few of them to F**k Off. Quite rightly I feel, If you cant take it dont give it and Butcher has every right to say it back just because he is the manager dosent mean he cant say anything back

All in all. It was crap

Im not looking forward to going to Raith on Tuesday any more

I wouldnt want Robbo back. For the same reason I didnt want Brewster back. You never re-appoint a manager that has been successful in the past. Just because he did it then does not mean he will do it now. You have to bring somebody fresh in and I dont know who would want the job.

I get the feeling Butcher wont be here much longer. Especially after the way the fans in the mainstand were on his back the whole game. It was a disgrace they spent more time moaning and giving Butcher abuse than they did trying to support the team while we were looking for a winner. No wonder Butcher told the to "**** Off" during the game

I put stay as he is. Mainly because I dont know how much time the Scotland job takes up of his time (during every week not the ones that Scotland have matches). If he has lots of jobs to do for Scotland every week he should quit and concentrate of ICT thats the most important thing. Or for him where his reputation will be made

I hope they dont get booed. They are both legends and I would love them still to be at the club now.

Wilson was at the County game on Sunday. Maybe he is trying to become a scout rather than a coach

2275 at the semi and the majority of them were county fans , I think 3400 is more than enough .

It was only the semi though. Even if it was against our rivals people will find much more attraction in going to a final even if it is 2 and a bit hours away. Also we have quite a lot of fans from down south and I reckon the majority of them didnt bother making the journey up (fair play to the ones that did) so they will all be going to the game as well.

Look at Burnley in the play off final last year. They had an average attendance of about 14000 last season at home but in the final they took about 40000 fans. I know there was a lot more at stake but it is the same principle.

I think we will be able to take more fans down than tickets we have available

Thats a load of crap. I was expecting it to be 50:50 at the start

I wouldnt expect us to fill 2 stands worth of tickets but any unsold tickets could have been given to Dundee with a couple of weeks to go until the game if it looked like there would be loads of empty seats in the Inverness end

This is probably a stupid idea but I will say it anyway

Would it not be better if you didnt get given a specific seat to sit in when your buy your season tickets or a one off ticket. eg you would buy a season ticket for the North Stand but you could sit anywhere you liked. So the fans who wanted to shout, sing and give abuse to the opposition, refs etc could all sit together and the fans who dont like this would see where they are sitting and get as far away as possible?

This wouldnt work for some games if they were sold out but in the first division I cant see us selling the ground out.

It would just be like when we had the terracing when we were last in the First Division

Personaly I love singing songs and generally giving the opposition abuse as for me that is what going to the football is all about because we arnt exactly going to see quality and entertainment are we? I dont sing or shout at the home games becuase if I did I would just get shouted down like what is happening to the people in section G but if the club were to sort something out and let them all have a laugh and generally do what they like in terms of singing and calling people gypsies I would be over there in a shot

I have been to all the League games this season and the Dunfermline and Dundee games were both brilliant. If we could recreate that at TCS it would be epic. For those of you who were at those games you would have seen how much the players and backroom staff appreciated it and I think it makes a massive difference to the players if they know that they will have the support of the fans throughout the 90 mins and not every single mistake will get moaned at which is what seems to be happening now

I think this is a good idea.

I like collecting badges of the nations that I go to see when they are playing Scotland so normally I would buy this but it does look like it is going to be quite large and the colours make it look like a Dundee Badge

Aye he's appearing at Eden Court 28th March......but tickets sold out !!

I have got tickets for that.

In the front row as well

You are going to get the complete and utter p!ss ripped out of you.

Yeah I know. I dont know if I should be looking forward to it or not

Aye he's appearing at Eden Court 28th March......but tickets sold out !! :angry:

I have got tickets for that.

In the front row as well

Do you think that Mike Smith is actually a gypsy and is not wanting the truth to come out?

This is the type of nonsense that puts me off going to Caley games. The big wigs at the club are just complete idiots

Its all just a bit of banter and is all forgotten about at the end of the game. Has any fan ever been offended by some songs that the opposition have sung? I very much doubt it

Esson

Proctor Bulvitis Munro Shinnie

Ross Cox Hayes

Foran Sanchez Rooney

Just based on the last 20 mins of todays game. We managed to cause them a fair few problems. I changed it too 4 at the back though becuase we would be far too vulnerable to the counter attack. Since its a cup game (even if it is against County) we should expirement a bit to see if a more attacking style would work better for us at home

I think the worst thing about this game is that we were not that bad. We fell apart for 5 minutes but apart from that we were fairly comfortable. However we never looked like scoring in the first half and we still didnt look like scoring untill we got the pen (which was a stone waller). The last 15 mintues we dominated and we just never got the bounce of the ball in the box. Ryan Esson did well in the second half and kept us with a glimmer of hope.

But if you are wanting to win the league you cant afford to play ok at home and then concede 3 goals within 5 mins. We should have won that today so it is a shambles that we didnt

I would love to make excuses that we can still win the league as the players are still gelling together but I dont think we can win the league cos if you cant win 3 home games in a row against none of the big teams in the league (if you want to call them that) is unacceptable.

I was glad at the start of the match to see Stratford and Eagle out of the starting 11. What was wrong with Golly?.

Nick Ross didnt get much of a chance to shine in the first half but he grew into the game and was playing really well just before he was subbed. Duncan did better than Stratford but he was at fault for the second goal and needs to try and take more time when he has the ball. Shinnie I thought was pretty good in all for his first league start. He could be a good player in the future (that also shows how much Butcher has lost faith in Lionel)

Bulvitis was a shambles as well today. He always seemed to be passing the ball to the Partick Attackers

We will need to get so much better if we are going to even challenge for the title but after 7 games I now have come to accept that we will not be getting promoted this year

Im not too bothered about the result but at least we managed to get it into extra time away from home against a SPL side and you could argue that it is not our best starting 11. Dont have any complaints about what he is doing. If there is ever time to experiement it is in a game that we are not expected to win and if we do get knocked out its not going to be that big a deal considering the opposition.

But now we are in extra time I reckon we can get a result. If it goes to pens we have penalty saving expert Ryan Esson