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I think this is a ridiculous complaint, managers take on players with minutes/seconds to go every week

While some, including myself may have doubts about Yogi having a go at him for this is uncalled for.

After watching the CL this week Yogi doesn't want us to be Barca anymore, he now wants us to be Real Madrid

There are more things for a manager to consider when offering a player a new contract, attitude, performance in training, making sure he fits into his game plan, etc etc. Things that we don't have the luxury of seeing 

I get that people have different opinions, what I don't get is why people have to insult people regardless of that opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's noted that low number of posts from the predominantly negative, but NOT constructive, posters who rarely suggest any interesting solutions to the problem going forward other than the sacffold for John, signifies their lack of trepidity in launching into tirades of criticism against John Hughes and then long- serving posters like IHE who have brought a breath of fresh air into this website for many a year and more. Whose loyalty to the club is beyond reproach which includes enough loyalty to all new managers to accord them respect that they deserve of being given a fair time to make changes that may be beneficial in the long run.

Yet George,for example, with his impressive 28 posts doesn't think it prudent to curb his acrimonious and ultra critical tongue because he doesn't know diddly squat about the views of the main body of posters on here, many of whom are clearly not posting on this thread because they are heartily sick of the constant girning and whining of the few and can't be bothered to reply.

It's one thing to cry for rights to express an opinion but another to present it in such a lopsided way as to leave the impression that there is no way on earth that it will not fall off the table before the sun has set in the West. Especially when nothing they say in that vein will have the slightest effect on the decision of the Board to continue to follow their present course, regardless.

What we need here is thoughtful and FAIR posters who can see the wood for the trees, can curb their stifling negativity long enough to actually present some positive, uplifting and semi-practical solutions for consideration and development by all right-minded fans which also, of course, includes the fact that Mr Hughes will be staying for quite a while.

At this stage his sacking will achieve little of value and it might result in other so-called good managers getting apprehensive enough to NOT apply for the then vacant managerial position at ICT.

The Board is NOT going to react in the same way that they think because the members of the Board are mature business persons and rational and reasonable people NOT usually likely to go into orbit with knee jerk reactions. And NOT young bucks feeling their oats and letting that feeling overcome their brains.

You do raise an interesting point in amongst your waffling, where are all of the Hughes supporters?

I'm not sure where to start on the rest of this, at what point did Hughes earn this respect you say he deserves? You bring up IHE as an example of an established poster on here showing respect, yet IHE himself openly has more personal digs at our previous managers psyche than anyone else on here, how is that showing unqestionable respect?

Why assume that people are not posting on this topic because they think it is beneath them? I'd say its safe to assume most people on here are firmly on the fence on this issue and thats only after our rousing win up in Dingwall, after that Dundee United game the pitchforks were out in force. You have totally misread the vibes coming from the support as a whole.

"The Board is NOT going to react in the same way that they think because the members of the Board are mature business persons and rational and reasonable people NOT usually likely to go into orbit with knee jerk reactions. And NOT young bucks feeling their oats and letting that feeling overcome their brains."

I guess you could say the the board demonstrated some rational thought in bringing in a guy on the cheap, who had been shunned by the rest of Scottish football after multiple failures.

Tell me SP.. in all this talk of yours of being fair, rational, respectful and downright gentlemanly when discussing the merits and potential of Hughes, at what stage do you sit down and look over the stats? There has been a swing of 17 points and 1 trophy between ourselves and Aberdeen since Hughes took over, we were clear in 2nd place with games and points to spare, where are we now? I don't think any of the people interviewed could have got it so badly wrong . Like I said before I take no pleasure in seeing thistle get tanked every week . The fact remains yogi will stick to his guns and work with the squad he has (his words) the worry is that I fear for the very survival of thistle in the top flight if he remains in charge .end of! I think Mr Cameron got it badly wrong and needs to act asap before its to late!! Even Craig Levein or the inexperienced Paul Telfer wouldn't have been as shocking as Hughes is turning into.

As for no new signings, WTF!!!

Next seasons starting 11 will be more or less same as this but the squad will be bare.

My patience has been waring thin ever since last Celtic game.

I really hope lack of season tickets sold for next season is an indication to board that all is not well!!

So much for "best chairman" in league!! Gonna bite! Craig Levein I believe didnt wish considered for the job and how on earth do you know that we would be any better off with the inexperienced Mr Telfer? Unless youve got a crystal ball.

If you want to support a team that wins all the time I suggest you start supporting Celtic.

That was ******* uncalled for!!

 

 

I don't believe what OCG said was uncalled for and maybe it's a bit of a reality shock for you.

 

In my opinion you're having a go at Kenny Cameron for no reason when he has no say what so ever in results on the pitch. If you ever listened to CaleyD on the CaleyThistle Podcast and he gave us an insight on the work Kenny Cameron does off the pitch for ICT. 

 

Where has it been stated that there will be no new signings? 

 

I know it's been disappointing to concede 11 goals in 2 games vs Celtic but I think you need to be a bit realistic here. We were playing against the best team in Scotland on their own turf and they are capable of doing it to many other teams. For what it is worth I was at Celtic Park last Sunday and I didn't think Celtic were good enough for six goal and I was very disappointed leaving CP watching ICT get humped, individual errors cost us and the fact we were missing David Raven, Richie Foran and Marley Watkins - we had 4 subs FFS, cuts us a bit of slack.

 

Yogi should/will be given the summer and then I think he should be judged. It is far too soon IMHO.

 

To be fair i thought we were lucky to get away with 6 and without Brill it could have been more.

Hughes said in a pre match interview there would be no signings 

 

 

 

Our team has had many bad injury's and suspensions to deal with which TB never did that's why his points per game is much better.

 

So Hughes's godawful tactics have nothing to do with it?

 

No cause he had to change formations when the players became injured

 

Did he? What about this horrendous passing around the defence and losing possession?  Has that nothing to do with it?

 

So when things are going badly, it's because it was Butcher's tactics, but when we got lucky it was "Team Yogi".  What?!

 

Yes we have done well using TB's tactics but sometimes like the semi final they  just won't work

 

Butcher's tactics have proven to be better than Hughes's, why not use them as a starting guide and then change if they're not working, considering "Team Yogi" make changes so well?

 

So we lost because of the crowd, not because we didn't attack whatsoever?  I presume by your logic then, we must never have won against the Old Firm because they have much bigger crowds.  I take it as well that Raith Rovers and the like mustn't have won cups either then?  After all, they've never been used to big crowds!

 

​When it came to the penalty's it was quite evident that our players struggled cause off all the noise 

 

Why didn't we at least attack to try and win before it got there then?  And even then, why is "the noise" a good reason?  Raith Rovers beat Celtic to win the Scottish Cup in the mid-90s on penalties and it didn't seem to affect them!

 

If Hughes's record continues next season we'll be pushing to get out of the relegation zone. 

 

Where is your optimism you seen how good we played against Aberdeen not even two weeks once Yogi gets the summer with them then we will be smashing teams!!!

 

I thought we played well against Aberdeen, but I'm afraid "smashing teams" is something Hughes's teams just don't really do.  You need to score goals to do that and we aren't doing that, a trait common at his previous clubs as well.  Falkirk didn't many score goals at this level and his Hartlepool team once went eight games without scoring!

 

Why did Hughes not carry on what Butcher was doing then?

 

Cause every manager has different playing styles 

 

Would it not be better to play a winning style.  To change it just because you can, strikes to me of being egomaniacal.

 

Agreed, a good signing and that's coming from someone who didn't rate him the first time round.

 

Well since he is now one of our best mid-fielders i would say a brilliant signing for free aswell  

 

A good signing.  Brilliant is a bit much.

 

How far we've come?  We've gone backwards!

 

Yes that's why we are only 2 points away from breaking our points record isn't it....

 

Butcher left us in a great position.  For Hughes to get 22 points in 22 games and look at him as some kind of success and make look like a genius is laughable.

 

Also helps that they're totally garbage!

 

Kiss isn't 

 

Wow one player.  They're rubbish and their place in the table proves it.

 

We were even more garbage!

 

Fair point but if things had gone our way not theirs we would have been fine

 

Did you watch the game?!  We were horrendous!

 

Where was the need to change it?

 

Cause he wanted to 

 

Egomaniacal.

 

The players are not all up for it at all.

 

Who doesn't then 

 

Well Mckay looks bereft of confidence.  But certain players, who I won't name yet, are seemingly started to get very frustrated by his all-out possession approach.

 

He was a great Hibs player yet their fans don't rate him as a manager at all and he was sacked.  I think that tells you everything.  He was sacked at Hartlepool as well, so they obviously didn't think he was that good.  I had a look at their fan site once as well and some of them didn't seem to rate him at all.

 

He got off to a bad start so Petrie was too quick to bin him like other managers 

 

Ask the Hibs fans what they think of him as manager.  If anyone was going to get time it was him, but he wasn't good.  Think I'm also right in saying that he wasn't sacked, but left by "mutual consent".

 

Can't wait to see what the next colour is

 

Just what I was thinking, no need for the green Renegade we seen enough of that on Sat

 

 

John "Yogi" Hughes should NOT be sacked for a number of REASONS

1. He got us top 6 and before you say it was secured with butcher it wasn't cause he was only in charge for about 12 games
2. He got us to a final where we so easily could have beaten the sheep in it
3. He has kept all our players at the club and the only way they will be leaving is for money which is great business on his part
4. He is on course to set a new points record for us 
5. He has two wins in Dingwall where as Judas has none (in the league) 
6. Judas only got us 22 points so who must have gotten us the 31 points?
7. He made a brilliant signing in Greg Tansey for free which has helped us massively in our matches 

All these points show how much Hughes has helped us so i don't see why you all want rid of him i mean sure we are going through a bad stage right now but really we have just been spoilt over the last two seasons in what we have achieved so obviously as soon as we start to lose it looks really bad but look back a few seasons ago at how bad we were, no wins against aberdeen now we are winning. No wins in dingwall in the league for yonks and it's Hughes who changes that twice not butcher Hughes. He is also still trying to adapt the team so right now anything we get in matches is a bonus cause he is still trying to get his methods over to the team.

 

Give the man some time him and Latapy were superb players and have done not too bad as managers we just need to show that we support them and not turn our backs on them after one bad defeat. If you aren't going to give him your support then that's fine but there is no need to say how bad he is constantly when you don't even go to the matches

 

   In John "yogi" Hughes I Trust   

 

Really???

 

You think we are in the top six because of what Hughes has done?

 

Of course I am not blaming Tansey for our poor form but we haven't been exactly brilliant since he came back.

 

And finally you are away of the mark if you think my concern about the management is down to "one bad result"

 

Well the stats above like ICTRoughi posted show he got more points so yeah i do feel it was Hughes that got us Top 6. Well he did only score that peach in the semi final and set up quite a few goals since coming not as if that's a big deal in football scoring goals like. Still he needs time to adapt the players into his way of playing so why are judging him before we gets a proper chance to put forward his methods. What do you think we should do then????

 

If you look at his points to games ratio its not top six material.

I agree Tansey is a good signing but its not like Hughes found as a gem from nowhere the guy had played for the club before.

What would I do now, not so sure but then again I wouldn't have hired him in the first place due to his track record.

 

 

After seeing CaleyDawson mention Yogi got us into the top 6 and I have also seen it mentioned other places I got intrigued to have a look at the stats and do a quick summary and this is what I have got:

Butcher - 22

Malpas - 3

Shearer - 4*

Hughes - 24

* - Including St Mirren Away on 7th December as Hughes was in the stands.

Any idea number of games each was in charge for?

Butcher - 11 league games

Malpas - 1 league game

Shearer - 2 league games

Hughes - 21 league games

Cup Games

Butcher - 2 games, 2 wins

Shearer - 1 game, 1 win

Hughes - 5 games, 2 wins and a draw

 

Thanks much appreciated 

After seeing CaleyDawson mention Yogi got us into the top 6 and I have also seen it mentioned other places I got intrigued to have a look at the stats and do a quick summary and this is what I have got:

Butcher - 22

Malpas - 3

Shearer - 4*

Hughes - 24

* - Including St Mirren Away on 7th December as Hughes was in the stands.

Any idea number of games each was in charge for?

John "Yogi" Hughes should NOT be sacked for a number of REASONS

1. He got us top 6 and before you say it was secured with butcher it wasn't cause he was only in charge for about 12 games
2. He got us to a final where we so easily could have beaten the sheep in it
3. He has kept all our players at the club and the only way they will be leaving is for money which is great business on his part
4. He is on course to set a new points record for us 
5. He has two wins in Dingwall where as Judas has none (in the league) 
6. Judas only got us 22 points so who must have gotten us the 31 points?
7. He made a brilliant signing in Greg Tansey for free which has helped us massively in our matches 

All these points show how much Hughes has helped us so i don't see why you all want rid of him i mean sure we are going through a bad stage right now but really we have just been spoilt over the last two seasons in what we have achieved so obviously as soon as we start to lose it looks really bad but look back a few seasons ago at how bad we were, no wins against aberdeen now we are winning. No wins in dingwall in the league for yonks and it's Hughes who changes that twice not butcher Hughes. He is also still trying to adapt the team so right now anything we get in matches is a bonus cause he is still trying to get his methods over to the team.

 

Give the man some time him and Latapy were superb players and have done not too bad as managers we just need to show that we support them and not turn our backs on them after one bad defeat. If you aren't going to give him your support then that's fine but there is no need to say how bad he is constantly when you don't even go to the matches

 

   In John "yogi" Hughes I Trust   

Really???

You think we are in the top six because of what Hughes has done?

Of course I am not blaming Tansey for our poor form but we haven't been exactly brilliant since he came back.

And finally you are away of the mark if you think my concern about the management is down to "one bad result"

Time for you all to ask the Board the questions that you have posed on here then? I am surprised that you don't appear to have done that so far since you apparently have such strong feelings that John Hughes is a Smuck and the team is quite blameless.   That would be constructive I suppose.

 

Then advise us all of their answers.

Scarlet, people are being "negative" as you put it because they are concerned, I can only speak for myself when I say there is nothing I would like more than Hughes to succeed but I have not seen much so far make me think that he will.

Another point I would like to raise with you is just because a member of this forum has made a large number of posts doesn't make his posts any more valid or indeed mean he is any more/less concerned than a poster with one post. 

 

Does anyone have the stats of what our goal difference was when Hughes took over, I think it may have been quite healthy although I could be wrong.. at present its -1 the worst in the top 6

 

It was +10

 

Thanks for that, I suppose that is the effect to the 2 Celtic games

Does anyone have the stats of what our goal difference was when Hughes took over, I think it may have been quite healthy although I could be wrong.. at present its -1 the worst in the top 6

 

 

I am not a fan of Hughes but can he really be blamed for todays result.

 

Have a look at Celtic's results over the past few months http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic/results

 

What am I looking for. I see quite a few 3-0's, 4-0's and 5-0's. Over that I also see many clean sheets. And therein lies a problem. Yes there are games where teams, including ourselves, have scored against them but these are few and far between. 55 games and 31 clean sheets. They are hard to break down and frustrate opponents to the point where heads go down. I ask myself, had we gone in 1-0 at half time what would the outcome have been?m Had we not given away a penalty a few minutes into the second half what would the result have been.

 

Alex for me the problem is he didn't seem to learn from the last time we played Celtic. There are many what could the outcome have been if this or that happened, its the same in every game fact is we were lucky it was only 5.

We have gone from being a team that Celtic used to hate playing to one they must wish they were playing every week 

Thanks CaleyD I thought there must if been a reasonable explanation

Does he know how to keep things tight when going to places like Celtic Park? I'd sack him tomorrow before we are on the end of three more humiliating defeats in the next three games. Otherwise, on this run of form it's a relegation survival battle next year.

Did you not hear his interview he had a good game plan....he makes Brewster look like a tactical genius 

 

 

Well I believe you were all warned !

 

You are a lucky man George...I am filled with dread at where this man is taking our team

Board must take its share of the blame -even the interview process was a shambles -I fear there's worse to come next season - I'm a firm believer you must strengthen after every campaign and what yogi has just now just ain't going to do it - the question remains how did these players turn so bad after butcher left -incredible !!

 

George my apologise I thought your initial post read "I believe" rather than I believe you were warned 

In the interview Hughes said we had a good game plan.....deluded 

Well I believe you were all warned !

You are a lucky man George...I am filled with dread at where this man is taking our team 

I thought I was seeing things when I seen the bench, like you say an ideal time to give youngsters a chance to experience match day. 

Meant the heading to be lack of "players" not "player" but to daft to know how to change it 

I was totally astonished to see we only had 4 players on the bench today. I know we have some injuries but surely we could muster a full bench with youngsters.

Does anybody know if there was a valid reason for this.

I `think one of the worst shouts in football is "who would replace him" nobody is irreplaceable and you don't stick with a dud because you think there is nobody to replace him

The worst thing is I expected this today, and I don't mean a defeat as that is understandable but a total hammering 

A shamble from start to finish...sorry but the man doesn't have a clue