starchief

Does Tansey have the guile and energy for the attacking mid role?  A good shot on him but I see him as one of the defensive midfielders primarily.

Yeah but we can still take the proverbial.

I don't think anyone is in the:

"Those who didn't want Hughes at any price and wanted him sacked regardless of what he may achieve"

category.

If so, who?

I won't pick out an individual team as it depends who we're playing / injuries and the rest.  What I would say is it's 2 from Draper, Foran and Tansey in a 4-2-3-1.  Vincent could be the link man but he's not recovered from injury yet.  I'd really like to see Marley in there.  Think he could be a relevation, causing a host of problems and a few goals.

We should use subs more wisely.  Just imagine, say, Ross and Doran on for 60 mins, then we bring on Greenhalgh and Willams 10 mins apart.  That would rip apart the tired defenders.  Good quick breaking players, happy to get more of a run out.

So basically, we had:

Hibs want to sign high-flying ICT manager

Butcher heads to talks

Despite being ICTs manager, he sits with the Hibs board

Butcher signs for Hibs as he can achieve his ambitions there

Hibs don't seem to realise Butcher started with a relegation at ICT and near-relegation with 'Well

Results don't go as well as planned

Hibs fans show their usual support

Now all we need is relegation and we're back full circle

He's following the ICT model.  Get relegated.  Bounce back up.  Spend a season establishing themselves.  Begin to improve.  Get somewhere, then leave. 'm sure the Hibs management and supporters are fine with that

You've obviously never taught Alex.  Teaching (and lecturing) involve huge amounts of unpaid overtime.  I've never managed to take my holidays yet.  Every weekend and most evenings involve working.  The deadlines are far tighter than any consultancy and immovable.  Illness means working, not matter what.  I earn thousands less than in industry (but the rewards are greater in other areas).

Try preparing a 10 minute presentation.  Now go for a 3 hour presentation.  Every day.  For weeks on end.  Not easy.

I don't teach in schools (tried it for a morning  -  ooof, never again) but being unable to control students (or throw them out) all comes from upstairs.  What I'd give to be able to teach the way I believe it should be taught...but it's a business now.

Message to self: KEEP MOUTH SHUT IN FUTURE!!

Big 3 points with another good display according to ICT Twitter page.

So on the basis of a single game, you have decided Hughes should not be sacked.  So next week, if we lose, it will be back to 'sack Hughes'?  Hope you're never my boss.  It'd be like getting stuck in a revolving door.

Fail to make the top six?  Hibs are breaking a leg to get ino the relegation play-off spot.

As with Batman, maybe he wasn't what ICT fans wanted, but what they needed.

Yeah, we had ideas above our station.  None of that now.  I really believe we can avoid relegation next year.

I'm sure we can do it.

BELIEVE!

Calling for a managers head, days after we lost a major trophy by penalty taking by, in one instance, a player that was hardly able to walk up to the ball never mind kick it. But this fatigue was the managers fault - of course he had played 130 minutes of football and this following a hard 90 minutes just days before - this midweek game was also no doubt his managers fault. Had the ball entered the net with the resultant confidence flowing onto the following kick takers, this topic would be laughable . However as you say, it is all big Johns fault.

As you'll see (in fact, you even posted on the thread), this is not a simple reaction to a cup final loss.  That I can forgive.  Even celebrate as a step up.

Probably because we wouldn't have got relegated if Brew had been sacked earlier.  The fans shouted for it.  I presume you were backing the manager and felt Brewster should have stayed as managerial ability somehow doesn't seem to matter?  Somehow, we go on bad runs and good runs but nothing to do with tactics, coaching and team selection?

Confidence will only take you so far.  Managerial ability a lot further - in either direction!

Exactly, we're no bigger than the clubs below us and a good bit smaller than a lot of them.

And yet, we were in second place and going strong.

We're on a bad run and considering the season we had been having, nobody was going to find it easy taking over the team.

Why bother hiring a manager if he has no influence on the team?  His job is to stop a bad run!

If we're down in the bottom two places 2a quarter of the way into next season then this question should be asked.

So, basically, we have a team that has successive years of getting promoted, stabilising itself, becoming top of its economic rivals and now an established top 6 team with a cup final behind it, now dropping down to being a relegation threatened team, even though the playing staff has remained the same?  That would mean sacking in any other sphere of business.

I wasn't calling for Butcher's head.  Thought he improved us from Brew's team and gave us a fighting chance.  I also liked what he did with Motherwell and was unfairly sacked by Coventry.

I also hope Yogi proves me wrong too.  Nothing in his background (except Stokes) gives me hope.  Given that people are now seeing avoiding relegation as success, even though we've signed up a successful team for next year, shows how far we've dropped.

We got the wrong man.  We either admit it now and move on, or we dive further as Yogi's background suggests, then get rid of him when the damage is done.  Or else hope we really are all idiots. First choice for me.

He'll retain my support until the chairman and board decide they want change.

I don't agree with this.  The board should have got rid of Brewster before they did.  It was all very gentlemanly but not the right thing for the club to stick with Brew - another nice guy that talked a better game than Yogi.

You really think this is all about a cup loss, instead of a massive downturn in form, some shocking results, a big drop in the league, a leaky defence and a lack of goals?  To say that next year, with a settled and good squad, we should be settling for not getting relegated is ridiculous.

And what's all this nonsense about top managers?  No-one's expecting Mourinho but most of the new manager thread had sensible suggestions for our budget.

And all this 'it would have happened anyway' nonsense.  Why on Earth did we bring in a manager then if he can't arrest a drop in form?  That's exactly what a manager is for.  Otherwise, let's save the money as no doubt there would be some natural upturn in form?!?!

What saved Fergie was his track record of success.  Yogi's track record is that when his team starts to fail, he is unable to arrest that drop.  Hughes is not Sir Alex Ferguson.

I'd of really liked to have seen what Butcher would have done any differently considering our small squad and fixture pile up, especially since he's completely revolutionised Hibs failing side into this winning machine we see before us. I do wonder where this thread would have been if John's tactics, however negative they seemed, won us our first national trophy. I wasn't a huge Hughes supporter when he first arrived, but surely give the man time to get his targets in the Summer and then judge him. Top six for the second season in succession, a cup final, and a team all signed up on one of the smallest budgets in the Premiership. You can never please some people.

You forget to mention the complete hammerings, the goal drought of 8 hours, the drop from clear second due to relegation style results, the background of the management team for not getting out of holes, the only home win being against Stranraer (after a replay), being unable to see which tactics work - all of this with the best team we've ever had.

We can (and we will I'm sure) go on with Hughes but are we really saying that, with this team, avoiding relegation next year is success???  Do you believe Yogi is the best manager we can get?  Do you think he will improve us next season?  If so, then carry on believing.  If not, why not cut our losses sooner rather than later.

We don't need Yogi to get his team embedded.  All we need is a decent manager that recognises how to play a strong squad.  That's not Hughes.

A few months into Ebbe Skovdahl's reign, Willie Miller said he should go.  It wasn't working, so best get rid of him sooner rather than later.  Aberdeen regretted not listening to him.

I feel the same about Hughes.  It's not working and his record suggests it won't improve.  There are better managers within our budget.  Yogi was a ghastly mistake.  Best to cut our losses now.

At the start of new season our first target will be 30+points to avoid relegation.

With such a good, settled team, worrying about relegation is a mark of failure.

Brill  Esson

Raven  Meekings  Warren  Devine  Tremarco  Shinnie

Draper  Foran  Tansey

Hughes didn't make the top six.  Butcher got us to top two.  Downhill since.

The cup final was down to a last minute goal against the bottom team.  Well done for that but it's hardly a strong record.

I certainly don't want Hughes to be given until the end of next season, given how good a team we've got and how badly he is playing them.

He's not wrong (for once).

I don't think it's a striker problem.  Mackay just isn't getting the chances.  It's the Vincent role that's lacking.  He's not played well since injury.  I'd like to see Watkins in the hole, with Ross on the right, Doran on the left.  Having an attacking central midfielder to back up anything knocked down by Billy, or feed short balls through is where we are truly lacking.  It's Watkins, Christie or Vincent territory.  I'd prefer to see Marley on from the start, with Ryan coming on later.