Ayeseetee

Westminster have alot to live up to for the next 10 - 15 years and if it goes tit's up then people will remember we don't have to put up with it!

1979 - 1997 - 2014 - ????

no        yes      no       ???

Start the countdown for the first of many **** up's,  the bombing of iraq and maybe syria!

If I was to make an overall prediction it would be

50 - 50  with salmond winning 2/3 games of rock paper scissors against alistair darling.

(Can't flip a coin or we would be there all night while no voters argue about what currency we should use.... )

About a month ago I stated 44% YES with all 32 Councils 'opting' for NO!

It was mainly to 'wind up' Ayeseetee, but he didn't bite! But, I'll stick with the above. It can't be any worse than my effort last Saturday when I thought Clach would win a game they lost 7-1!

I remember that   

Not sure how the overall vote will go but I think 12 regions will say yes with dundee being the highest for yes votes

"May your choices reflect your expectations rather than your hopes."

(yngwie)

"May your choices reflect your hopes not your fears."

(Nelson Mandela)

 

 Pay your taxes and get a vote. 

 

I pay taxes, into the UK treasury like everybody else. I also continue to pay Council Tax specifically in Scotland. But I don't get a vote. I'm a Scot presently living in England.

 

Meantime there are English students (and others) who are temporarily in Scotland paying minimally into any pot who will be deciding tomorrow whether I'm a foreigner in England on Friday and whether I'll be travelling with an English passport from 2016. 

 

I don't think I deserve a vote - I've moved away - but there are 1000s in Scotland with no interest in what the country will look like in 10 or 20 years who do. The way it's going they could be the difference tomorrow.

 

That's scary.

 

The way england deals with foreingers I am not surprised you are worried 

p.s I love my family in middlesbrough as much as the ones in sweden / ireland / usa so I fail to see your point....

My thought for the day:  if you can't decide whether to vote with your heart or your head, go with your head.  Your heart is merely a pump, and pumps don't make good decisions.

If you want to get literal you might want to point out that your heart is just a "pump" and has no thinking power!

Did you get that line off the labour letter sent to voters saying "If you don't know just vote no"?

 

Frankly speaking, my knees are now at the trembling stage. Why? Because this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the Scottish Nation. ONLY ONCE!

 

Great stuff Scarlet. It must be amazing to be able to stand on the sidelines in the economic safety of Canada and urge the people who have actually stayed on here to take the huge risks coming from a Yes vote and put there livelihoods on the line. Meanwhile all you have to worry about is having a moan about you're British pension.

 

You're first post here in over a month and that's the best argument you have?

Stay classy 

On the "new poll" topic Ayseeteee says posting is disabled since we already have enough independence topics going.

 

In that case why the HELL has he started yet another one especally since weve got the real poll in a few weeks time?

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-betfair-pay-out-on-no-vote-1-3543402

A bit presumptuous from bet fair bunch of c#*?'s

Maybe it is just on my end?

This proves it works boths ways....

I am guessing he made the transition from acid to anti-depressants too quickly hence the whole hair / eyebrows situation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if that will sway undecideds more than doofer moaning, he can't accept the fact it's not about the snp.... and when I bring up the parties that support the no camp (UKIP/BNP) he goes off on one!

 

 

Of course it's not just about the SNP.  There are folk in other parties and none who support the YES campaign, and, as I have pointed out before, the next time there is a Scottish parliamentary election the electorate may well decide to put another party in power.  But the SNP are the party of Government and it is their proposals for running the country after a "YES" vote that the YES campaign is constantly pushing as if this was an election and not a referendum.  As the SNP are so prominent in the YES campaign, one can hardly ignore them.

 

UKIP and the BNP are both opposed to independence but that should come as no surprise given their names.  But they are not associated with the Better Together campaign, I doubt whether anyone in the BT campaign thinks that those parties stating their views is of any support to the NO camp and it is rather silly to suggest that anyone who who is opposed to independence must somehow share their views.

 

UKIP are simply exploiting the situation for their own political ends.  I have no idea what arguments the BNP may have but I suspect their prime motivation for urging a "No" vote is so that they don't lose the fees of their Scottish members.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/07/poll-scottish-independence-nationalist-yougov

I was just looking at some pictures of politicans before they started in politics and it reminds me of the before and after pictures of crystal meth users...

 

 

 

 

 

Doofers Dad -your post 1370. You say this is a Referendum, not an Election.---------------Correct!

Except that it will be the first that Scotland has been allowed to hold by Westminster in 300 years, I do believe. And if the "no" vote succeeds it will in all likelihood be the last.  This is show-time, or showdown-time, ladies and gentlemen. 

If you do not vote "yes" you could  live with regret for the rest of your lives because there will be no second chance as Westminster tightens it's grip on your life -- and your pocketbook. It will be same old, same old, after the dust settles and they realize thatb nthey have won and escaped doom and gloom. 

Did they let William Wallace off the hook with a slap on the wrist after they caught him after a 7 year-hunt? Not only did they kill him they physically ripped him to shreds in vengeance for his rebellious spirit to let the populace know who was the boss.

 

 

Dougie Danger: Post # 1372. ...." The whole idea of British fair play has been exposed as a myth. The British elite are the most conniving, serf-interested group that you could imagine."

Now, you and I are about 6,000 miles apart so clearly there is no collusion between us as to what we think or want to post.but isn't that almost exactly what I said in my thread about the expat pensioners based on my own experience and observations. 

The fact that British Justice and fair play is a myth.

 

Folks,  it always has been about greed, money or power. It's only about fair play when it serves their interest or agendas.

There have been referendums on devolution but this is the first on Independence.  But the point here is that there has not been one before simply because the level of support for Independence in the past has always been so low.  Far from being the case that if we don't vote for Independence now we will never get another chance, I think the very fact we are having a referendum when the historical support for independence has been so low is actually quite revealing.

 

It is actually quite extraordinary that not only are we having a referendum, we are having one which simply requires a majority of votes cast to make this major constitutional change.  Compare that with the requirements common within businesses and other organisations for constitutional changes!   We are also having a referendum without first having a lengthy procedure to develop a package for separation for putting to the electorate at the referendum.  In these circumstances, in the event of a "No" vote and a continuing sustained level of support for independence then it is inconceivable that the UK Government would not allow a further vote.

 

I think we have moved on a bit from William Wallace (at least we in the "No" camp have   ).  Following the "No" result on Thursday there will be no public execution of Alex Salmond or any other form of retribution.  The better together camp is of the view that we are better together.  That means that Scotland is better off in the Union and that the Union  is better off for Scotland being in it.  Any kind of backlash against Scotland for having dared to consider leaving the Union would be totally counter-productive as it would only serve to add fuel to the nationalist fire.

 

As for fair play - I am sure the UK Government could always introduce that and remove the extra £1200 per head public funding Scotland currently gets.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is precisely the kind of behaviour that will drive any remaining undecided votes into the "No" camp on Thursday.

 

http://www.retail-week.com/sectors/food/grocery-bosses-meet-david-cameron-as-scottish-independence-debate-escalates/5064114.article

I wonder if that will sway undecideds more than doofer moaning, he can't accept the fact it's not about the snp.... and when I bring up the parties that support the no camp (UKIP/BNP) he goes off on one!

 

A wee video of yessers in inverness yesterday

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alwLk4t4xtA#t=12

 

 

This is a very poor turn out considering there are around 60,000 people in the vicinity of Inverness.  Of all the people that I know in Scotland none of them are voting Yes -  that includes many, many people in Inverness.  I reckon there will be a lot of disappointed Yes voters the day after the Referendum.

 

Nice of you to jump to conclusions like that.... Did I ever say it was a show of numbers or that we invited everyone in inverness to come down?

You can't just take a snapshot of one poll without knowing the how many took part and from what area's or even the means of participation was it online / phone / knocking at doors?

 

 

 

Doofers Dad -your post 1370. You say this is a Referendum, not an Election.---------------Correct!

Except that it will be the first that Scotland has been allowed to hold by Westminster in 300 years, I do believe. And if the "no" vote succeeds it will in all likelihood be the last.  This is show-time, or showdown-time, ladies and gentlemen. 

If you do not vote "yes" you could  live with regret for the rest of your lives because there will be no second chance as Westminster tightens it's grip on your life -- and your pocketbook. It will be same old, same old, after the dust settles and they realize thatb nthey have won and escaped doom and gloom. 

Did they let William Wallace off the hook with a slap on the wrist after they caught him after a 7 year-hunt? Not only did they kill him they physically ripped him to shreds in vengeance for his rebellious spirit to let the populace know who was the boss.

 

 

Dougie Danger: Post # 1372. ...." The whole idea of British fair play has been exposed as a myth. The British elite are the most conniving, serf-interested group that you could imagine."

Now, you and I are about 6,000 miles apart so clearly there is no collusion between us as to what we think or want to post.but isn't that almost exactly what I said in my thread about the expat pensioners based on my own experience and observations. 

The fact that British Justice and fair play is a myth.

 

Folks,  it always has been about greed, money or power. It's only about fair play when it serves their interest or agendas.

There have been referendums on devolution but this is the first on Independence.  But the point here is that there has not been one before simply because the level of support for Independence in the past has always been so low.  Far from being the case that if we don't vote for Independence now we will never get another chance, I think the very fact we are having a referendum when the historical support for independence has been so low is actually quite revealing.

 

It is actually quite extraordinary that not only are we having a referendum, we are having one which simply requires a majority of votes cast to make this major constitutional change.  Compare that with the requirements common within businesses and other organisations for constitutional changes!   We are also having a referendum without first having a lengthy procedure to develop a package for separation for putting to the electorate at the referendum.  In these circumstances, in the event of a "No" vote and a continuing sustained level of support for independence then it is inconceivable that the UK Government would not allow a further vote.

 

I think we have moved on a bit from William Wallace (at least we in the "No" camp have   ).  Following the "No" result on Thursday there will be no public execution of Alex Salmond or any other form of retribution.  The better together camp is of the view that we are better together.  That means that Scotland is better off in the Union and that the Union  is better off for Scotland being in it.  Any kind of backlash against Scotland for having dared to consider leaving the Union would be totally counter-productive as it would only serve to add fuel to the nationalist fire.

 

*As for fair play - I am sure the UK Government could always introduce that and remove the extra £1200 per head public funding Scotland currently gets.

 

 

Uh-oh, mask slipping again.  The inner Nigel. 

 

 

 

*We put in £1600 in tax per head

 

 

 

 

 

If you want scotland to be independent vote yes if not vote no because neither side has been able to prove if we would be £500 better or worse off and it's come to this!

 

 

 

 

Personally I think that it is pretty clear we will be worse off if we trust the SNP to lead us into independence because the wish list they have been bribing the electorate with will require us to borrow billions which we will only be able to repay through a major austerity programme at a time when rUK has moved into a budget surplus and is significantly increasing public spending in a sustainable way.

 

However, I accept you probably won't agree with that so let's leave that aside and accept what you say.  Surely what you say is an argument for voting no for two good reasons.

 

Firstly, if you are not sure whether we will be better off or not then it is better to stick with what we know.  As things stand we are a prosperous and happy nation within the UK and at worst we will be no worse off than our neighbours in the UK if we vote no.  If we vote YES it is possible we will do better than them but if not, we will no longer have the stability of the rest of the Union to fall back on,.

 

Secondly, a YES vote is irrevocable.  Even if we wanted to go back into the Union it would no longer be in our hands.  But if we vote "no" and there continues to be significant support for independence then it is absolutely inevitable that a further referendum will follow in due course.  And of course, the uncertainty of whether we will be better or worse off etc is one of the scandals of the whole referendum process. 

 

It is highly revealing that the SNP are proposing a convention to explore the detail of a written constitution for Scotland.  What they propose is for all political parties and a range of interested bodies and individuals to be involved prior to drawing up a proposed constitution which would then be put to the Scottish people in a referendum.  In relation to this, Alex Salmond has said that it is important that people know what they are voting for.  That is really positive but it does rather beg the question that if it is appropriate to do that for the constitution, why oh why are we not doing it for the far more important question of whether or not we should be an independent nation in the first place!  A "No" vote will allow us the opportunity to revisit the issue and to do so in a more mature way so that people know what they are voting for.  I have no ill will at the concept of independence but I am not going to vote for it when those leading the campaign cannot answer simple questions such as what currency we would use, will we be a member of NATO, and will we be a member of the EU and if so, under what terms etc.  Nor will I vote for it when there is no accepted consensus on the basic financial and other facts upon separation.  The reason the SNP have not called for that kind of convention to develop terms for independence which we could vote on is easy to see - it is because they know that at the present time the electorate would not vote for independence if we had the answers to the questions they refuse to answer.  But that might not always be the case.

 

A Yes vote is for those who want independence for better or worse.  A No vote is for those of us who want what is best for Scotland - and that may or may not mean an independent Scotland at some point in the future.  I think there are a lot of people who in their hearts would like to see Scotland as an independent nation but know that at this time it is not in Scotland's best interests.  Hopefully people will have the good sense to let their heads rule their hearts on Friday and we will be able to continue with Scotland's journey of development and progress within the Union.

 

 

 

typical UKIP / BNP unionist drivel... eurosceptics are more harmful to Scotland than independence could ever be!

 

( I can bring party politics into this aswell )

 

   

 

Another typical cogently argued post from the YES camp.

 

UKIP! BNP! Eurosceptic!  Where do get this nonsense from?

 

You state "eurosceptics are more harmful to Scotland than independence could ever be!"  It is just as well then that the 3 major parties in the UK parliament all support Britain's membership of the EU.  I appreciate it was a while ago, but when the UK voted to join the UK, 67% voted to join but for Scotland the figure was only 58%.   On those figures you are more likely to remain in the EU by staying in the UK then becoming independent.  Surely if the Scots are voting for independence because they want to have control of their own destiny, they are not going to vote to join the EU - a union whose laws take primacy and in which Scotland's handful of MEPs would have next to no influence.

You made it about party politics when you kept mentioning your secret crush, but I was just reminding you of the parties supporting your cause and the horrible racists who bully and are aggressive towards people from another country that are just looking for a better life and that they agree with the no camp and are on your side... and that's before I even mention the Tories   

But fire on make it a popularity contest between Salmond and Cameron and see who wins!

 

 

 

If you want scotland to be independent vote yes if not vote no because neither side has been able to prove if we would be £500 better or worse off and it's come to this!

 

 

 

 

Personally I think that it is pretty clear we will be worse off if we trust the SNP to lead us into independence because the wish list they have been bribing the electorate with will require us to borrow billions which we will only be able to repay through a major austerity programme at a time when rUK has moved into a budget surplus and is significantly increasing public spending in a sustainable way.

 

However, I accept you probably won't agree with that so let's leave that aside and accept what you say.  Surely what you say is an argument for voting no for two good reasons.

 

Firstly, if you are not sure whether we will be better off or not then it is better to stick with what we know.  As things stand we are a prosperous and happy nation within the UK and at worst we will be no worse off than our neighbours in the UK if we vote no.  If we vote YES it is possible we will do better than them but if not, we will no longer have the stability of the rest of the Union to fall back on,.

 

Secondly, a YES vote is irrevocable.  Even if we wanted to go back into the Union it would no longer be in our hands.  But if we vote "no" and there continues to be significant support for independence then it is absolutely inevitable that a further referendum will follow in due course.  And of course, the uncertainty of whether we will be better or worse off etc is one of the scandals of the whole referendum process. 

 

It is highly revealing that the SNP are proposing a convention to explore the detail of a written constitution for Scotland.  What they propose is for all political parties and a range of interested bodies and individuals to be involved prior to drawing up a proposed constitution which would then be put to the Scottish people in a referendum.  In relation to this, Alex Salmond has said that it is important that people know what they are voting for.  That is really positive but it does rather beg the question that if it is appropriate to do that for the constitution, why oh why are we not doing it for the far more important question of whether or not we should be an independent nation in the first place!  A "No" vote will allow us the opportunity to revisit the issue and to do so in a more mature way so that people know what they are voting for.  I have no ill will at the concept of independence but I am not going to vote for it when those leading the campaign cannot answer simple questions such as what currency we would use, will we be a member of NATO, and will we be a member of the EU and if so, under what terms etc.  Nor will I vote for it when there is no accepted consensus on the basic financial and other facts upon separation.  The reason the SNP have not called for that kind of convention to develop terms for independence which we could vote on is easy to see - it is because they know that at the present time the electorate would not vote for independence if we had the answers to the questions they refuse to answer.  But that might not always be the case.

 

A Yes vote is for those who want independence for better or worse.  A No vote is for those of us who want what is best for Scotland - and that may or may not mean an independent Scotland at some point in the future.  I think there are a lot of people who in their hearts would like to see Scotland as an independent nation but know that at this time it is not in Scotland's best interests.  Hopefully people will have the good sense to let their heads rule their hearts on Friday and we will be able to continue with Scotland's journey of development and progress within the Union.

 

typical UKIP / BNP unionist drivel... eurosceptics are more harmful to Scotland than independence could ever be!

( I can bring party politics into this aswell )

A wee video of yessers in inverness yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alwLk4t4xtA#t=12

I am having trouble with my avatar and when I finally found one that worked it seems to have caused a bug!

The picture you see next to my post is not the same as the one you see when you view my profile. 

This cloud has just drifted over my house.

You get clouds going past your house, we have clouds AND nukes 

Want to trade?

http://glasgow.stv.tv/articles/282363-nuclear-weapons-driven-through-scotlands-streets-cnd-chief-john-ainslie/

 

tesco raise their price

 

adsa raise their price

 

morrisons stays the same

 

 

who will get the most business and who will lose customers and money?

 

It is indeed a highly competitive market, but if ALL the major retailers are faced with the same upward cost pressures then sooner or later they all have to pass those costs on to the customer, that's just how it works. 

 

I fail to understand how prices will rise since everything is in place now so that each store makes a profit?

I worked in the eastfield way Tesco for 3 years and we turned out more profit than most English stores...

If you want scotland to be independent vote yes if not vote no because neither side has been able to prove if we would be £500 better or worse off and it's come to this!

Also the German bank has had 2-3 years to pipe up why did they leave until 7 days before we vote if it's going to cause a collapse of the world markets?

7. The imf have never known to be wrong:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-08/comedy-forecast-errors-here-are-imfs-latest-projections-economic-growth

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jul/24/another-uk-growth-forecast-dollop-egg-face-imf-international-monetary-fund

http://www.ibtimes.com/uk-economic-recovery-imf-apologizes-osborne-getting-it-wrong-1596052

tesco raise their price

adsa raise their price

morrisons stays the same

who will get the most business and who will lose customers and money?