Laurence

Troll don't think so

I am an Ent if anything

I have been asked to comment on violence in Glasgow

I refused because I know   nothing about it, just like if I was asked about violence in the Milan derby, or the Istanbul conflicts which I am told is worse.?

Do we abandon football games , because the police struggle to do their jobs.

They always say Scotland play for the shirt.

Can't really say that about England

I think it will be a scrappy match.  Rooney is injured, Lambert is untried

Rhodes can steal the winner and I will kick myself for not investing £20

Stachan knows the England game more than anybody, so can pull a rabbit out of the hat 

I am typing this in a BT hotspot with a dongle plugged into my laptop

Never done that before.

Think I .pint and go home. Or maybe two?

Is Gareth Bale worth £85,000,000 ?

The Squad

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12016/8860748/rickie-lambert-and-wayne-rooney-in-england-squad-for-friendly-against-Scotland

Put £20 on Scotland win £130

 

 

I just feel this Rangers business, has gone on long enough. It is not good for football in Scotland, It is not helping the top division, It is not helping Glasgow. I can't see how it is helping anybody. 

 

What about all the people (particularly women) who haven't been battered due to having no Old Firm matches, which are renowned for huge spikes in violence?  

 

Is this question Rhetorical ? Do you really expect me to answer it, Or are you just showing your own views ? How am I supposed to know about violence to women, children or anybody else. I suggest you contact Glasgow home for battered wives or the Police.

 

I have a very unpopular view on Rangers.

You are right with your first sentence Laurence

 

If you go through life , whether it be at work, or  with the girls, or anything else worrying  about being popular, what are you?

I have always said, " be your own man, think for yourself, and believe in yourself". If you get ridiculed for your beliefs then tough.  You are entitled to have your beliefs.

Anyone who watches Westerns knows lynch mob mentality never works.

I am no Rangers fan by any stretch, I was brought up in highly  Catholic Lancashire by Irish nuns, I sang " Hail Glorious St. Patrick ", in assembly at school every morning.  I was taught to detest protestants above all else.

I just feel this Rangers business, has gone on long enough. It is not good for football in Scotland, It is not helping the top division, It is not helping Glasgow. I can't see how it is helping anybody.  I think the sooner we get back to the status quo , the sooner Scotland can get a national team to be proud of.

I can see that young men glory in a  fallen giant, we all had a good laugh, but how long before we realise we have created a false set up.

As Douglas Bader, told the Germans " Rules were made for fools, and the guidance of wise men ".

Maybe the men are not wise, or they implemented the rules without guidance. I am not the oracle, I just say it as I see it. 

I still have memories of the boy Little ripping us apart at home, on TV as well

I would expect him to do well this season.

I think there is already 3 teams in the Premier Div in Glasgow if you count Paisey

I don't get your point

I am saying we need Rangers back. Plain and simple. A Great City needs top teams.

4 scotland internationals and a host of youth players including international u21's. On paper quite a few could be of a quality to play in ict look at the shinnies problem is attitude based on that none of them deserve to play anything more than amature level. Consider their wages compared to the part time forfar players and every one of them should be embarrassed and ashamed to collect a pay packet.

I wonder what sort of money they are on ?

Rangers

• 01 Gallacher
• 02 Christopher Hegarty
• 03 Faure
• 05 Wallace
• 06 McCulloch
• 04 Robbie Crawford
• 08 Black
• 09 Templeton
• 10 MacLeod
• 11 Andrew Mitchell
• 07 Little

It is awful for a Rangers team to look so shabby. Would you play any of them at ICT ?

Not more than 3 I predict

Queen of the South must be favourites for an upset

 

I have a very unpopular view on Rangers. I definitely feel it is time they were back in business big time.

The great city of Glasgow needs two big rival teams, Scotland needs Rangers, finances need Rangers.

I feel enough is enough. All the silly infighting should cease and things should get back to - need  I say it " Normal".

I really feel that it is time to get Rangers back into the top division. One way or another.

Managers have been mentioned, who is good enough to take this once great monolith in footballing terms by the scruff of the neck.

I don't think Terry is half way there and I believe he would be a total failure.  I have in mind a Harry Rednap, Tony Pullis , Neil Warnock, or such like a man who would not take any old buck. So if Rangers have any sense at all forget the old stagers like Terry and get a real hard guy.

 

 

Lost all his hair watching Rangers last year I presume

Team loved by the locals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Su3Oesdrw

I have a very unpopular view on Rangers. I definitely feel it is time they were back in business big time.

The great city of Glasgow needs two big rival teams, Scotland needs Rangers, finances need Rangers.

I feel enough is enough. All the silly infighting should cease and things should get back to - need  I say it " Normal".

I really feel that it is time to get Rangers back into the top division. One way or another.

Managers have been mentioned, who is good enough to take this once great monolith in footballing terms by the scruff of the neck.

I don't think Terry is half way there and I believe he would be a total failure.  I have in mind a Harry Rednap, Tony Pullis , Neil Warnock, or such like a man who would not take any old buck. So if Rangers have any sense at all forget the old stagers like Terry and get a real hard guy.

Very pleasing to see a Scottish provincial team very similar to ourselves in profile bucking the trend and performing so well against quality European opposition.

 

By contrast, Motherwell face an uphill battle and Swansea's stroll to victory over Malmo makes their rout of Hibs seem all the more humiliating.

I think   the days of Swansea being a poor side are well gone.  I feel they are a good bet on their day to beat  most teams in Europe on their own ground,

The Welsh outfit are I consider a top  outfit these days.

I love the song a paradox in the Pirates of Penzance.

Maybe it will rain on Saturday so the games will be a mud heap and the family won't go , I then go to the match,

I have to decide

It is my birthday on the 1st of August - Very biblical  - three score years and ten

My family will be here for the duration

My son will be here from Berlin with his lady friend

Do I go to the match on Saturday - I won't be popular

Or do I go with the family to the Newtonmoortown Highland games, where my son in law is competing in the Haggis eating competition.

What a problem ?

Looks like I will have to miss the game.

 

Amazing the things you learn on CTO. I never ever realised Preston was a dockyard town till now. I know it has a Marina but never thought that was once docks.

Don't get me wrong I am not picking on Scottish fans I have seen Liverpool and Preston fans behaving just has badly. I think it is something to do with living close to dockyards

 

 

Preston Docks. Just like Wigan Pier . Actually Canal based both of them.  When they were shifting cotton in the Haydays  before the trains

"Britain's bread hangs on Lancashire's thread". 

Horrible racist fans in any event. Came to Gigg Lane once and caused havoc . Don't like them . Another bad lot are based in Hull. You could say Millwall has no docks but apparently they came from the Isle of Dogs whatever that is.

Just to correct a small point in your post Laurence, and without meaning to seem personal, as you may think, Scottish fans, and I was one, did not riot at Wembley. The definition of 'riot' is: a violent disturbance. Scotland won the game. The fans invaded the pitch at the final whistle and in the euphoria a set of goalposts got broken and some turf found its way into peoples pockets. There was no violence and no intent to harm or maime. Just a few thousand happy fans celebrating a great win.

I only mentioned it because of my wife , very young then saw the travelling fans on a train going down to the match

But I take your point without reservation

I believe the first ever so called "riot" was at Gigg Lane Bury , lol

When Bolton Wanderers 3000 fans invaded the pitch. A Lancashire Cup final in the 19th century.

Bury F C where heavily reprimanded by the LFA and fined , I believe also the ground was closed for some time.

Source History of Bolton Wanderers F. C I think a long time ago I read it.

 

 

 

Caley 100 said.-

Didny understand the last paragraph, but it sounded like you had a great time -good on ya,

The bowlers in my team were panicking before my innings that we didn't have enough runs to defend.

Because our last wicket stand upped the total to over 70, and it was a good bowling surface , they knew they had a chance to win the game.

TI am a qualified umpire I actually went to umpire the game, but because Lancashire F.B. were a man short, I was asked to play, and another umpire was found from the Blackpool club.

Otherwise I was too old to play. I was a Station Officer and all the other players were Fireman rank, a bit embarrassing to be hugged by one of my own men.

The sad thing about my memory of this match that the lad at the other end sadly died a few days after the game from a heart attack. He had not reached his 36th birthday He was a Retained Sub Officer like me making up the numbers.,

You wonder Laurence why people like me have a go at you from time to time well that highlighted statement is one of the reasons. Here you are involved in a team sport with other team players and yet you still see yourself as a Station Officer and them as lower ranks. That us and then mentality and superior / subordinate attitude is exactly what has destroyed this once great Britian.

 

As for cricket as a spectator sport......give me 220:20 any day

 

You have no idea - The Fire Service is a command situation. The officer is not a manager but a commander his orders are to be followed to the letter without question

 

It's not about being popular, that would make mistakes more likely. If your house is on fire and your family are trapped it is down to the men following orders. To make sure nothing is left to chance. The Fire Service is not a debating society it  is about doing what you are told, and doing it promptly and quickly.

 

Think your missing my point Laurence. First of you make the statement that I have no idea without knowing anything about me. To put you in the picture I was a retained fireman in Fort William many years ago. I was a fireman / emergency response operative at the Grangemouth petrochemical complex and I was a Fire Team Leader offshore in the North Sea. We done all the training that the fire service do plus some very specialist training due to the nature of our industry. Oh! and we put out some fires too. But to get back to the point Laurence. There is protocol to follow on duty but that should not be a consideration when participating in a team sport outside of work.

 

Caley 100 said.-

Didny understand the last paragraph, but it sounded like you had a great time -good on ya,

The bowlers in my team were panicking before my innings that we didn't have enough runs to defend.

Because our last wicket stand upped the total to over 70, and it was a good bowling surface , they knew they had a chance to win the game.

TI am a qualified umpire I actually went to umpire the game, but because Lancashire F.B. were a man short, I was asked to play, and another umpire was found from the Blackpool club.

Otherwise I was too old to play. I was a Station Officer and all the other players were Fireman rank, a bit embarrassing to be hugged by one of my own men.

The sad thing about my memory of this match that the lad at the other end sadly died a few days after the game from a heart attack. He had not reached his 36th birthday He was a Retained Sub Officer like me making up the numbers.,

You wonder Laurence why people like me have a go at you from time to time well that highlighted statement is one of the reasons. Here you are involved in a team sport with other team players and yet you still see yourself as a Station Officer and them as lower ranks. That us and then mentality and superior / subordinate attitude is exactly what has destroyed this once great Britian.

As for cricket as a spectator sport......give me 220:20 any day

Some years ago I saw Celtic away at Burnley in An Anglo Scottish cup match. I witnessed massive drinking before the match to , I saw one Celtic fan trying to examine the huge genitals of a stallion police horse. I mention this just to elaborate how drunk they were. Chants of  "we are the popes army",  and other pointless remarks  abounded around Turf Moor long before the game started. Burnley were not totally lily white , as they retorted with chants of  "Rangers". . 

The riot was quite exceptional as the link below elaborates.

I couldn't get the link to work but if you copy it into your browser there's a chance it will

The railings mentioned were iron and some where thrown like javelins

I was reminded of the riot at Wembley when Scottish fans rioted and wrecked the goalposts amongst other things.

That day before the game my wife caught a train at Preston  and travelled in a coach full of Scottish supporters from Glasgow, she told me they behaved  towards her with perfect manners, but they drank cans of beer the whole way down to London. I think she was rather worried, and glad to get there safe and sound.

Don't get me wrong I am not picking on Scottish fans I have seen Liverpool and Preston fans behaving just has badly. I think it is something to do with living close to dockyards.#

www.geocities.ws/Colosseum/Track/6698/memo/celtic.html

Maybe he thought I had one , as he checked my clothing

I would be so lucky ?

Some talk of Charlton

Only visited the Valley once when I lived in London, it is in a very remote area of South London, takes about half an hour on the train if you get on at London Bridge station.

When I got there I was searched from top to toe by a very large black man steward, they had been told that a fan had a gun.

The Valley at one time had the biggest embankment in the country, It when the ground was remodelled and the team played at Upton Park.

The ground is now a very fine stadium.

I have always had a lot of time for Charlton, it is in a hard working community in a very unfashionable part of town, so to speak,  It was a great history, once went from the 3rd Div South to the old first Div, in two seasons , at the time an unheard feat.

I hope all the travelling fans, and those Scottish fans, exiled in London, enjoy their day. It will be a tough task to get a result especially if Athletic play something like their first team. Makes a change from playing, lets face it, Highland league teams, who are not the best of a challenge.

We have to learn to keep 11 men on the pitch

We have to learn not to go gung ho when we are leading

The defeat against Dundee United towards the end  last season highlighted our ability . or lack of it, to hang onto a lead.

Parking the bus is not against the rules.

A good season must be finishing above County, It would be devastating for our  fans if  ICT don't