MrCaleyjag

I tend to agree with Renegade on the whole with his suggestion about players possibly not being trained properly and thus resulting in injuries. A dislocated shoulder can't be put down to that but a players conditioning and fitness has a lot to do with the type of injuries they will be more suseptable to. Their recovery would also come under this as well and we may well be rushing players back to early. As well as this we have a lot of players who need to bulk up and work on their upper body strength, I see no obvious sign of prgression with these players on this front. Nick Ross and Jonny Hayes are just two that spring to mind as being knocked off the ball far too easily, against Aberdeen Jonny went down at least three times that I counted and stayed down before getting up and carrying on, all looked like very innocuous challenges. Taking it to the extreme Brewster believed in fitness so much that he neglected a lot of other important parts of training but maybe it would be interesting to see what his injury record was like. I am no way saying we go down this route again as it is about striking a balance between the two but maybe our balance isn't quite there at the moment.

As bad as the start to the season has been maybe this was actually the over-riding result that the players needed to get them sorted, get them focused and stop them from feeling sorry for themselves. There comes a point where we just have to say right enough is enough and start getting it right. For these guys the only thing that matters or the only thing that should matter now is winning and doing well for the team, it is their job, a very good one at that but at the end of the day they are terribly underperforming and need to sort it out quick. We have no time for people to feel sorry for themselves or feel embarressed or down, step up to the plate and be a man, start making the difference that you undoubtedly became a footballer for but start doing it as a team and start playing for each other, show some urgency and self belief and stop trudging about with your heads hitting the floor. I don't want to see players heads go down if we concede a goal or huff and puff if we misplace a pass, I want to see some fight and some encouragement for others and take a bit of pride in what you do. Start fighting as a team and you'll win as a team, start thinking as an individual and you'll lose as an individual. Terry if you ever needed a stronger word or team talk than you do now you could do a lot worse than make use of the above.

Can we for once play to our strengths and learn from what hasn't worked this season and play players where we know they are better suited and not where we think they should be playing just to make a formation viable. An attacking 4-3-3 for me, it's a home game so we need to take it to them: Esson Piermayr Tokely Hogg G Shinnie Ross Tansey Morrison Sutherland Foran Tade Bench: Tuffey, Golabart, Doran, A Shinnie, Greig, Polworth - Back 4 almost picks itself, dropped Golabart as we need experience at this time, players that can give belief and get the boys in front of them organised. - Three in midfield with Tansey in the middle dictating the play, not running about aimlessly putting too much pressure on himself. Morrison on the left of the three complimenting his left foot and likewise with Ross on the right of the three. - Three up front but a wide line, Shane has looked powerful and good on the ball running in from the right, Richie last season played out left a lot and on the whole did well including winning a lot of high balls and knocking them inside, if we must persisit with the long ball at times put him in an area he can win it and not on the backs of the two central defenders, make them work rather than make Richie work. Lastly Tade up front picking up the balls from wide, play him as the striker he was undoubtedly bought for. Bench: sorry Golabart we need experienced heads just now, Doran hasn't done enough for me, A Shinnie was awful against Aberdeen

The same thing happened in Aberdeen on Saturday, Caleyjag and myself stayed down the front and clapped everyone off expecting them all to do the same and only Terry and Richie even acknowledged we were there, yes they were down and disappointed but at least make some sort of half hearted effort to thank the fans for travelling to the game and acknowledge they were there. We clapped you off until you were down the tunnel, give us the respect we gave you!! Just tipifies the atmosphere and belief that there is within the squad right now, most of them looked sorry for themselves rather than rallying round each other. On Saturday the only player to go over to Golabart after the mistake/goal was Richie, what happened to our team spirit and team loyalty, they need to start rallying as a team and that means sticking together with themselves and with the fans also.

Of the 16 squad players tonight that Terry picked 14 of them were in some form or another brought in by him either through transfers or through the youth ranks, of these 14 players I am sure they have been picked very carefully from hundreds of others as he feels they can bring something individually and collectively to the team. At the moment individually it looks like the players do have enough to be in the team but unfortunately we just cannot put it together and there is not one person that isn't as down or embarressed about this result than Terry himself and he sounded very down beat in his interview, he of anyone will be feeling very let down as these are his players. For this reason alone I know that he will get them to gell together as a team, I am not sure what attitude he should adopt as would screaming and ranting help when players are at an all time low and most are quite young or does he look to his experienced players to get the young ones through it and step up to the fore. I am in no doubt he let them know just what this performance and result means and the effects it will have however at the same time I would hope that the players put it firmly to bed and move on quick sharp and I am sure this will be his message to them.

16 months ago we beat Ayr 7v0, tonight we got beat 1v0 and by the sounds of things with not much of a reply ........................ well Tell you got your wish, you got your players in during that time and guess what it's up to you to get us out of this mess. Yes we have a lot of new players in but we should not be getting beat by Ayr Utd regardless. I have faith in you still but please please sort it out pronto.

Tade on, Morrison off .............. ach we don't need a midfield anymore

Extra time

Oh dear (as I shake my head) Sutherland off, A Shinnie on ........ from Saturdays showing hopefully he ups his game because if not what an awful substitution that is

Was it a penalty, was it not? Oh what a surprise Chick Young thinks it was a stick on, anyone else hate him as much as me?

0v0 HT

Sounds to me like Laurance is in his retirement years. How about retiring your username and log in for this site and stop patronising us with your nonsense

Spot on, I couldn't have said it better myself

watching sportscene the kilmarnock manager could not understand why golabert went to ground at the edge of our box anticipating a cross from aberdeen player who then took 3-4 more strides before cutting ball back for aberdeen first goal. so i would say golabert at fault for both aberdeen goals. dont understand why butcher keeps changing middle 2 at back. any 2 from tokely,hogg, aldred would be ok if he stopped chopping and changing get a striker/ finisher in instead Ah watching Sportscene, that old one again, yeah it's all too easy to rely on that far too much, funny how the very first two clips of the game were the goals and nothing else. Forgive me if I tended to base my assessment on the whole game rather than just what Sportscene showed. Also would that be the same Kilmarnock manager that said the report he got from his staff claimed Caley were pretty decent in the first half, lets hope that scout picks the Killie team next week then cause he's clearly clueless. Golabart wasn't the only one at fault for the first goal and I tend to think he went for the tackle and realising he wasn't going to get the ball opted not to bring the man down, there were others in the box that should have picked up the runner. For the second yes it was ultimately his mistake that led to the goal but why put him in that position by making a pass that was the wrong one in the first place. Lets also not forget that he hadn't even had 24hrs with the squad either. The only thing I do agree with you on is the chopping/changing, read my other posts on here as I've said it already.

Tuffey Piermayr Hogg Golabart G Shinnie Ross Tansey Morrison Hayes Doran Sutherland Subs: Esson, Tokely, Aldred, Tade, Foran, A Shinnie Unchanged back 4 as they need to start building up an understanding together, Golabart starts as if he doesn't I fear he'll dwell on his error too much Midfield would be a 5 while on the back foot and Tansey dropping into a defensive midfield roll which when we get the ball turns into a playmaker roll starting the play from side to side through Ross/Morrison who would supply either Hayes/Doran down the wings or Shane up top. Hayes and Doran would need to work hard at tracking back for this to work overall but can easily be changed to incorporate Tade or Foran should we ned to bring them on. Shane up front on his own, IMO he deserves his chance and if TB doesn't see him worthy of a place against Ayr then why do we have him in the squad?! He would be backed up by Hayes/Doran when attacking to make it 3 up top. Foran on the bench purely with Killie in mind, I just don't think he could play Saturday/Wednesday/Saturday, he would try but come 60-70mins into the Killie game he would be running on fumes as happened last season as he always gives his all. **Edit: added 'He would be backed up by Hayes/Doran when attacking to make it 3 up top'.

I feel quite sorry for him tbh, of all the times I have seen him play he's looked good and most of them has been from the right hand side which is not his natural position. If he can take the ball and run with it infield or down the wing and look composed I am in no doubt he can do it through the middle. He is a big lad as well with big upper body strength which would work in his favour up top, he also never looks down at being played on the right which is a sign of a good mentality within him. Everyone is already putting pressure on MacKay hoping he's going to be the one that can get us the goals but lets be honest he is somewhat of an unknown prospect, do we actually know if he will be able to produce the goods? With Shane I think he could and what do we really have to lose at the moment by playing him? We aren't taking our chances as much as we need and he is at the moment the most natural scorer we have. There just seems to be something that TB either doesn't like about him or isn't sure about, I hope he starts against Ayr up front and is able to bag a goal or two or at least put in a good performance.

I agree with CapitalCaley, yesterday apart from the mistake he looked a good player certainly someone who can do a job for us and he has the height that is needed for a centre half. He was very composed on the ball and lets face it in terms of the mistake it was almost forced upon him, it should never have been passed to him in the first place, Vernon was looming and the first rule of defending is never pass across your backline when a player is about. He'll learn from it I'm sure and next time hoof it but also others should learn from it too. He was clearly brought in for his ability to play the ball on the ground and technically he looked good with his feet, for weeks we have been saying we need someone to play the ball out from the back to feet, I believe he can be the one we need for this.

I always keep the faith and have faith in the management team and the players however there are a few things that need sorting to get things going: - a settled team selection for one must be sorted out, yes we have injuries/suspensions but we are chopping/changing other players not just through injuries/suspensions for reasons known to the management team. If not a settled first team a settled back 4 is a must. If they are settled it brings confidence throughout the team and much more likely not to ship goals. - we need a decision on who our main striker is going to be and fast, if it is Foran then do we play with two wingers complementing him or one behind him or one with him, whoever or whatever way it is it needs sorting soon. If TB thinks we need another striker then hopefully he'll get one. - we need to start better, a half time bollocking should not be needed to get the team going, if it is then they should get it before the game starts. I saw signs yesterday to suggest we will be fine but we desperately need a win by whatever means necessary.

I haven't read any of the previous posts on the thread yet since being at the game and had time to think about it now. Sitting at half time I couldn't believe what I had just watched, it was probably the worst Caley performance I had seen, totally disjointed, no urgency, no pressing of the ball or closing down Aberdeen at all and void of an imagination in midfield, no one stood out as performing at all but one thing for sure was that the worst player on the park was A Shinnie, he unfortunately tipified our first half performance and was sacrificed after ten mins of second half kicking off which was probably the best decision TB made all weekend. At least in the second half we started to take control of the ball more and passed better, G Shinnie looked very good down the left wing and Tansey really stood out in the centre of the park. We showed a great deal more urgency and broke down their play as well as pressing and pressuring them more making them look shaky on the ball and good to see we pushed up more. I don't know what TB and MM said at half time but whatever it was certainly worked and if we had of got a point it would have been well earned from the second half performance alone. Sutherland looked really good when he came on and made some good runs, the sort that we need of a striker that we are desperately crying out for, I don't think TB knows yet who to play up top or linking with Foran but for sure it's not A Shinnie. I feel sorry for Golabart at being thrown in at the deep end and was shocked when I found out he was starting line up, apart from his mistake in gifting them the second goal I thought he looked good and hopefully it won't effect his confidence, the best thing for it is to leave him in the team for Ayr. Overall if we play like we did in the forst half for the rest of the season or start too many games like that we'll get relegated!!!! If we can get the performances like yesterdays second half then it's only a matter of time until we get a win and from there I can see our season taking off from there. Hopefully we can get a settled team that can start to gell together but there were very good signs at times yesterday.

It certainly is a time to be depressed about our game in European terms looking at results for the past few years like Starchief has said rather than one game, with the exception of maybe Braga as they are not a bad side, did they not beat Arsenal at home and do not bad last season in Europe. It is a different style of play compared to the SPL and unfortunately the managers were tactically naive, Rangers had the game in the palm of their hand and should/could have been 2 or 3 up at half time, McCoist took of Naismith at start of second half put Lafferty on and went to a straight 4 in midfield, game lost Maribor took control and they were caught out. Lennon is still learning his trade and without seeing or hearing the game I can't comment but I really don't think Sion are any better than Dundee Utd and Celtic turned them over 5-1!! Hearts were just very naive and let Spurs play far too much, nothing can be drawn from that game as this is a team who were in the Champs League last year, turned over Inter Milan amongst others and got to the quarter finals. I think had Walter Smith and Jim Jefferies been in charge of respective teams the results would have been very different, as for Celtic a man like O'Niell would have sent a team out and beat someone like Sion 4-0 easily. For the fans of those teams they have to realise their managers are learning at that level and while it is not good to watch and take it's the level they are at. Our game is certainly in decline in European circles and there doesn't seem to be a way out, we may now be restricted to the odd season where one team from Scotland actually does something but even then this will become very few and far between. We have been saying for decades we are getting worse and are in decline but nothing seems to be happening, our game needs a complete overhall from top to bottom.

Must have been on the radar then if we swooped this quickly after the investment came in, those in the know obviously knew it would go through and was a matter of waiting. Good to see a defender coming in and bolstering the numbers especially given our injuries, wouldn't be shocked if we bring in a striker now as well but probably on loan.

In relation to travel tips I drove from Inverness back to Aberdeen last week and the traffic lights/work at Fochabers/Baxters isn't that bad tbh, would be just as long to take the B road I would say plus a lot of traffic does tail off to the left towards MacDuff leaving the road clear from Fochabers. I would suggest by car taking the back road over Culloden Moor down through Cawdor and joining the A96 at Auldearn therefore missing all the lights and traffic in Nairn. The road at the best of times is a pain in the rear so 2 to 2 n a half hours is a decent time on a Saturday to get to Aberdeen.

Can you post the link so all can see, I can't find it anywhere

Up until I had posted on this thread I thought that Smee had a valid point but now I am not so sure having read what you have posted since then, I have to agree with Don and PullMyFinger and it does come across as being ungrateful. It also comes across like you feel you have the right to be eligable for this scheme just because you are in receipt of DLA. Maybe you should be a bit more grateful that you are actually getting DLA, there are many more people who are probably in a worse position than yourself that actually need it and don't get it, don't get me wrong I am in no way saying you shouldn't be eligable for DLA but just think about others who don't make a fuss of it and just get on with it. They are also missing out on various schemes like this because they don't receive DLA. I think you'll find if you bothered to make more of your issue that the reasons the eligability was changed probably had a lot to do with it being abused in the past and is probably the reason why the low rate has been removed from the eligability. I am sure those in power probably thought that those in receipt of mid/high DLA were the ones who actually needed the extra help more than those who were in receipt of low DLA. You have said that you are in receipt of DLA under Mental Health issues and don't have a carer which would be the reason why you are in receipt of the low component of DLA which I am sure you know already, think about those that need carers and are in receipt of the mid/high component. In my eyes these are the people who need the extra help in order to do the things that others find they can do naturally without thinking about it or without having to rely on others to do. The scheme is quite clearly there to help others who have a carer for everyday needs afford to go to the games, why should they be punished for having the need for a carer. It is to make it accessable to all in society. It is there to help those that need carers and not to punish those that don't like you clearly feel it does, you don't need a carer, great thats really good but do me a favour and be very grateful that you don't need one, like I said there are others that do and I speak very close to home when I say this too. Oh and by the way I mean myself when I say that but do you know what I don't receive DLA in any form, I don't moan about it, I don't feel persecuted by it, I get on with it, I go to games, I take others with me and pay for them too. If you can't afford to go to games then fair enough, no one will think ill of you for that as it is expensive, but don't use this as a reason for not being able to go. Just because you get low rate DLA doesn't make you eligable for everything and anything.