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If you read back you will see that I have already said that it could be any one of three....Dundee, Falkirk or Dunfermline who would all have a case. I was asked for my opinion on who I thought would have the strongest case and, having read all 100+ pages of them several times, I can tell you that there is no specific rule to cover it and it will come down to interpretation. My interpretation is that Dunfermline could have the strongest case. Unlike yourself, I've never claimed there was a rule which said Dunfermline were a shoe-in. Instead of getting all arsy over it with the childish "must try harder" BS, perhaps you might just want to point me to the rule that says that subsequent positions are filled by the 2nd placed team from Division 1. FWIW, I think it should be as you say, but the rules don't support that....if they did then we wouldn't be having a discussion on the possibilities of totally new team who have no previous league record at all being submitted to the SPL now would we!!!

Me too, but that is how it sits at present.

ICTRoughi...as I understand it, the sale of the Assets will still have to be given the thumbs up by the liquidators (BDO), which might not be as straight forward as they first thought given that Smiths consortium had made a higher bid for the assets. There's also the small matter of one of the people Green said was part of his consortium now denying that is the case and that particular person is believed to have been one of the larger financial contributors!!! The player thing is also up in the air and Greens claims that Players cannot walk-away have been undermined by an expert in Sports Law and a lecturer in law from the University of Stirling. The only thing that seems certain at the moment is that Green has a company called "The Rangers Football Club" which he intends to use as the vehicle for the new club. If either of the above end up in a legal tussle then it's game over for Rangers in terms of getting anything in place to allow them to participate in any league next season as it could take months (or longer) for it all to be sorted out.

It's actually the liquidators who will have the vote as they (will) control the company. Rangers (the OldCo) still own the share and that share entitles them to vote. As I understand it though, there's a whole lot that needs to happen before a vote can be taken and it's feasible that by then the SPL will have found a legally sound way in which to take back that share. Before a vote can take place..... A NewCo needs to be formed. It needs to have joined the SFA. It needs a compliant stadium. It needs a team. Directors need to be declared "fit and proper persons to run a club". And before any of the above can happen.....they need money!!!! It's one thing to offer up a few million to buy the assets, quite another to get the money together to put everything else in place...and to put it all in place in a VERY short timescale.

Just a wee reminder that when quoting from other sites you should not quote in full and you should provide a link to the original article. Aside from the copyright issues, it's just good manners, especially as we expect the same when others quote from this site....thanks muchly.

Those rules are apparently effective from 14 May 2012 - one day after the SPL season ended. What did the old ones say? I'd imagine much the same but I thought i would be a pendantic git! Rule H5 hasn't changed

If you are right, Tree, then as I said....we're screwed either way. The Status Quo isn't manageable - as stated above we are already operating with a £250,000 average shortfall year on year. If Rangers were allowed to submit a new team and the threatened "walk out" occurs then that position will be made worse and could push us over the edge....even allowing for the additional income from C*unty. The other side of the coin is as outlined above. Not sure I want to accept the reality of a situation which says that ICT fans would be willing to sit back and watch the club die....never before have I hoped so much that I am wrong.

As much as I agree with much of what has been said on here and share many of the same feelings on the subject, I find myself coming back to the question I asked before. Are fans willing to step up to the plate and plug the (potential) financial shortfall that comes with the loss of the "Rangers" related income (notably the League Sponsorship and TV Money). The hows and whys of how we got here are, when push comes to shove, irrelevant. We can continue wasting our time arguing about how Chairman should or should not vote (a vote that's not even on the table yet and may never get there)....or we can start thinking and preparing for worst case scenario. Whether we like it or not the worst case scenario, financially, is no Rangers related club in the SPL. If we, the fans, get what we want in that regard.....then what next? Where does the money come from to put a team on the park? Where does the money come from to honour existing contracts? Who pays the bills, who pays the wages of the off-field staff? Just to be clear, I am not making an argument for accepting a Rangers NewCo into the SPL here. What I am asking is that will fans be as passionate about fighting for the survival of the club if such a move doesn't transpire as they have been about giving their opinions on what should happen? If not, then the game's a bust regardless of what happens and we may as well all pack up now, wind up ICT and save ourselves the grief of even trying to make it work.

Read the Daily Record article this morning and you have to give reporters credit for producing stories from next to nothing. Three pages of bluster from a couple of lines apparently said by a "Sky Insider" which, as far as we know, could be wee Jimmy who makes sure the cameraman doesn't trip over the cables at Ibrox. You really have to ask why they weren't reporting so heavily on the rumours a couple of days ago that Sky had given the SPL assurances that a deal would be done regardless of the Rangers situation!!! Don't know what's worse, the Daily Records continued attempts to fight the Rangers "cause" or that the story will be an irrefutable "Fact" in the eyes of the readership by the time most people have finished their breakfast.

No they don't. Yes they do. See, I can play this game as well. Rules attached.....H5 is the one you need. RULES EFFECTIVE 14 MAY 2012.pdf

Maybe if we had someone at the top of the tree who actually cared about ICT, and football in general, we could bring back some community/family feeling to the club! You clearly don't have a clue or are deliberately trying to push someones buttons with the wind-up!!!!

ICT U17's taking part in a mini football festival/tournament this weekend along with Ross County, Clach and Augsburg. More information - http://ictfc.com/news/community-news/515-inverness-football-festival

No they don't.

That's not the e.mail address I provided....the one I gave was [email protected] (st not fc) - I have no idea where (if anywhere) the one you listed goes. **Personal Opinion** - I think it important that people send their own thoughts on the matter.....canned responses are about as effective as SPAM, imo, and lots of the same e.mail coming in to one address also runs the risk of triggering SPAM filters and preventing any of the messages getting through. If you care enough to want to say something, then take the time to do it properly.

IMO, having read through all the rules and stuff (again) tonight, I think Dunfermline would be able to build the strongest case...although it would by no means be a certainty.

I fall into the "not as bad as some are saying" camp, but we should still be very careful of underestimating the cost to both the clubs and Scottish Football from all of this. I certainly do not think the problems are insurmountable, but it's going to take everyone pulling together to prove that we can make it work.

I dream of a day when we all...regardless of what part of ICT we are involved with...can all just wear one ICT hat and work together.

I'm actually in the process of doing a bit of an analysis of the SPL Rules and Articles in relation to the feasibility of a NewCo being allowed in to the SPL so it's right in front of me...... Rule A2.7 reads: "The Board may in its absolute discretion waive, relax or grant a period of grace in respect of any Club's or Candidate Club’s requirement to comply with any part of the Membership Criteria and/or Rules A2.6 and H6.1." This basically gives them power to set aside any rules they so desire (including deadlines). However, as I have pointed out in the paper I am writing.... "In summary of the Membership Criteria, more rules would have to be waived (or periods of grace given) than enforced. If this was allowed to happen then it makes a total mockery of the Membership Criteria and, as already stated, creates a very dangerous precendent....not to mention the potential for endless appeal under the following rule. A2.9 The implementation of the Membership Criteria shall be capable of appeal in accordance with the provisions of Section G of the Rules." What's more, I do not think it would (should) get as far as having to look at membership criteria. Rule A2.1 Reads.... "The League shall consist of 12 leading association football clubs in Scotland. The association football clubs eligible to participate in the League in any Season shall, subject to the Articles of Association and Rules, be those Clubs which participated in the League in the immediately preceding Season, except that, subject to Rules A2.2, A2.3 and A2.4, the Club finishing in last place in the League in the immediately preceding Season shall not be eligible to participate in the League and shall be relegated to the SFL and the Candidate Club shall be promoted from the SFL and admitted entry to the League." At it’s most basic level, no NewCo has any basis on which to make reasonable or justified argument that they are one of the 12 leading association football clubs in Scotland....they quite simply have no history/record on which to base such a claim. It is my opinion that on that basis alone then no consideration should be given to even contemplating acceptance of an application from a NewCo and removes the need for getting caught up in any rules over Membership Criteria, Share Transfers, Sanctions or any other sideshow anyone may wish to throw up. I would also like to point out that I am not doing this analysis or providing this information with the purpose of beating the club (or Chairman) over the head with it. It's just my way of getting all the points buzzing around in my head into one logically defined place which helps when it comes to discussing these things with people (including the club). I am no lawyer or legal expert but I do have a lot of experience with analysis work, especially within the strictly regulated area of financial services and it's those practices and thought processes I am applying to this. When push comes to shove, it is nothing more than my personal thoughts and opinions.

**Fan Hat On** I agree with the OP but feel that if the SPL rules were to be followed properly by the SPL Board then no vote would actually be required as any NewCo Club would fail to meet the majority of the membership criteria making anything approaching an acceptable application impossible. **Fan Hat Off** **Site Admin Hat On** Whilst I am certain that Kenny will happily read this thread it should be remembered that CaleyThistleOnline is not an official means for communicating with the club and people really should put their point of view to the club directly through one of the official channels. **Site Admin Hat Off** **Supporters Trust Hat On**​ As per the ICT Supporters Trusts recent statement..... "Should anyone, whether they are a member of the Supporters Trust or not, wish to communicate their thoughts and opinions on the matter directly with us, then they can do so by emailing [email protected] or in writing, clearly marked for the attention of the ICT Supporters Trust, Tulloch Caledonian Stadium, Stadium Road, Inverness IV1 1FF. The Board of the Supporters Trust are in regular contact with the club and we will share your communications on the matter with them. Communicating via the Supporters Trust also provides two main benefits....... 1. At a time when the Club Chairman is busy trying to sort out matters for ICT for the new season and is further burdened with the ongoing Rangers fiasco then we (the Supporters Trust) can help ease that burden by acting as an intermediary. 2. It is just as important that the Supporters Trust are as aware of the fans views as the club, especially if we are expected to represent those views. We do (obviously) read the forums and gather opinion from that, but it's hard to offer legitimacy to comments where the only identifying marker is an (often) anonymous username. **Supporters Trust Hat Off**

There is a kinda "mid point" between CVA and Liquidation whereby Creditors agree to a sale of assets to a specific individual/company for an agreed price (occurs after a CVA has been refused and liquidation process started). What I believe Green has is an agreement that if the CVA failed then he would offer a minimum of £5.5 Million for the assets.....Creditors do not have to accept that. In fact, I would be surprised if they did accept it as the £5.5 Million barely covers the administration and legal costs and creditors would get nothing. Without permission of the Creditors then the Assets cannot be "undersold" (sold for less than market value). In fact, in a liquidation scenario I believe they can go back up to 2 years to check no assets have been undersold.

Think your question is acceptable within the context of this thread...but for future, there's a big button towards the top right corner that says "Start New Topic".....will do a screen grab for you when I get back to a proper computer.

Eh?! I don't get it, are you saying Kennedy is helping a league when his team are likely to NOT be allowed in (if I am reading your post correctly)? http://ictfc.com/new...artnership-deal Rangers are not Brian Kennedys team (He's a Hibs fan). Was probably a win/win for him.....if TBK offer was accepted then it might buy some brownie points when dealing with SPL in sorting through things. As it is, it now serves as two fingers to those who rejected their offer and don't shut up about "Scotland needing Rangers".

I'd imagine that since the news is only a couple of hours old (and not ratified until the meeting tomorrow) then no date/time will have been set yet. NewCo also have to submit an application, which I also imagine has not been done as they don't really exist yet.

IMO, it is impossible for the SPL to usher a Rangers NewCo into place......and they can take all the votes they like on it. Here's why...... Before the SPL can look to having a vote on the NewCo they have to dismiss the valid applications they already have from Falkirk and Dundee....both of whom had their applications in before the 31st March deadline. To do anything else would open a whole new can of worms if Falkirk and/or Dundee decided to challenge it. There's a chance Dunfermline could also have a case if they've not yet handed over their SPL share. All this talk of Rangers NewCo "negotiating their place in the SPL" is bollocks (again, IMO). Like it or not, the NewCo can not be punished/prohibited from entering the SPL and/or have additional sanctions applied due to the actions and indiscretions of the OldCo....legally they, the NewCo, are a separate entity and not liable in any way, shape or form for the OldCo. They cannot say "Rangers NewCo, meet these conditions and you can get in" whilst ignoring the fact that Dundee and Falkirk both have valid applications on the table....or applying the same entry criteria/sanctions to Dundee/Falkirk and any other clubs applying in future. There's NO legal grounds upon which the SPL can accept Rangers NewCo into the SPL with sanctions attached...it would be considered nothing more than blackmail by the courts (be that civil or CAS). They have to decide on whether they accept any application on the same grounds as any other application, or to reject the application on the basis that Membership/Application criteria have not been met. Same goes for the SFL. If Rangers NewCo are rejected by the SPL and an SFL team is promoted then the SFL have a process to go through whereby they announce a vacancy and invite applications. Unlike the SPL, a Club License IS needed to play there, and Rangers (NewCo) would be hard pressed to qualify. This whole sorry mess is far from over.

That's how I see it D! Well, as of now, we have an 11 team SPL....as predicted. To my knowledge, the SPL only have two valid applications for the spare space which were submitted prior to the March 31st Deadline. Those are Dundee and Falkirk (Ross County having already been accepted). I hope both those teams are now on the blower pushing the SPL for a decision on which one of them will be accepted!!!