MrCaleyjag

So myself and Caleyjag have been having problems with our Sky+HD box so we phoned Sky and they arranged to send an engineer out today to fix the house:

Sky man: oh you're a Caley fan?!!

Me: yip, certainly am

Sky man: it was you lot that ended Celtics title challenge then

Me: you could say that, are you a Celtic fan?

Sky man: yeah, Celtic were terrible that night the worst I have ever seen them play

Me: well you say that and just about everyone else that I have spoken to have said that but no one actually gives us credit for winning the game, I actually thought we played you off the park for most of the game and deserved a lot more credit than we got.

Sky man: well, eh, yeah, maybe, eh, well, I'll just go out and get you a new box from the car

The sense of superiority I got when he went back out to his car was amazing and I had to contain my laughter before he came back in. I think it was his use of 'you lot' that annoyed me and the fact he never even said hello before he came into the house. It made me sit and think about it and yes it was last season and I don't like to dwell but I really don't think we got the credit we deserved from others that aren't attributed to the club and fans.

Hopefully we'll have more reasons to be cheerful this season coming and build on last season giving us even more to gloat about.

pound

I never like to hear of ex players not being picked up by anyone so good to hear he has a shot of it elsewhere, was unlucky with injuries but showed potential, hopefully he can make the trial permanent and it works out for him.

I can't make any of the pre-season games either nor the start of the season

Would have went down to Livi and probably up to Buckie as well but oh well will keep relying on you guys on here to keep up-to-date on the games

Argentina 0v0 Columbia

Tonights game: Bolivia v Costa Rica (KO: 23:15hrs BST)

That's me just paid up too

Yesterdays results:

Uruguay 1v1 Peru

Chile 2v1 Mexico

The next game is tomorrow night, Argentina v Columbia KO: 00:45hrs BST

I've probably just jinxed it now haha.

Curse you, you fiend.

Oops think I deserve one of these for jinxing it totally

I got a poor 23/50 then cringed when I saw the list of players that I couldn't remember!!!

Could see their faces but couldn't remember their names :irritated:

I didn't manage to stay awake for the opening game but managed to catch the second half when it was replayed yesterday afternoon and didn't watch the Columbia game as I opted for the Haye fight instead but here's a wee quick breakdown of the first games.

Argentina 1v1 Bolivia

Argentina struggled in the opener against Bolivia who I am led to believe are only taking part in the tournament after Japan pulled out and are seen by most as the weakest team in the tournament. Bolivia took the lead in the 47th minute from a corner swung in from the keepers right which was flicked on by Edivaldo Rojas and crept through the legs of Ever Banega the squirm just over over the line. Argentina fielding players of the likes of Carlos Tevez, Lionel Messi, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Javier Mascherano, Gabriel Milito and Esteban Cambiasso relentlessly pushed forward searching for the equaliser and were rewarded through a fine strike from substitute Sergio Aguero in the 75th minute. Despite their dominance they weren't able to grab the lead and for most this is seen already as the possible shock result of the tournament

Columbia 1v0 Costa Rica

Costa Rica went down to 10 men after 27 mins when Randall Brenes got sent off for what the referee deemed to be an over the top tackle (I saw it once but was half asleep at the time so can't comment), the only goal of the game came in the 45th minute from Columbia, Adrian Ramos claiming the winning goal to put his team top of group A after the first matches.

Tonights games are: Brazil v Venezuela (KO: 20:00hrs BST) and Paraguay v Ecuador (KO: 22:30hrs BST) both games live on ESPN. I will be watching both hopefully so should be able to give a better account of them tomorrow than the ones above.

I have included a link below to the official website for the tournament for anyone that is interested.

http://www.ca2011.com/

Murray's looking good in the semi-final against Nadal, I've probably just jinxed it now haha. Outwith winning the first set he is playing well considering his injury scare at the start of the match.

Fingers crossed he can keep it going

Why are you focusing on him and his position and his mental health and helping him overcome his problems, all too often the people in authority or think they know better due to years of studying from books proclaim that the convicted is in fact the victim, read your post and basically that's how it reads. He is not the victim, he is the convicted of a sick crime that should not be shyed away from.

Simply because pedofilia is recognised as a mental health issue, would you rather he recieved no help and his condition continued or would you just prefer he was put to death? Why makee a problem worse when it is recognised that it can be treated?

I'm certainly not saying that he should be put to death, you wrote that not me and nor am I intimating that he should not get the help you are suggesting he should, I do however think that now-a-days those in positions are all to quick to jump and say that everything is to do with mental health problems. Can it be treated, no I don't think so. Once someone has these thoughts especially in terms of peadophillia it is very difficult to change their views and thoughts.

Yes the courts have dealt with it but I bet you if you took 5 judges and asked them to sit on the case they all would have gave out slightly different judgements, just because one person or a couple of so called professional say that he doesn't pose a risk doesn't mean that they are correct. Anyone can sit with psycologists and whoever else was brought in to assess him and say they are very sorry and it is not in their character or nature and they won't do it again etc etc but do they really mean it?

And yes when he is in a position like he is where children can idolise him and go to watch him play football I do think it's not an environment where he should be placed.

The main outcry from this whole episode has come from the way that the club have reacted to it and how they have protrayed it to the media themselves and their ridiculous way of dealing with it, they are almost just as bad as he is with some of the statements they have come away with!!

You must have spent over a decade in further education to gain your expertese in law, psychology and morality. You my friend have to be respected.

Maybe you could share some of your thoughts on this piece, I know it's wikipedia but you could perhaps indulge me in explaining why some of the cited parts of it are, in your opinion nonsense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedofilia

Am I missing something in my post where I actually said this? I questioned it, I didn't actually say i thought it was nonsense. I don't think my education or my morality comes into it, you don't have to spend a decade in further educational to have an expertese in morality. Morally what he did was wrong, end of, it can't be condoned nor can it be defended that's my point also.

Thanks for the link though, it was very informative.

I also notice that you have still not answered one of my previous questions or did you choose to gloss over it as it might contradict everything you have said or throw a different spin on your thoughts. I don't think you are necessarily wrong with everything that you are saying all I have focussed my thoughts on are what he did, the fact he is guilty, tried to ask how the victims come out of this and the role of his employer but you want to focus on him and how it affects him, did he think about how his actions affected the victims?

Why are you focusing on him and his position and his mental health and helping him overcome his problems, all too often the people in authority or think they know better due to years of studying from books proclaim that the convicted is in fact the victim, read your post and basically that's how it reads. He is not the victim, he is the convicted of a sick crime that should not be shyed away from.

Simply because pedofilia is recognised as a mental health issue, would you rather he recieved no help and his condition continued or would you just prefer he was put to death? Why makee a problem worse when it is recognised that it can be treated?

I'm certainly not saying that he should be put to death, you wrote that not me and nor am I intimating that he should not get the help you are suggesting he should, I do however think that now-a-days those in positions are all to quick to jump and say that everything is to do with mental health problems. Can it be treated, no I don't think so. Once someone has these thoughts especially in terms of peadophillia it is very difficult to change their views and thoughts.

Yes the courts have dealt with it but I bet you if you took 5 judges and asked them to sit on the case they all would have gave out slightly different judgements, just because one person or a couple of so called professional say that he doesn't pose a risk doesn't mean that they are correct. Anyone can sit with psycologists and whoever else was brought in to assess him and say they are very sorry and it is not in their character or nature and they won't do it again etc etc but do they really mean it?

And yes when he is in a position like he is where children can idolise him and go to watch him play football I do think it's not an environment where he should be placed.

The main outcry from this whole episode has come from the way that the club have reacted to it and how they have protrayed it to the media themselves and their ridiculous way of dealing with it, they are almost just as bad as he is with some of the statements they have come away with!!

How many people are as excited as me about the Copa America?

Ok maybe it's because I have been starved of football for a few weeks or the fact I am stuck at home for almost three months after having major surgery and it'll pass the time but I am really looking forward to seeing the best of South American football coming together for another big tournament.

I will, if enough people are interested, post the scores along with a brief roundup of each game, let me know what your thoughts are and if you want updates.

The first game is Argentina v Bolivia KO: 1st July 21:45 (00:45 + GMT) followed by Columbia v Costa Rica 2nd July 15:30 (18:30 GMT)

Sorry, I do not know what you want from me, what is giving you cause for concern from my post?

I am saying that if he was allowed to continue as normal he could have a better chance to move on from this issue and work through his problems but by taking away all of his prospects it is possible that he could be forced into a position where is mental health is adversely affected and where helping him overcome his problems would be made harder.

I'm sorry but I have to totally disagree with you on this one and also your previous quote. Lets get one thing straight he (Thompson) took away his prospects when he did what he did, a disgusting act that should in no way be condoned or glorified or glossed over. I like many others on this post will not apologise for calling for him to be sacked and nor do I think that our outcry has been caused by the media. Whatever way you look at it it would have became public knowledge and there would have been the same outpouring as there has been regardless of how it was portayed.

Why are you focusing on him and his position and his mental health and helping him overcome his problems, all too often the people in authority or think they know better due to years of studying from books proclaim that the convicted is in fact the victim, read your post and basically that's how it reads. He is not the victim, he is the convicted of a sick crime that should not be shyed away from.

Lets take a moment to think about the actual victims of this and how they feel and how they felt during the ordeal, children manipulated by an adult who should know better and have values but clearly he doesn't.

Why should he be allowed to continue as normal??? Do you have children, if you do would you still have the same view if it were them that were the victims?

His loss at the end of the day. I'm sure we'll be able to find someone better.

Congratulations to him for managing to get a big club in a decent competative league with a good exciting young manager as well, shows great ambition and obviously makes him more financially stable as well. Thankfully turning down a move to a smaller club.

I think the maguire situation with regards compensation was because he was still in the very last throws of his contract with Aberdeen but with Adam his contract had run out, I could be wrong but I think you only get compensation if the player is still contracted to you when he signs for another club along with other ins and outs.

Would agree with Scotty that we got our monies worth and he did give us some great memories but I am too disappointed that he has taken so long to make up his mind and keep us hanging on so long.

Seriously though, Crawley Town??!! Yes they may be ambitious and may have big plans but nothing is certain especially in English football and at the 4th tier as well, I just think he could have done so much better thats of course if he does join them, hopefully for him he sees it as a springboard to bigger and better things as he is still young however I feel he could have made it at Championship level just now of course if he has actually had offers from clubs in that league. I see no reason why he wouldn't have.

I also don't see Crawley Town as a bigger club than us and see us as playing at a far higher level in a more competative league which he would have much more publicity in.

8/10 - not bad I thought considering I was concentrating on Football Manager when Caleyjag asked me the questions lol.

Got the Kris boyd goalscoring one wrong along with the Scottish manager one

It's a sad enditement of the club that they had to lose sponsors and have schools pulling out of training days with them before they decided to buckle under the pressure and suspend him, they didn;t even cave in to public or media pressure, it all came down to money!!!

They should have done the decent thing and suspended him as soon as he was charged pending and internal enquiry and when he was found guilty he should have been sacked for gross misconduct and breaching his contract. lets face it if that had been any of us we would have been out of our employment before we even knew about it for the reasons above.

Romanov is nothing more than a wanna be dictator who has absolutely no values for himself, the club he runs nor the fans who have the club what they are today, he has basically spat in their face with his actions throughout this whole issue and tried to lay blame everywhere else rather than actually at the foot of the door of the player who has brought shame upon himself and the club.

Do the right thing Hearts and sack him, not that I like to see anyone lose their job, but on this occasion there is no option especially considering the circumstances leading to the circus that has followed.

Very happy with the supposed signings. Gilbert has played at a high level and is still quite young. Shinnie looks to be a good player. Gornell has a chance to prove that he can play at a higher level. The question is how many more players do we need and in what positions?

Personally I would say that the centre back position is a priority now, we need at least another two CBs brought in to give us enough stability to either slot in with Rosco or add cover should someone get injured. If we don't and Rosco gets injured then we will be in deep trouble.

Hmmmm I'm not sure, I think it's the arms that do it wish they had of been red or blue to match the collar, black just looks a bit out of place. Don't get me wrong I like it but not sure I love it if thaty makes sense.

I'll still buy it though, anything to support the club.

duff is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo s**te, please just leave

Totally over the top IMHO, get the impression that this is no more than fishing. Can you name a better player who we could get to fill the role that he holds for us at the moment?

Proctor isn't any better than Duff, in fact I don't really rate Proctor, yes at times I slagged Duff off for being poor and lumping the ball aimlessly forward but looking back it was in games where the whole team were poor. What I would say about Duff is that positionally he has good awareness and positionally is quite sound, he does need to work on his passing and distribution and if that improved he can offer us an awful lot more, far more than Proctor would who I believe is still there as he wasn't out of contract.

Just wondering if there are any football manager fans on the forum. Basically I've done the research for ICT for quite a while now and the process of doing the research is opening up a little. If you would like to have a say there is a wee questionnaire (will take 2mins max) here that will allow you to do so.

As an added incentive, there will be a draw of all Scottish supporters who complete this and a free copy of FM12 is up for grabs.

PS. Just to pre empt some responses; sometimes the match engine does crazy things, at no point did I ever make Rory McAllister good in any shape or form but he always ended up being brilliant.

Your link doesn't work

Like Starchief I love Footie Man as well, Caleyjag can't see the enjoyment from it but I certainly can.

Went ICT and finished 4th in first season, second season won SPL and League Cup and got knocked out of Europa League in qualifier by Inter Milan, 3rd season won SPL qualified for Champions League group and got Real Madrid, Ajax and Benfica!!! Beat Ajax 3v2 away, beat Benfica 3v2 at home, drew 1v1 away to Real and also 2v2 at home to them too after being 2v0 down, drew 2v2 at home to Ajax and got beat 4v2 away to Benfica, qualified from group and got put out by Tottenham. Signed the following players amongst others on Bosmans or free transfers: David Templeton, Liam Miller, David Goodwillie, Scott Brown, Alaiksander Hleb, Zurab Khizanishvilli, David Healy, Pedro Mendes, Jeremy Clement, Edu.

Got offered the Chelsea job so now planning my revolution there and starting ripping them apart lol.

The game is awesome and have loved the new changes to it although not sure about watching the match on the match engine, I'm too impatient for it. Don't think there is much that needs to be changed to the game as a whole, the training could be a bit better and more in depth although I do like the match preperation. Also the team talks before/during and after the games could be a little bit more detailed and give you more options for things to say.