Rival

I personally have not much knowledge on any of this but I do semi-professionally play the game!! Not much there

DraganICT: Opinion is fine, and I for one am not looking to change yours, tell you that yours is wrong, or stop you having one, but wind yer neck in FFS !!!! When you start making your posts more about the posters than the topic, especially in such a derisory manner, then it steps over the line.

Give it a rest Scotty!

Dragan, you have posted elsewhere that fans should be doing more to take control of their clubs and having a say in how they are run....this seems to be in stark contrast to your comments and views on this thread.

ICT have protected their own financial position by ring-fencing the income from the average visiting Hearts support and are making a donation to a fans group who are helping to keep their club operating while another fans driven organisation attempts to find a way for their club to continue.

Nothing at all in any of that is damaging ICT....quite the opposite. There's also no hint of supporting those responsible for Hearts getting into the position they have, nor is it supporting a return to a regime who are likely to run the club in similar fashion in the future (should they survive)....in fact, it's not supporting any of the groups looking to make a bid to take over the club.

Not only is your economic evaluation of the offer clearly wrong, your moral evaluation also seems to suffering somewhat as well.

We have great board who apply a great deal of dilligence to the governance of our team.

Our role should not be to help finance Heart's successes of the past few years. It is none of our business. Have you conducted due dilligence on this organisation that you are proposing to finance. Do you even know who they are?

You clearly have not got any background in business or economics.

1. The offer protects ICT's financial position as income from the average visiting club is ring-fenced. i.e. no split of income will be offered from the first 650 tickets.

2. The club will benefit to the tune of £15 for every additional (full paying) Hearts fan that attends as a result of the offer.

3. Your claims that this somehow supports a corrupt regime are unfounded.

4. Yes, as a matter of fact I did do some due diligence on the 1874 Fighting Fund...maybe you should too before digging yourself a deeper hole.

5. Qualified as a Financial Consultant aged 18, held position as Senior Compliance Auditor, Senior Risk Management Officer, Head Analyst (Change Management), Project Manager (Change Management)...all for a major banking group. Does that count as having a sufficient background in business or economics to allow me to comment on this subject?

All for a major banking group? Check you out! All for a major banking group?

That instills trust in us all oh wise one. All for a major banking group? I would be keeping that to myself sonny after the recent performance of MAJOR BANKING GROUPS. You could be unemployable with a CV like that my boy. Especially if you are now backing UKIOS Bank Group.

Sorry in answer to question number 5 you are probably the last person I would ask on this subject.

ALL FOR A MAJOR BANKING GROUP. Who the feck do you think you are?

HE SHREDS WHEN HE WANTS

HE SHREDS WHEN HE WANTS

FRED THE SHRED

WORKS FOR THE BANK

HE WORKS FOR THE BANK

HE WORKS FOR THE BANK

TRUST MEEEEEEE

I WORK FOR THE BANK

GET A GRIP!!!!!!!!

Dragan,

As Chairman of caley Jags Together, I was genuinely interested in your ideas about membership etc, and would have raised them at my next meeting with Kenny Cameron. In light of that last post - won't be happening. I realise that you appear to be new around this forum and appear to be wanting to point score, but that is out of order. If someone presents you with a counter argument, could you do them the good grace of arguing back instead of spewing vitriol at someone you don't know. That's how we work. If you want to discuss your ideas, PM me please - but don't expect me to get into a haranguing match on this forum. Cheers, Davie Balfour.

Did he beat you poor Davie?

Do i have to simplify it for you davie? Ross gets injured quite a lot. As does Warren. Not so much Warren but he picks up suspensions. As does Foran. Okay?

They deserve it. Hearts fans refused to believe they were cheating. And all they can say now is 'Romanov is a dick'. They loved him while they were winning.

The joys of being a simple forum member...

I suppose it depends on the meaning of the term "simple" ?!! But I am looking to sample Watkins and Agadstein although they will only get into this team via suspensions or injuries.

Ross and Warren are quite good at picking up injuries with the latter and Richie not bad at getting suspended either.

The Aberdeen-ICT game

I hate this don't get carried away nonsense! Although Hearts are a youthful attacking threat I can't see us going without at least a point at the TCS, and I'm only saying that to be safe. If Killie and Hibs aren't totally brushed aside I will be quite disappointed. Aberdeen should be a good game, does anyone know where it's at?

I don't know what the English saw in Hooper really...

JagJad

HT 2-1

FT 2-2

Us Doran

Them walker

Time 13

HT 3-0

FT 4-1

1st ICT Foran

1st Flats : Paterson

Time 12

Bulykin

Rybolobev

You really are clueless, this news spreads to Hearts fans who now decide to make the trip next week, it's an extra £15 in our pocket that we wouldn't get by putting out this gesture.

They dont deserve any sympathy at all. Gloating and boasting for the last 10 years due to them buying cups and european places. Its the hearts fans that thought they got there by pure talent. It was bought talent. They deserve punishment. In my eyes, you are just as clueless as most Hearts fans

Im am not aware we had a Varsella working for us?

The other country in a similar position I can think of is China.  They have China (obviously!), Hong Kong, Chinese Taipei (which is actually Taiwan, and independent in itself I believe) and Macau (I think).

I believe Tibet are trying to gain full EAFF (East Asian Football Federation) status

Also do USA not have, USA, Guam, American Samoa, Northern Mariana Islands, possibly more

So that's Laurence, Dougal and Banners in the No camp, quite the unholy alliance.

I am not for Indepence in the serious side but it would make England-Scotland rivalries rather more heated than they have been recently

And although I wasn't around, the 2012-13 season, like Caleys, was Paschings best yet. 2nd in the Regionalliga Central to LASK Linz and Austrian Cup winners + Euro Play Off Round

Something I read when looking at teams in Euro qualifiers. We constantly talk about merger and just stuck in mind because it was like the opposite to our situation. That and your mention of being involved with them likely makes them stand out a bit more.

Also they got beat 2-0 last night against Estoril. Can they come back from that?

To your Estoril question, well, due to both teams getting Europe for the first time, it was a big occasion. Estoril I believe defeated Hapoel Ramat Gan of Israel in the previous round. Due to FC Pasching being involved because of winning the Austrian Cup (actually in the third tier of Austrian football), it was and even bigger occasion and it wasn't about winning, it was about the experience of playing against some of the top players in Portugal, and to go to Estoril and only lose 2-0 is something that many teams last season could not achieve including Nacional and Sporting Lisbon so a great performance from all the boys.

Whats with FCP badge? Were they not formed by some sort of de-merger?

ASKÖ and Austria Karnten

What brings you that knowledge Alex?

I was wondering if Celtic will rest players will that include a keeper swap

Seen plenty of Celtic threads but not yet a team thread?

no coverage - we will get the 4th or 5th slot on Sportscene on Sunday night where total pr)cks like Steven Thompson (honest ref Ritchie head-butted my elbow), Billiy (tosh) Dodds and that fecking  d*ck Michael Stewart. CB  bias prevails.

Thank god for this thread

Pele