starchief

What happens if he makes a complete fist of it?

And Graeme Spiers saying the interesting thing about the SPL is Aberdeen or Dundee United. Who will finish second?

 

 

Where is the evidence for this. If the team gets to a final, wins a cup and finishes top 6 again, why would Hughes want to dismantle the team. If he keeps this team together, then he has a really strong base to work from and his job is much more secure. ]

 

My worry is it'll be the players doing whatever they can to get away from him, not him wanting to dismantle the squad.

 

 

This is what's happened to ICT during Butcher's reign, apart from this season.  It'll be no surprise when our best players leave for a higher pay packet as they always have done.  Don't believe we can lay that at Yogi's feet.

Didn't think Dundee United were boring to watch.  Thought his tactics were very strong in raising DU from relegation favourites to near top of the SPL.  I came to the opposite conclusion with a talented Hibs side that played hoofball and went sliding down the table under Hughes.  What's entertaining about Liam Miller and John Rankin watch the ball sail over their head, Riordan sprinting to the bye-line trying to catch up and lob a blind hope ball into a box for Nish to have it bounce off him?

Paul Sturrock may have had a lot of clubs but I wouldn't say journeyman.  He's excelled in a number of posts, with an enviable promotion record.

That said...

It's not my choice but it's done.  Time to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt and welcome him.  You never know.

(GK) Mark Brown at his best was near Scotland quality. Hence, Celtic.

(RB) There's only one.  Ross Tokely.

(LB) Been a few good 'uns.  Hastings in his youth was superb.  Suffered when Dods left second time around. Gillet as well was solid.  But I'll go for Djeb...nah, just kidding.  Mr G Shinnie, just over Hastings.

(CBs) Difficult one.  Warren stands out.  He's the only one you could see dominating the centre-back position in any team outside the Old Firm. Alongside him? Probably just about go for Munro. Little to choose between him, Dods and Mann though.

(RM/LM) Shame we didn't get the best of Robson but he's in there, along with Wilson. Always a good, talented, reliable player in multiple positions. As well as Hayes, Rankin deserves a mention.

(CMs) He's a little ned but Black was a great player for us.  Alongside him, Foran would make it a formidable midfield.  If one doesn't get you, the other will. No escape.

(ATT) Definitely Mackay. How can we look beyond potentially the top scorer in the SPL? I'd liked to have seen Stewart in the top divisions but it's so difficult to tell. Brewster is certainly there.  Dargo was sensational in the short time he was here and just edges it from Wyness. Mind you, in the real world, Brewster would be a target man alongside A.N. Other.

Seem to remember that in the straight choice between Robbo and Butcher, Tel was the fans choice.  Different scenario here.

I'm kind of "Didn't want him, not keen on him, but prepared to give him a chance", which straddles both Optimistic and Fairly Disappointed.  So, not voting at the moment.

Contrary to some, the only positive might be that he brings in Riordan.  Horrible person, terrific player.  Could say the same about Foran.

Both Jimmy Calderwood and Robbo more popular than Yogi in the poll.  I'd have been happy with either.

I thought Butcher was unlucky with a few jobs (Coventry mainly but was also sacked pretty early on with others).  Can't say the same thing with Hughes.  Up-and-at-'em only works for so long, then tactics take over.

I can only presume we didn't actually have 'quality' applicants (although I agree with no Hartley - no commitment should mean no job).

 

 

I for one will be glad to see the back of long ball guff anyway

 

A lot of Hibs play during Hughes tenure was long punts up the park bypassing the midfield.

 

 

Dislike. I cant recall much of his spell at Hibs TBH but seemed to recall his Falkirk side playing neat passing football. hopefully the long ball at Hibs was down to crap players an not his tactics

 

Not with a midfield of Rankin, Liam Miller and Riordan.  I used to get so frustrated at such a potentially good midfield having to watch the ball sail over their heads, then run down to the corner flag for a big lump into the box.  Their centre-halfs were Hogg and Ian Murray.  Not exactly hoofers (esp. Murray), unless they were told to.

As I said at his sacking from Hibs:

"Despite building an impressive number of attackers, including new signing Ed van der Graffe, Yogi prefers to ‘have some point to the passing’. Unfortunately, this generally means lugging the ball up to a chase down the wings. A team with Hibs talent should be doing so much better."

Not so sure this means an end to the long ball.

Was never really convinced by the "they came becaue of Butcher".  They came coz they were in lower league football, reserves or heading nowhere. 

Maybe Foran was an exception.  Here's a piece I wrote a few years ago on Yogi and Hibs.  They weren't far off a cracking team then.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/starchief/2009/11/01/the-rise-of-hibs-the-new-force-in-scottish-football/

And here's my piece about Yogi being sacked

http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/starchief/2010/10/05/john-hughes-first-managerial-casualty-of-the-season/

Was never really convinced by the "they came becaue of Butcher".  They came coz they were in lower league football, reserves or heading nowhere. 

Maybe Foran was an exception.  Here's a piece I wrote a few years ago on Yogi and Hibs.  They weren't far off a cracking team then.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/soccer/starchief/2009/11/01/the-rise-of-hibs-the-new-force-in-scottish-football/

Hughes built a truly great Hibs team, being short of a couple of quality players to be a real force.  However, he just couldn't stop the slide.  As I've said previously, he needs a good tactician, otherwise it could happen again.

I'd still rather Jimmy Calderwood. Enviable record at both the Dons and the Pars.  A lot better than any of the other choices, bar potentially Hartley and arguably Levein.  But if Hartley has said he doesn't want to live in the Highlands, best shot of him. No part-timers please.

I'm amazed Billy Reid is still out of a job.  Did incredible things at Accies, winning promotion twice and bringing in millions.  He'd be a real coup for a club with that behind him.

Leicester were nearly bankrupt. Levein's job was to get the wage and age down. He was angry that the backing from the board disappeared, even though they said they would support him losing millions of pounds of players without adequate replacement meaning a relegation fight.  I think he was niaive there.

He did well at Hearts.  Can't deny that.  At DU though, he took over a failing club (from Brewster).  Completely turned it around.  Played good football (not negative) and did well on tactics.  Hence, why he was offered the Scotland job.

The Scotland job didn't suit him but can't deny he is a good club manager.  If it's between Craig and Hartley, there's nothing to choose.  I'd be happy with either.  Prefer Hartley if he has a good assistant that's worked in full-time football.  His own version of Donald Park as it were. But wouldn't be disappointed by Levein.  Hartley is a bigger risk.

 

Immigrants from poorer countries willing to work.

 

Sorted 

 

Only when you class a brain surgeon as the same as a low-skilled person.  Immigrant isn't a nationality or a measure of skill or employability.  Each must be judged on merit and need for the country.  Amongst some nationalities, unemployment is 5x that of the host (and it's not down to racism either as there are clear differences between countries of the same race).

And economics isn't the only reason.  For every new person, energy must be burned and resources must be found.

Immigrants from poorer countries willing to work longer for less money.

Leaning more to No now.  Nicola's proposition of increasing the population is a complete anathema to my viewpoint.  For a myriad of social, environmental and economical reasons, I'm against population growth in Edinburgh, Scotland, the UK, Europe and the World.  I couldn't vote for anyone that has that as a main plank of their policies.

Also, although I was very pro-Europe a few years ago, the near-collapse has turned the EU from a federal-leaning organisation into a centralised undemocratic monster.  All the other countries had to join the Euro with the EU.  Scotland may be different but apparently Spain will not accept simple inherited accession and I see no reason why the rest of the UK will join in with a Sterling-zone, except in the very short-term.  Just enough to cut their ties.

1. The loss of local players. I don't bother watching the EPL anymore. Thankfully, not quite as bad as in the SPL but a team dominated by Africans, Spaniards and South Americans doesn't represent, e.g. Sunderland, Aston, Arsenal etc.

2. Pretending to be injured.  So embarrasing. If you need treatment, then off the pitch for a minimum of 5 mins to protect your health and safety. Anything else is reckless or play-acting. It would cut it out straight away.

3. Young players leaving for a seat on the reserve benches at a Championship club or somewhere, rather than helping Aberdeen, Dundee United etc. to win cups, do better in Europe and so on, thereby enhancing their profile, developing their talents in first-team football and helping their club achieve success...which would enable them to bring in/keep players thereby...see beginning and repeat.  It would help the whole league.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Sutton would be a horrible choice.  We need a big personality to take the team forward, and I'm led to believe he has a personality that makes Craig Levein look like Barack Obama!

Mind you, Henrik Larsson's boring drawl makes Sutton look like Churchill.

Fully agree.  There's nothing to pin any faith on Sutton on.

Why?

Please not Sutton.  There's no reason to take someone so unproven.

Levein, Hartley and....?  I wonder.    I'm going to guess Burley.

You mean Renegade. My bits are in red. I'm quite happy with some of the names.