MrCaleyjag

There's only so long you can hide behind your legend status for until it catches up with you. In a way I feel sorry for him as in the cups they did well but the inconsistancy in the league was the problem not to mention that since New year i think they sit second or third bottom in performance if you only take those games into consideration. Whoever comes in has a massive job to do as they need five or six quality players brought in to even just challenge for a champions league place

Have you been let out on day release and had nothing to do?

I always have hope, it's what supporting a team and following them is all about and is far better than expectation. With hope you are less likely to be be disappointed than with expectation. For tomorrow though if we play like we did in the first 60mins of the Hibs game then yeah I genuinly believe that we can get three points

I haven't read any of the post other than the title as I didn't want to be swayed by anyone elses response before posting but in a word yes I do believe he is the man for the job however like most managers he isn't the complete package and has his faults like everyone else does. On the whole I can see what he is setting out to achieve by trying to build his own team and try and put across his own style of play and in some respects in terms of play you can see that as we have drastically cut out the long hoof up field but it still shows through sometimes, the problem though in my eyes is he changed the squad far too drastically at the end of last season whether that be through his own doing or not. I tend to think he was given a budget and told he had free reign to do what he wanted but to stick to the budget and thought he could bring in better players than he did and out of necessity ended up bringing in loanees to bolster the squad. This coupled with the lack of quality that he brought in has caused the style of play he is trying to enforce to suffer as the players aren't capable of what he is asking but to that his failing is he isn't able to adapt it to suit what he has available. That along with wanting to lower the average age of the squad meant we suffered with too little experience - just my opinion and observation. Saying that you can't take away from the fact that after going down on the last day he brought us straight back up, yes we didn't start well that season but he turned it round and we all remember the run we went on and I along with many stood on the pitch in Ayr and lauded him as he addressed everyone. We all praised him with last seasons efforts but yet so many want to get on his back for this season which is notoriously harder than the first season after coming up. In some ways maybe he's suffered by having a bit more to work with, we come up from the First Division and are still on a tight budget so he has to work with what he's got, second season in Premier and we have more of a budget and he changes it, not sure it's that simple but along those lines. What's for sure is that in order for him to win over those that are usure about him just now is he needs to adapt and certainly needs to sort out the use of subs and also the ability to change a formation or style of play to influence a game and definately earlier than he does at the moment. I also think he needs to melow out a wee bit and change the way he comes across towards players, it may have worked over the past two seasons but the team was older and could probably deal with it better, this squad is young and maybe need more of a gentler approach towards them as there is no doubt he leads with an iron fist. I have no doubt that without TB in charge from when he was we would still have went down but stayed down and languished in the First Division like Dundee have, we have many things to thank TB for but for me next season is the make or break, it'll determine whether or not what he's been trying has paid off or not. I am one of those that hopes that's true and still stand by him. The other question I ask is, who really could we attract that would do a better job and give us the style of play that as fans we all crave for? The only one I came up with is now in a job and very much vastly under-rated in my mind - John Collins

I'm afraid I have to disagree about Proctor, I just don't see it and everytime I see him play I have no confidence in him at all and certainly not as a defender. His positional play is terrible and at right back often gets caught too far inside and more often than not gives wingers/attackers far too much room, he can't read the game quickly enough to get into the correct positions either, he can't pick a pass and panics and hoofs it long, where do you want me to stop. At the moment we don't have any stand out defenders unfortunately and I just don't see where he fits into it to make it any better. I still fimrly believe and have been saying since last season that the only reason TB has kept him is because he was still in contract and has had various injuries when the transfer windows have been open. I very much doubt he'll be offered a new contract

Makes you wonder why he was even back there anyway? One of our only strikers and he wipes out a player in our own box? Sums up our season so far really

There's a lot of ifs and buts to be answered before we can really say to what extent TB will change the current squad - where we finish in the league, every place brings with it an extra £80000 or so which is one/two players wages for a year - the possible introduction of this under 20 league that has got TB in such a fury, with the prospect of not having a reserve league can a team like ourselves afford to have as many fringe players as we do and not have them playing at any level week in week out - whether we can keep certain loan players for another year or not? I would think he would be looking to try and keep Golabart for another season - how many of our out of contract players stay If we managed to keep the current crop of players which is highly unlikely we need to definately look at getting in another striker as the return this season isn't anywhere near being good enough and another central defender.

Quote of the night so far goes to TB during his pre match interview with Chick 'the sun shines out of the OF ar#e' Young when he told all the other teams in the SPL to 'get it right up yea' when talking about everyone having to travel up to the Highlands next season another twice to play County if/when they ultimately go up. It made me and Caleyjag chuckle

I do think Dunfermline will win on Saturday but don't see them challenging to come of the foot of the table, a team will always get a boost from a new manager coming in, it's only natural that they'd want to make an impression and try that little bit harder however they just don't have the spine of a team that they require to drag them up. If you look at all the teams in the bottom six too many of them are going through bad runs and I just don't see any of them going on a prolonged run of wins to drag them up from the positions they are in. Even if after the split we are in the same position I just don't see both Hibs and Dunfermline putting together enough wins together to bring them up the league, if anything we'll all take points from each other and the positions won't alter that much. There's more chance of St Mirren being dragged down below us than Dunfermline making it above us in my opinion.

I'm sure we all moan about the same thing every year when a new strip is in the offing whether it be home or away and tbh doesn't it get just a bit boring? Not bored of everyone moaning about it more that we actually have to moan about it as we shouldn't have to, not at the price we have to pay for them. I agree with Old Caley Girl with respect to the away one before last, it was awful and mine had more resemblance to a ball of wool a kitten had got to rather than a football top!! When is someone actually going to take notice of the fact that the quality is just plain sh#te, do we all need to stop buying replica tops to make a point? It is only with the strips as well, I have one of the big heavy jackets, it's warm and durable and shows no signs of wear unlike the replica strips.

If what I have heard proves to be true then the problems purely at Rangers are not all CW has to contend with at the moment. Suggestions have been made to me that just over a week ago CW received a letter from the police warning him that his life was in danger and several threats have been made against it not to mention that a hit has been ordered also. I believe he massively underestimated the backlash and fallout that would occur through doing what he has done and right from the outset he had it in his mind to go down this exact road. For him the best that can come out of this now, and not what he first set out to do which was liquidation, is for Rangers to acquire a new buyer/owner before it goes into liquidation and then carry on in administration until the big tax case is finished as CaleyD suggested. Quite when and how he managed to aquire the backing of Ticketus is yet to come out but if he did so before he took control of Rangers then he surely must be liable for that debt as he secured it on his own back outwith Rangers as a viable business at the time to back him. For me there is no way that the Rangers board at the time, remember it included John Greig and Martin Bain, would have agreed to and voted on this ridiculous deal as there is nothing to suggest that it would have helped out the club in the long run. It's like the bank giving me a mortgage based on the fact I have been told that I was due a 50% pay rise but might not actually occur, the same way I cannot see them agreeing to a loan based on future season ticket sales which can't be 100% guaranteed either not to mention the fact they could surely not do without that money to run the club over the three years in question and would be facing an even bigger shortfall in finances as a result. There are so many ifs and buts still to be answered and they will never come from CW, the best hope Rangers fans have is that the administrators get to the bottom of it and if indeed they were in on it at the start I think they too have now found themselves in a position where they don't want to be and the only viable solution for them is to now find a new buyer/backer and let the club continue. Do they want to be seen as the company that liquidated Glasgow Rangers Football Club?

It's a pity he can't use that 6th sense of his to anticipate what players are going to do so he can actually be where he should be and prevent us conceding since he is supposed to be a defender.

Yeah it was probably the best night of the Premier League last night, I love the darts and watch it anytime it's on. Phil Taylors 3-dart average last night was a Premier League record and the 2nd highest 3-dart average ever recorded in any match, he currently holds the world record sitting at just over 118.00!!! That's a 10 or 11 dart leg in every leg, just phenomenal and great to watch if you like that stuff. Really like watching Gary Anderson and good to see him enjoying it again after a few bad months.

Well that was sh#te, end of!! It's one of those games where you just rip it up and move on, we can take nothing positive from that performance at all and the only thing TB should learn from it is that his constant changing of team selections isn't working and we need some leadership and experience at the back. We've now conceded more goals this season so far than the whole of last season, not good enough by a long way

Yet another TB roasting required at half time to get them going, totally unacceptable and it shouldn't take that too get them motivated and focussed. Be interesting to see if he makes any changes

I hate slagging us off but we are rotten down the right hand side!!! Desperately need some experience in the defence to sort them out and Rossco's on the bench, we want the midfield to get it down and play but the defence anytime they get the ball panic and hoof it forward, why??!!

Thats undefendable defending, we should never be sucked towards the ball like that and leave men unmarked Good reaction to the goal but need to stick to our markers and not be pulled about

Reall confident today, happy with our team selection. Cmon Caley!!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17146506 It just keeps getting worse for them!! We all knew they would never meet the 31st March deadline and that's not really the part that should be worrying Rangers fans the most, the fact that the tax rangle with the HMRC seemingly keeps escalating it's more a case of when will it stop than how will it stop. It just makes the management of the club even more baffling.

I think the use of the EBT's was quite nievely exploited without them fully exploring the avenues that it could lead to or open up and the potential problems that it may bring, certainly at the time Rangers weren't the only club to make use of them and it has been widely reported that there are at least 8 or 9 EPL clubs that are being investigated for the same thing and some have already come to settlements however none of the teams involved have been named. Technically Rangers exploited what they say as loopholes in the law as did these other clubs and it is not until now or the last few years that the HMRC have started to clamp down on them. The extent to which they have pushed those bounderies or went passed those bounderies has still to be revealed but really this is only part of the whole mess. Everyone is getting caught up in the 'big case' but lets be clear this didn't tip the club into administration, it was the complete ineptitude and mis-management by CW that has done this in the non payment of the £9m, are we to believe CW in his comments today that it is actually only roughly £4.5m and they offered to pay £2.5m up front with monthly instalments of £0.5m and that the HMRC point blank refused this? I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of his mouth as the HMRC, as I have said before, stated many times they don't want the club to go out of business and would work with them. Has it all been part of his ploy, is it really mis-management or a cunning plan from a man who understands the laws of administration and sequestration and the ins and outs of how it all works and how he can make his money from it? Today CW announces that after the club comes out of administration he'll step down and walk away leaving his shares to the fans and that he will make nothing from it, hmmmm I think not!! It's getting closer and closer to what I suggested beforehand that he will make a tidy little penny from this whole situation. I don't agree that they should be stripped of honours, it's not the players and fans fault that the running of the club was carried out the way it was, they went out and done their job and were successful, yes you'll say that without the financial gain they wouldn't have had those players and therefore may not have been as good and as successful but that's all ifs and buts. If you strip them of the titles who do you award them to? Do you award them to anyone at all? All in all it becomes a total farce. Portsmouth won the FA Cup then went into administration not that long afterwards, clearly due to not being able to pay their bills, putting aside whether it was PAYE, Tax, VAT or day to day bills should they be stripped of that title? I am sure if I went and researched it I would find other cases like this but this is the other more high profile case I can think of. Just putting it out there but is it feasible to argue that teams that who are in debt or have overdrafts are living outwith their means and are therefore cheating, they are making use of money that is otherwise not theirs in order to either supplement the on field team or keep the club going, where do you stop with all this?

I would rather wait until it was mathematically impossible for us to go down to talk about it than sumise over ifs n butts and ins n outs. To answer your question though I really don't see us going down, not compared to Dunfermline anyway, a team that haven't won at home all season cannot stay up contrary to what Jim MacIntyre says Disappointed we couldn't take three points today but at least it wasn't a defeat and keeps the big gap between ourselves and Dunfermline

Another goal conceaded just before the end of a half!!! Seriously how many times, when are we going to learn

That is a bad bit of the raod and from memory therea re ice warning signs all over that area, glad your ok and didn't have any injuries but it really is a stretch they should be gritting all the time especially as there have been snow warnings for days leading up to the weekend ............ anyway football time lol, great chance for us to get three points today, come on the ICT. Rangers are 1-0 down to Killie, be interesting to see how they react to it especially after the week they've had

PS: apologies for any spelling mistakes in the above thread, I forgot to spell check it haha

Craig Whyte in my opinion new exactly what he was doing when he bought Rangers over from Sir David Murray, he in my opinion looked at a business that was facing some massive debts namely the 'big case' with the HMRC and had it all in his mind that he would run the club into administration in order to strip the club back, get rid of the debts owed and then sell the club on to one if his other companies and then overtime take the club back through some legal loophole. Look at what he has done with other companies, he's a man who steps into the helm of an ailing business, puts them into administration and then makes his money from it. I think he massively underestimated just how much public interest there would be in Rangers going into administration and the close scrutiny that would be put into it by all involved and all in the media. Rangers have massive assetts not to mention Ibrox Stadium that would be one of the very last things to be sold off to service debts not to mention that the main stand is a listed building which hikes up the value, even if the club is stripped back and left to the bare bones with the debt serviced Ibrox Stadium still remains an asset and that alone would give him his money back and more. it's no coinsidence that one of the administrators has had a seat in the directors box since Whyte took over and it would not shock me to find out that Whyte was seeking the services and advice from administrators from the minute he stepped foot into the club, from the outset of administration it is usually clear whether a club/business will survive and they came out within a matter of days and said that they see no reason why Rangers cannot continue on as a club now and for the future to come. Also it's not as easy to suddenly get administrators in to take up the case especially in the circumstances that came about on Tuesday with the HMRC calling it to the courts, this in my opinion also shows they have been there in the background ready to take up the administration as and when it happened. Yes the administrators are answerable to the courts but lets be clear about it, they are a business in their own rights and stand to make a tidy little amount from the administration of Rangers not to mention taking them out of it which will ultimately happen. The 'big case' with the HMRC is a bit of an unknown to all and the totals are not really known, I have read that the unpaid tax bill is £24m with about £12m interest added on then fines to be added on top of that decided by the courts but then that's only rough but where it looks favourable in certain ways for Rangers even if they lose the HMRC have came out and stated beore the administration that they would allow Rangers to make servicable payments to the debt to allow them to continue trading as a club, all of tyhis Whyte new but he has backed himself into a massive corner with what he has done since he took over the club and clealy any leway that the HMRC where willing to go to may now be severly strained. There are two people to ultimately blame for the problems that Rangers face, Sir David Murray and Craig Whyte - DM from the ridiculous bad management during his term and CW for the way he has run the club since he took over, one thing I would say in DMs defence is that he always maintained that he would only sell Rangers to who he believed was the best man that had the best interests of the club to heart but his hand was forced by the bank and he was made to sell up hence whyit went for £1 as CW took over the £18m debt. Rangers at the time were actually servicing that debt well and reducing it quite considerably monthly but not quick enough for the bank which now makes the whole situation even more ludicrous and so difficult to understand. It's no coincidence that he sacked half of the old board after taking over including a very influencial Martin Bain who is much reveared in what he does and steared Rangers almost single handidly for 3 years before CW took over. Was it that they knew exactly what CW was going to do or what he had in mind and didn't agree with it or didn't want part of it and threatened to blow the lid on his plans? No one knows but it all looks very very suspicious. I would not be surprised to see Martin Bain back at Rangers in some capacity after CW has moved on after the administration with a new board and owner in place because there is no way CW can continue in the capacity he has, not to mention the fact that he could soon be facing criminal charges should any wrong doing be discovered which looks ever inceasingly likely.