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Vincent Lunny (ex-compliance officer) is on BBC Sport website questioning the dismissal and defending his successor Anthony McGlennan in raising the Meekings complaint.

Surfing the internet and it seems that Lunny is a Celtic fan and McGlennan is/was a Celtic season ticket-holder ... anyone know for definite if this is true?

If so, you couldn't make this s$#@ up lol!

Can we please leave the paranoia and  conspiracy theories to Celtic and other Ugly Sister. No conspiracy just yet another c#ck up by the Scottish football authorities.

 

Duly noted. I don't like delving into stuff like this but if we don't learn from history we are bound to repeat it. They are Glasgow lawyers with an interest in football who happened to become compliance officers. They seem to be standing resolutely by the view that the ****-up is the original ref decision (rather than the aftermath). Now it may be loyalty between friends or pride talking but the vast majority of the non-Ceptic speaking world seemed to hold our view of the Meekings handball incident. If people are so dogged in their view in the face of opposition (including FIFA), then one is inclined to wonder about their underlying frame of reference or world/football view. Website posts about their club loyalty pre-dated Meekings (albeit mainly Rangers posts I grant you). The recent examples of celebrities spectacularly falling from grace serves to show that although we certainly don't want to throw ourselves into paranoia or conspiracy, it is clear that we live in a world where face value isn't always the whole story. 

Vincent Lunny (ex-compliance officer) is on BBC Sport website questioning the dismissal and defending his successor Anthony McGlennan in raising the Meekings complaint.

Surfing the internet and it seems that Lunny is a Celtic fan and McGlennan is/was a Celtic season ticket-holder ... anyone know for definite if this is true?

If so, you couldn't make this s$#@ up lol!

Common sense has prevailed ... now we can get back to enjoying it ... delighted for Josh especially and everyone associated with the club 

... oh, and Celtic ... GIRUY !!

 

Celtic fans have many reasons to distrust the SFA - some good and other perhaps not - but they have no impact on what's going on here. As to Celtic's right to ask for an explanation: I would ask if positions were reversed on the day would ICT fans not be demanding an explanation? I'm sure they would.

 

Well let's think about this type of scenario for a moment.  In the League Cup Final last year, around about the 80th minute, Richie Foran attempted to head a cross from a corner kick towards the goal, but didn't get a strong enough head on it.  Replays showed that he was pulled back by an Aberdeen player.  Now using the Celtic Logic (that being that their crystal balls have told them beyond all doubt that it definitely would've been a red card, the penalty would've been scored and that there was no way ICT would come back from 2-0 down despite it happening twice before and once with ten men for a fair chunk of the match), that penalty would've been scored and with ten minutes left ICT would've ran the clock down and won the League Cup.  Sure we were disappointed that we never got it, but we accepted it and unfortunately didn't do the business and got beat.  Disappointed?  Yes.  Had the penalty been given, would things be different?  Probably.  Demand the club write a letter to the SFA and our fans indulge in some absolutely sickening abuse of the Aberdeen player who we can't we even remember which one it was?  No.  Using the Celtic Logic, it would be fair game, but we didn't.  Who cares about all the success Celtic have had.  In recent years, ICT have shown more class than your club ever will.

 

You say the Celtic fans are demanding answers.  Who cares?  They're nothing but bad losers and (as anyone who's ever looked at that crackpot blogger Phil Mac...Mac...Mac...whatever his name is will tell you) a sizeable chunk are thick as mince.  It's quite embarrassing that they've totally bowed down to them.  Of course though, it's all about money.  Thick-as-mince fans buy stuff and you wouldn't want to alienate your largest market...

 

Finally, you say Celtic have a number of reasons to distrust the SFA?  Why would that be?  Is that these crackpot conspiracies involving Masons, the Triads, UFOs and all the rest of it?  Utterly cringeworthy, with Celtic once again attempting to create a vehicle for their thick fans to vent their anger out.  I'll tell you this, I'd find it hard to support a club like that.

 

Another great post and good analogy.

A penalty for the Foran foul may well have secured the League Cup for ICT ... and we didn't make a song and dance of it ... or contact the SFA ... or villify the Aberdeen player (whoever he was because I can't remember either)

Noteable difference is that the Aberdeen player DELIBERATELY impeded/did enough to put off Foran.

By contrast, our Josh ACCIDENTLY handled because he was in such close proximity ... to a ball travelling quickly .... with his eyes closed .... looking the other way!!!

 

I've been a Celtic supporter for almost 60 years and was at Sunday's Game and of course I was disappointed that we got beat and it does hurt to get so close to a Treble and not get it. But that feeling would have been the same if the incident involving Josh had never happened.

 

I don't know a single Celtic supporter that want's to see him barred from the final. He should have been dealt with at the time and that might have seen him miss the final - who knows?

 

But IMO the fact that every official was temporarily 'blind' at the crucial moment isn't good enough reason for the Compliance Officer to act and I think it's a deliberate attempt by the SFA to scapegoat Meekings as a deflection from the gross failure of every single match official.

 

Celtic fans have many reasons to distrust the SFA - some good and other perhaps not - but they have no impact on what's going on here. As to Celtic's right to ask for an explanation: I would ask if positions were reversed on the day would ICT fans not be demanding an explanation? I'm sure they would.

 

In the past these kinds of things were dealt with secfretly and privately and surely in this day and age football fans want to move-on into a more transparent approach to governing the game and ways to improve that process. ICT well deserved their victory on Sunday and deserve to be in the final.

 

IMO so does Josh Meekings - I simply don't care whether it was intentional or accidental although I do think it was a penalty and I don't believe none of the officials saw the incident. Whether they saw his hand hit the ball or 'saw' his face hit the ball or surmied it was his head that hit the ball I haven't a clue. But they - for whatever reason - appear to have taken a vow of Omerta.

 

Meekings, on the other hand, has been honest since the post-match interview in saying it struck his hand and admitting he was lucky. I admire they guy for that because he didn't fudge the question and told the truth. For that alone he deserves to be in the final!

 

celtic as a club have no axe to grind with the player or ICT - you have given us good games and the odd roasting and we value you as worthy opponents and good footballers and I would hate to think SFA manufactured nonsense and PR spin could create a rift between us. I'm sure it won't.

 

Celtic supporters solely have caused this entire sorry @ssed situation.

 

I have followed ICT since the 3rd division and experienced many, many highs and lows over the past 2 decades plus.

We have just reached our first ever Scottish Cup Final.  We played better on the day.  We merited our victory.  Even if we hadn't, and we had won the game with a lucky 89th minute own goal, the fact is we have just reached our first ever Scottish Cup Final. The feeling on Sunday was fantastic, one of the best I've had on my ICT journey - now?...

Now I'm just extremely angry at the whole pathetic shambles your fans have created.  A great feeling that should have lasted all week, ruined by your fans because they cannot accept that they were beaten.

 

Yes - the ref has messed up.  Yes - you should have had a penalty.

Was the handball deliberate?  Not for a second.

It's quite reasonable to believe that the linesman behind the goal thought the ball had hit Josh in the face/head.  And that is what he told the ref immediately.

Either way -  he was still wrong.

Unfair decisions have affected every club in Scotland.  Every club in Europe.  Every club in the world.  Yet your fans have to go out complaining it's not fair, and demand something happens.

And what has happened?

- An honest, young player has been thrust into the world media, received disgusting abuse and been made to feel like a cheat.  Josh is not a cheat.  It was handball - it was not deliberate.

- Our fans are left talking about this pathetic story rather than enjoying a fantastic achievement and an historic day in our clubs journey.

- Scottish football had been made to look even more ridiculous.

 

And who's caused this?

Your fans.  Your club.

Why?

Because you are nothing more than sore losers.

This entire sorry @ssed, pathetic, embarrassment has been caused by your fans and your club.

 

 

For years we've seen rangers claim they are too big for Scottish football - and now you're too big to lose in a cup game or to have a bad decision go against you?

Your fans have damaged the perception of your club throughout Scotland and further afield far worse than a bad officiating error has tarnished our game.

 

So you'll excuse me and many of my fellow football supporters if we don't meekly accept that you were right to do what you've done and if our club stands up for itself this time.

As far as this poster is concerned you can f**k off and leave the rest of us to get on with things - you've caused enough trouble as it is.

 

 

 

I now fully expect a warning or a ban from the mods for this rant.  That's a ban that's acceptable and won't be contested.

 

If I could multiple like this post I would. Brilliantly conveys the essence of what I think of this sorry episode ... apart from maybe the expletive at the end (which I can understand but not condone). Well said that man. 

When is the hearing today?

One more argument that others haven't mentioned yet. Looking closely at the incident again, even if Meekings misses the ball, Shinnie is covering the line. So not a 'last man' offence by any means.

It would have to be Inspector Gadget with a go-go-gadget arm ;)

After consultation with interested parties, the Independent three man tribunal has been selected and will consist of Andy Walker, Dr John Reid and Billy McNeill.....

General Melchett, speckled pigeon, court martial and Blackadder comes to mind :) 

From the horse's mouth ... 2 min video from ref Steven McLean last year on the handball rule.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/26159324

If not deliberate, then not an offence. Yogi cannot have a situation where at the same time it is 1) not deliberate but 2) a sending off + penalty 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32409694

Ex-Compliance Officer's opinion ... not pleasant reading ... wonder if he's a Celt?

Particularly ironic his comment "... but the panel should be left to come to their decision on their own without any other external pressures." ... given he is professing his own technical, experienced opinion which is likely to carry weight in media circles on face value at least. 

On Yogi ... indiscrete naivety OR sarcasm OR (even, pardon the cold-hearted cynic) not making enemies of Celts fans in case a more lucrative job becomes available down the track? Discuss. 

And now for a bit of light relief ...

Sometimes JH's enthusiasm for being fair to the opposition gets a bit much. We're certainly not getting anything like that degree of respect from Celtic.

You are absolutely right. Celtic certainly won't extend the same courtesy. Think Yogi is trying to be some sort of all-things-to-all men politician. Although of course Yogi is totally 100% for ICT, it probably doesn't help that he is great mates with John Collins. Misguided, over-enthusiastic magnaminity. Generosity of spirit to our player first and foremost should be order of the day and thankfully that is backed up by the facts ... so I expect us to win the day with Josh. No way deliberate.

Surprised by Yogi's comments that Celtic were right to complain 

 

Caley boss John Hughes refused to be drawn on the ban but admitted Celtic were RIGHT to complain.

He said: “I’m 100 per cent behind Celtic. Unfortunately it’s the referee that gets it.

“It was a penalty and a sending-off. It would have been 2-0 and game over but I’m 100 per cent convinced that it was an honest mistake by the official

It is only a sending off if deliberate. It's only Yogi's opinion but it certainly makes ICT look more than a bit naive in the media handling. Surely Yogi should have been briefed by legal counsel before undertaking an interview of this sort for flips sake!

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/9233186/1/

Celtic fans forum. Disturbing reading. Gave up at page 15 of 81. The odd balanced view swamped by other paranoid, self-absorbed, disrespectful comments. Hope the SFA can surprise us and act impartially when the vast Ceptic hordes are spewing out their nonsense. Worrying that these "adults" have the vote.

Here's the apparent breach "Disciplinary Rule 200: In that at the above match you did deny the opposing team an obvious goal scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball"

 

As others have said, I can't see how intent can be proved in this case (remember, Cifci's assault was thrown out as "unproven") because he clearly tries to head the ball and has his eyes closed! As Yogi has intimated on the STV site - he'll drag up every possible case possible to show that there is no precedent for this. But this is the SFA....

Exactly ... intent cannot possibly be proven ... Josh and Griffiths were very close together, Josh was stretching his whole body ... all very quick in real time

Maybe the celtic fans should remember this first before mouthing off about yesterday????

 

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/542950/Celtic-boss-Ronny-Delia-says-Scots-referees-are-fantastic

Thanks for sharing. Hilarious. Just shows that his opinion of referees all hinges on which way the wind is blowing for Ceptic.

Absolutely amazing day. Started in Burnley. Aged 10 years during game. What a result what a performance. Stuck in Perth (broken down) en route back to Burghead. Great memories keeping us warm

We're here! Burghead to Burnley Lancashire (Saturday birthday party) to Hampden but the first ICT fan we speak to has come up from Watford on train :0 Come on ICT ... give us another big day againdt Falkirk!

Great to be able to watch the whole match down here tghanks to Sky.....in many respects a great result

 

Brill very unfortunate, and not Mackay-Smiths fault at all, he had every right to go for the ball, and barely touched him, I think his knee jarred in the turf, but credit to M-S that he showed so much concern....Esson looked pretty safe, bar a nearly fluffed clearance, he made two or three good saves.

 

Ofere was excellent in his physical presence and ball control, if a little slow and tired later.....I felt he he had been playing more regularly one or two of our players would have got closer to him to pick up knock-ons/passes.....also Christie played a couple of through balls in to space for him, that he was never going to get, ball to feet will be the better option. However the Celtic CB's certainly knew they had been in a game, which bodes well for next week.

 

Largely very impressed with Christie, he did so much closing down to help keep Cetic under pressure and allow others to close down their man....one of our best options

 

Watkins a bit quiet but he was doing alot of defensive work...I wamt him to peak next week not this!

 

Although Celtic were dominant for periods, there were good sections of play for Caley too.

 

Some nice stuff from Tansey and Shinnie especially, and our CB's weren't over-run

 

Overall a solid game for Caley, a well earned point, and we avoided what Celtic did to Dundee U before their cup matches, which was morale damage along with getting suspensions

 

Can't wait for next week!

 

Great result for Palace as well, so I have had a great weekend football-wise

Good to hear a summing up from how it appeared on telly. I would that I think Esson is improving with game-time ... He had an excellent tip-over late at Pittodrie late on. We can go into next Sunday with confidence. Fingers crossed for brave, strong, impartial, competent refereeing - that is my remaining concern.

Watkins should so be out on the wing (where he is much better) supplying crosses for Ofere who should be getting more game time. Complete lack of width or attacking at pace in forward areas. Raven was useless going forward as usual ... gets a nose bleed at the prospect of running at/skinning somebody and so just passes back. It is well versed script. He was sub'd with Devine coming into the centre and Meekings shifted to right back presumably because Josh offered more going forward. Aberdeen closed us down very quickly when we went forward because we took an inordinate length of time deciding what to do and showed little/no guile. By contrast when Aberdeen broke they had oceans of space and should have scored more. Serious lack of intensity breaking forward when behind. Even my 8 year old lad was shouting to move it forward. Seemingly nobody wants to finish 3rd. We are only holding our own because Utd are in freefall.

I  wish we were 3rd in the league in a good position for Europe & maybe in the semi final of the Scottish Cup.

 

I`m not asking a lot.

 

We are no doubt all delighted with where we are but why let it fade. See my longer post above. In a few weeks time our away games will just be against top six teams, not an inconsistent bottom six one like today. Good to aim high. I remember the post match interview Alex Ferguson gave after Aberdeen beat Rangers in the 1983 Scottish Cup Final after extra time. A gruelling but hugely successful week where they had also beaten Real Madrid in the European Cup Winners Cup ... After extra time on a heavy pitch. Players probably utterly exhausted. What did he say? It was a disgraceful Aberdeen performance and the players should have been ashamed of themselves!! What on earth is my point in this? That ... That is a winning mentality. He maybe pushed it too far, encouragement naturally has its place but it is a good, good thing to push one's team on especially if you know they can do better. Aim at nothing and you're sure to hit your target.

The thing is, we all know Watkins isn't the greatest ball player but he muscled his way through two or three times today and just at the point of pulling the trigger he lost control, although it was as much the fault of the bumpy pitch as Marley's.

Ironically, apart from his presence in the air, the one thing that has really stood out about Ofere at the home games is his excellent ball control at least when he receives the ball to feet.

I would love to see a "front four" of Ofere with Doran, Christie and Watkins behind. That is where Watkins has been best.

That was as bad as it gets. Two poor teams on a poor pitch. Dreadful game and whatever balance we had was destroyed by the 3 substitutions. Doran might have made a difference as he looked really fresh and eager to get involved but when we put Tarlo & Eddie on we looked even more clueless.

Started with 3 at the back and nobody seemed to know what their job was, with a strange lack of urgency as though we were 3 goals up.

Partick actually looked a very poor side and the boy Lawless was allowed too much space to get in just about the only bit of quality in the whole game, a decent left footed strike that crept in at Ryan's left hand post.

Thanks for the detailed review but I think it makes me feel even more disappointed. A real opportunity missed. I just cannot fathom why Doran isn't goven more game time. When he is given a proper run-out, he often has that bit of craft required.

Even if we do get beat...tis ok, with Dundee Utd getting beat and the Sheep only getting 1 pt, so, could be worse

Its all well and good to say that but we have now said that the last few weeks

Sitting 3rd in the league, approaching April, and people still find something to be negative about.

I know Partick are something of a bogey team. However, even if this was a blip (it's not given bad recent league form), this result is mildly disappointing purely based on relative table positions ... And that would be the case in any league the world over. Just because we are Inverness doesn't mean we shouldn't aim higher still ... Or at least do a better job of consolidating what we have. It's almost as if, because we are relatively new to this lofty position, we feel as though we don't deserve it, we're not worthy. We do deserve it, we are worthy and seeing Aberdeen drop points today before our kick-off we should have been fired up to make inroads on 2nd place. Yes we are delighted with what the team has achieved this season so far but why stop now? Even Graeme Shinnie said in the P & J today that he really wants us to really drive on to the end this season unlike the tail end of the last two ... His words.

There's a poster on a Dundee United forum, with a 'legal' background who predicted that Ciftci would 'get off' due to an error in the wording of the citation. The Compliance Officer suggested Ciftci had 'deliberately' kicked a player on the head. The poster suggested that the word 'recklessly' would have been more appropriate and in that case, Ciftci would certainly have been found culpable. Apparently, from a legal standpoint, it's difficult to PROVE deliberate intent from video evidence - hence the not proven verdict.

So, perhaps the Compliance Officer made a blunder!

If that's the case, then the SFA decision represents a judgement on the descriptive words used rather than the act itself. Lol. Beggars belief.