AncientMariner

25 minutes ago, bdu98196 said:

I can't belive there are fans on here apportioning some of the blame for the current situation and lack of quality performance on the fans because they dare to show displeasure at the fare put on show that they pay for as entertainment. 

 

If you want entertainment, go to Eden Court, we are paying to watch 90mins of football in the hope that ICT win. 

9 hours ago, PumpFake said:

Why are you so intent on having this thread closed? Why do you think this is a witch hunt when nobody is advocating charges are brought? Why do you disagree that Polworth's actions could be considered assault by a court in the event that charges were brought? 

Its been done to death, despite your consistent attacks on the club and players, you are basing everything on four photos which do not reflect what actually happened. Unless you or anyone else has evidence to the contrary, there is nothing more to add. Your determination to continue adding nothing to a matter which has been dealt with and resolved would suggest you are not an ICT fan. 

GET OVER IT, Kellacher, Polworth, Robertson, the directors and the club have and everyone has moved on.  

13 minutes ago, Kingsmills said:

I don't like the crowd getting on the players backs but if a few moans and groans from the stands is what is stopping professional footballers play to their ability then perhaps we should get some thicker skinned players.

We are not talking about moans and groans, we are talking about vile abuse, I can only assume you don't go to the matches if you haven't heard it?

22 minutes ago, Moogthurso said:

I am notorious for saying to the people sitting around me evangelically at the game theres a good pass from vigurs, great run from polworth etc challenging any unreasonable negative jeering. I must be hell to sit beside....

 

I'd far rather sit near you than where I end up! I have the bitter abusers, the conversationalists talking about their work and of course the retired managers and pundits who know exactly whats wrong and how to fix it. 

47 minutes ago, Moogthurso said:

I believe we as fans are a huge handicap to the players.

An incredibly sad thing to say but you are absolutely right. Would anyone who goes to the games and hears what the "fans" shout want to play for ICT? 
Can't blame any player who runs out the door when someone else is interested.

27 minutes ago, Moogthurso said:

Wonder how much easier it is to play away than listen to home fans moaning. 

You know, I think there may be more truth in that than you maybe realise.

14 minutes ago, stratherrick3 said:

Some of the younger fans have been banned from home & away games ... for what ? -- certainly nothing as serious as this . 

Quite a first post, I smell a sock puppet..... but I'll bite. First of all, this thread is four pages long, I trust you have read everything?

Next, as serious as what? I assume you have new evidence to offer? If you have, you must have been in the dugout so either tell us what happened or retreat back to your sock drawer.

Are you really comparing the vandalism and intentional destruction of property the threatening and abuse of stewards to a heated exchange? 

Now I would suggest this thread be closed as a previous poster has indicated charges of assault could be brought, to continue what has become some kind of witch hunt when the matter has been resolved could cause further trouble for the club and this forum.  

1 minute ago, tm4tj said:

That's a really good point which sounds like we possibly deserved all three. Well done team and boss.

Sounds like plenty chances, hopefully help with the confidence.

27 minutes ago, PumpFake said:

Read the bit after "or". Kellacher would obviously never bring charges anyway but if he wanted to, I think he would have a case.

What you think is irrelevant because you don't know anything about what happened. Will someone please close this thread, it's just getting stupid now. 

7 hours ago, Scarlet Pimple said:

Did L Polworth actually touch  Mr. Kellacher with his hand or closed fist?If not, was his  posture so frightening that Mr Kellacher collapsed in a  heap of fear to justify a statement that Polworth assaulted him?  If so, could Polly state in his defense that  the cursing and swearing at him by K. was enough to enrage him, constituted a verbal assault and that was not his fault etc. 

I think the point which has been made many times on this redundant thread is, no one knows what happened except those in the dugout. This has been trial by photograph and fodder for the winey, old clique who take every opportunity to spout negative nonsense like spoiled wee boys. (Not aimed at you SP)

What I do know is that this event started IN the dugout AFTER LP sat down. Of course all the loyal supporters did not see that but hey, there's photographs right? The matter has been dealt with internally and has been resolved, they are both professionals and understand things happen in the heat of the moment. So how about ending this witch-hunt and getting back to supporting the team?

Alternatively, pick up a copy of Fridays Courier and read the letter from the Chairman. 

2 hours ago, Laurence said:

We are talking about our number 7  or is there  some other guy with the same name. Come on    Polworth  played like he was totally disinterested. If that is trying his best I would like to see him on a bad day.

I know, scoring a goal and creating the second just isn't good enough. No wonder the fans kept booing him, you'd think that would raise his confidence and make him score more.

11 hours ago, Scarlet Pimple said:

The incident may have been brushed under the table for now but the festering will still be going on under the surface and the Board of Directors of our club, in its 'present weakened and sinking state, cannot try to brush it off if they want the respect of the players, their management and support from the public. They must  send a message that is unmistakably clear. They must do what is necessary and act.....

I agree with most of what you say but don't know what else there is to be done? The matter has been dealt with internally, it has been resolved and I'm sure all parties are satisfied with the outcome. 

2 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

Happy Birthday Liam!

Don't let the b*stards get you down.

   

And in celebration, how about this classic!

It's not just Inverness, anyone else notice how the usually full gaol-end was suddenly half-empty when The Rangers got promoted?

12 minutes ago, Renegade said:

We'd been after him I think just after that season ended and offered him a contract that pre-season along with Partick Thistle and (I think) St Johnstone.  He wanted to keep his options open for a while and then signed the deal with us.  He wanted a return to Ross County first but they turned him down as I recall.

A lot of "think," in there!

He may have been on the radar and as PF points out so are many others. Around that time Warren was out and the priority was a striker so in that respect, there was no positive move towards Vigurs. You can dismiss it in preference to what you think but I'll go with the testimony of the player in question because regardless of any radar, according to Vigurs, thats how it happened for him.

2 hours ago, Renegade said:

The 'Vigurs was found in the gym' stuff was a myth.  He was on our radar long before then.

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"It's a bit strange how it came about as I was working out at the gym when one of the players suggested that John Hughes might let me train with the team to help me out a bit," Vigurs told the club website." 

Two things:

1. Why would Vigurs create a myth?

2. Just what was one of the players doing at the gym instead of training or playing golf?

14 hours ago, Charles Bannerman said:

But on the other hand, the ICT squad maybe only throw up in the mornings. By the time the afternoons come round, they will have recovered and been fed and could be good to go again - perhaps in the gym. 

BUT... it's becoming apparent (or alternatively this has been clear since at least the Foran era) that the first team squad and coaches have internal tensions, in which case it's perfectly possible that the manager felt that some kind of communal social activity might help to soothe things.

I'm not suggesting a vomit festival every morning just that they often do train hard and after that, often go to the gym. As any real supporter will remember, it was a meeting in a gym that brought Vigurs back in the team so players attending the gym in the afternoon is common.

And, I am lead to believe, team building activities boost KPI's and given the events, a jolly to the golf course was a good managerial decision and exactly the right thing to do. 

I'm sure I will recognise bdu at the next home game on account of his enormous shoes and red nose as the doors fall off his car. But he is right about one thing, I do biased view based on a connection to the club, I am a supporter, win or loose, I will cheer them off the park when they play well and when they don't. My posts may appear highly condescending at times but as I stated before, I am sick of the so called "supporters" who turn on the team because they don't get what they want. 

 

8 minutes ago, bdu98196 said:

Sounds like a productive use of time. Sadly spending time working on tactics, fitness and positioning etc would be a much greater use of time.

Most of the fans work a minimum of a 40 hour week.

Why do you think the team and management were out playing golf? Do you seriously think JR said **** football, lets all go and play golf instead? 
Have you ever worked so hard youve thrown up? I would even suggest the players work harder in a morning session than you do in your 40hrs a week!  

Just now, forresjags said:

Absolutely way over the top you think that we have only won once in the league due to a couple of supporters directing a couple of expletives at the players. Jesus Christ I have heard it all now.

I didn't say that, try reading it a few times, usually works for slower people.

1 hour ago, mikeyrob73 said:

Fans have decided that no matter what Vigurs or Polworth do then they arent good enough, they follow some of the sh1te they read on here, someone says Polworth is sh1te therefor he must be sh1te, and it doesnt matter if the lad turns up on Saturday and plays a blinder, these people will still complain he misplaced one pass. 

Ironically, according to our local rag's Star Man ratings, our top two players are Vigurs and Polworth!
The two highest rated players are the two "fans" most like to abuse? Thats so Inverness!

30 minutes ago, CableGuy said:

Last year I, like so many others became completely demoralised with going down on match day knowing pretty much that another defeat was inevitably on the cards. My son, who was always excited just to go and be a part of it actually started refusing to go and I would have to end up missing games or go alone, which seemed pointless. 

I am now staying away completely, not to boycott as mentioned and not to spite the club or the players but purely and simply because.... Why would I want to ruin another Saturday afternoon down there watching that rubbish? I'm sure this is why so many are staying away now, it's prolonged and consistent agony and I speak to so many who have given it a try and want to be a part of it but simply would prefer to be doing absolutely ANYTHING else on a Saturday afternoon.  

If it's consistant wins or supporting a team who will deliver what you are looking for from a club, perhaps you might want to support Celtic or Aberdeen? 

Yes its frustrating but supporting a team means supporting them through good and bad. The real supporters do turn up, they do cheer on the team even in defeat. They also do not boo their own players or scream abuse at them which unfortunately seem to make up a substantial part of the "support" now. Just how is that supposed to lift the heads and drive them on? No wonder there is a crisis of confidence within the team. The youth team got slated for their behaviour which is unfortunate but by God, at least they supported and lifted the team and for that, they are worth 100 of every idiot who who thinks it's ok to shout abuse just because things arn't going the way they would like. They are the cancer eating through the club and causing the greatest spiral of low confidence which is greatly affecting the team. How would you feel as a player if every time you touched the ball you received a torrent of abuse or boos? FFS, Polworth scored a goal and created another yet some "fans" booed him? Sure he may have had a less then expected game but what do you want if two goals warrant that?
Just to note, Billy McKay scored 4 goals in 15 appearances, Polworth has scored 3 in 14 appearences, I don't recall anyone giving McKay a hard time? And don't get me started on Vigurs, the things I've heard fans shout because he makes one mistake or poor pass yet all the good stuff he does is ignored.

I guess it's just an Inveness thing.....?

http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/Sport/Football/Caley-Thistle-boss-Robertson-confirms-flare-up-pair-were-punished-10102017.htm

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"I know the pictures look bad, but no punches were thrown, there was no physical contact at that level. It was a heated war of words, but they have been made aware that was simply unacceptable."

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"However, I must stress that, despite how it looks from the pictures, no punches were thrown and the matter has been dealt with by way of an internal investigation."

So there you have it. Shall the supporters continue booing Polworth or will the vitriol once more turn to Vigurs?

Guess we'll have to wait until the 28th to find out!

2 minutes ago, ictchris said:

Too funny! And a good representation of how ridiculous and blown out of proportion this whole thing is. Now while many people thrive on the drama and conflict, would it not be better to just for once, get behind the team and players and actually support them? 

6 minutes ago, Charles Bannerman said:

Precisely! And I asked how you proposed that this could have been possible from within the dugout?

Ok, I will indulge you although I would have hoped you as a journalist would have been smart enough to understood the point I was making  that no one knows what happened except those who were there which again, is what you belated post also said.

Anyway......

Possible scenarios which COULD have occurred for your benefit:

1. K could have thrown something at P,  e.g. half-empty bottle of water, packet of chewing gum, a pointless guff of a local newspaper etc etc.

2. P and K could have been arguing as he was entering the dugout and K could have lashed out with a foot, an arm, or thrown something (see 1)

3. K was already standing as P approached and lashed out first or thrown something (see 1)

4. K could have verbally threatened violence which is assault or thrown something (see 1)

Of course I doubt it happened that way and that brings me back to my original point, WE DON'T KNOW, ONLY THOSE IN THE DUGOUT KNOW which again seemed to be the point of your post. 

8 minutes ago, Charles Bannerman said:

How does Ancient Mariner propose Kellacher might have "got physical first" from within the dugout?

 

I didn't suggest that, I said "How do you know Kellacher didn't get physical first?" 

I was merely suggesting that we don't know what happened, only those there do and all we see is some photos which represent a fraction of what happened.

A point you elaborated on in the very post you asked the question...! 

10 minutes ago, Jockdoonsouth said:

How is speaking the truth an outrageous personal slur? Pull your head out of your arse and see what has happened - a player comes off the pitch and thinks I know I will smack one of the "reputable" coaches for no reason. Having heard him from the dugout - he is not so angelic as some might think. **** me are you so stupid as to believe that Polworth was totally implicit in the scenario and Kellacher did nothing wrong? This is the problem with this club, in fact this forum, half the time the fucktards in charge are in a state of denial - it's all to do with cliques. As soon the club, and a few people on here, realise that cliques are toxic and destroy - the sooner things might actually start to get better. The club is a running ******* joke. Half the whinging and whiney ******** on here a ******* joke. Wake up and smell the coffee people. Sometimes I do feel the term Teuchter was coined for the mentality of Caley supporters and the club. It's plain ******* embarrassing.

I may not agree with the tone but I think you've nailed it......