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believe what you want, but I know what I have heard and who (plural) I have heard it from .........

Chris. It is not a joke, its a very serious matter. Charlie resigned last Monday and if Brewster was unveiled shortly thereafter there would have been moans and groans but nothing like the level of unhappiness shown at the moment. I believe most people would have said something like this ..... "he did crap at DUFC but he wasnt that bad at ICT. He got the team fit. He talked about loyalty but we can forgive him because DUFC was hs 'dream job'. We need someone who can settle in quickly and he knows everyone." However, the simple (alleged) "truth" - coming from normally reliable sources - is that everything last week, including the fans' meeting was just smoke and mirrors designed to give the impression of transparency in a process that had already run its course. It backfired when Warnock was embraced by a large number of ICT fans as their preferred choice and once again, the ICT PR "machine" proved to be powered by an 18th century steam engine !!! Brewster is probably not getting an entirely fair hearing because of that but as I have said, I personally will give him a chance and be happy to eat humble pie if he exceeds my expectations as that will mean my team is doing well. I hope others will do the same if results go in the other direction. The nasty taste that this debacle leaves in the mouth is that for the first time in more than 13 years I have serious reservations about the board of our club. If they wanted to appoint Brewster then why not go ahead and do it. Instead, we were strung along with a false process and treated as idiots and as CD said elsewhere that just seems to make the chasm between "them" and "us" even wider.

Wanderer - Like CaleyD and others, I do not believe he is the man for the job and my reasoning for this is clearly spelt out in various threads. However, the more I hear "unofficially", the more my fears over CB fade into insignificance compared to my concerns about behind the scenes machinations. I will give him a chance and as I have said on many other threads, and contrary to your belief I WILL be happy to declare I was wrong and eat my humble pie if he manages to prove me wrong. There are so many things floating around the grapevine of "reliable sources" right now about how this whole debacle was shaped and manipulated for a long time that if most of them only have a small grain of truth in them we should be very concerned about things behind the scenes.

this is what the matchday thread is for.

Brewster scores for Aberdeen :rolleyes02:

only getting Hibs game too .... at least there was a goal. formation 4-4-2 - McBain at left back. Wilkie is playing up front for DUFC !!!

[li]Discuss the game in this very thread right here :004:[/li] [li]Get to the chatroom HERE[/li] [li]See the subs / bookings / report - after the game starts - HERE[/li] [li]At the game ? - Dont forget to vote in the POLL after the game has ended. HERE [/li] [li]See the stats etc by choosing today's game from HERE[/li] LINEUPS ICT [attach=1] DUNDEE UTD [attach=2]

ohh look ... shiny shoes .... I can see myself in them.

think I mentioned it elsewhere but the solution to the speed issue (while also keeping all features) is probably for us to go from shared hosting to either private servers or dedicated servers ..... but for that we need sponsorship as it is pretty pricey so if anyone knows someone willing to sponsor a portion of the site let us know !!!!

He turned it down because he didnt like those nasty boys right above the tunnel :015: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2682701,00.html

and if that was the case where is the problem in issuing a press release stating "Warnock was our first choice but we couldnt match his wage demands" end of story, move on. no big deal.

I havent actually seen his agent quoted anywhere but I have posted about a dozen links in various threads that have direct quotes from Warnock ! OK. fair enough It may be semantics but these were not Caley Thistle fans, they were ex-Caley or ex-Thistle fans who chose not to support the new team that had been formed. I do not recall any boycotts of Caley Thistle by Caley Thistle fans. As a Caley Thistle fan and shareholder I am incensed that the board appear to be making a decision based on something other than picking the best man for the job. names have been mentioned as being on a 'shortlist' but unless we are even more in the dark than we think, even though mentioned as being on this shortlist, two of them havent even been spoken to. That is wrong on so many levels. If the decision was already made, what was the point of the fans' meeting on Wednesday ? What was the point of having a shortlist ? They should have just appointed him and be done with it. and what the **** is the deal with asking Neil Lennon ? a name not even on anyone's radar this week. As for Brewster himself, lets forget about his previous departure, his alleged 'tapping' of players and anything else we might hold against him for a moment, it is his stats that dont make good reading and that is my biggest concern. Perhaps he will come in and because we have Niculae, McDonald, Bayne and Wyness as well as Rory and Wood he will be able to get them playing well and surprise the 80% on here who dont want him. As a Caley Thistle fan I sincerely hope so. I would like nothing better than to turn around at Xmas and state "OK, I was wrong, Brewster's doing a good job and I take it all back" but my fear is that we will instead be saying "s*** we are f***** even Gretna cant save us now" maybe it will all look better next week ... but right now, its a very bad feeling.

Because Warnock has said at least twice in as many days that he hasnt been contacted. Well actually both Warnock and the club acknowledged he was interested and the chairman said at the meeting (according to some who were there that he had applied and would be considered I am questioning the appointment of a manager who I do not think was the best candidate of those that applied, I am questioning the lack of honesty I feel we have been presented with by the board but under no circumstances am I questioning the team or the players who as someone else has said in another thread have worked **** hard for the club over the years. As for "thick and thin" just look up my name in Ian Broadfoots book. I have done my part, or at least tried to and I will continue to do so when and where I can but that does not include bending over while the club try to ram a bad decision somewhere the sun dont shine and ask me to be happy about it. Other than supporters of Caley and Thistle who chose not to become supporters of the new club, I do not recall any other boycotts. please refresh my memory ? I dont support the idea of boycotting the team but that does not stop me from speaking my mind about the way this whole debacle appears to have been handled.

Brewster's record as manager P50 W17 D18 L15 / Winning percentage 34.00% Brewster's Home record P27 W9 D7 L11 / Winning percentage 33.33% Brewster's Away record P23 W8 D11 L4 / Winning percentage 34.78% pretty even stats .... HOWEVER Brewster's record when ON the pitch P33 W13 D10 L10 / Winning percentage 39.39% Brewster's record when NOT on the pitch P17 W4 D8 L5 / Winning percentage 23.52% A significant difference which supports comments made earlier about Brewster the Player being required to bale out Brewster the manager. Is the difference because he is a good player or because someone else is calling the shots when he is on the pitch ? that much is up for debate but the figures speak for themselves.

Do you honestly feel thay have ever operated any other way Scotty :symbol_question: YES. I not only feel it, I believe it, and have experienced it. I was - at times - part of the conduit that existed between board and fans both through the website and also by virtue of membership of a couple of committees that David Sutherland setup shortly after taking over the chairmanship (first time round). I realise that things change a little each time we move up a rung of the ladder but there is no good reason for the relationship between the board/club and fans to have sunk so low.

23rd August was indeed a 0-1 defeat by East Fife with a Paul Cherry OG headed past Les Fridge in 52 minutes. It was not however the last Saturday in August as 7 days later it was the 30th and we lost 3-2 away to Stenhousemuir ! .... never mind, at least the facts in the book are right

I am reading what you say with interest Charles and to be honest, as my day progresses I am becoming less concerned with Brewster and more concerned with our board. RE: Brewster's departure. There are two undeniable facts in evidence ! (1) Brewster made a statement about loyalty and (2) Barely two weeks later he buggered off. Thats what the fans saw and you cant slate us for reacting to that. If there were positive elements surrounding his departure or 'gestures' made by him to ensure ICT were 'looked after' then this didnt come out and that is not our fault. I can also sympathise with the man because managing DUFC for him was like CC managing ICT - both clubs were the 'dream team' for each of them. However, for these positive 'facts' to come out now is too little too late and smacks totally and utterly of spin. We have been fed so much bullshit recently that most of us dont know which way is up ! (except IHE of course) As for his record - I said in the article on the front page of the site and in the forums that his record at ICT was not actually that bad. However, like many, I believe Brewster the Player (BTP) was an enormous help to Brewster the Manager (BTM). At Dundee United, BTM got found out because BTP wasnt on the park ! As you say, I am sure there were other factors too but that record concerns me as it should everyone else. no-one will be more delighted than me if he proves that my fears are totally unfounded and I have said that elsewhere too but if BTM causes ICT to finish at the BoTomM then both he and the board will have to seriously consider their positions. As for Warnock - how can the club make a decision on the man without even talking to him? Do they know his expectations ? Do they know his salary requirements ? Do they know what he knows about Scotland outside the OF ? or as it reads in numerous articles are they just assuming everything? (and I am sure you know what they say about assuming things !!!) Anything they have said only indicates "baggage" or puts up barriers and everything he has said has swatted away those perceived barriers such as finances and his desire to be considered etc. If they have spoken to him and decided against him then a little hint of "why" might not go amiss but if they have not spoken to him then that is arrogance of the worst order as his record speaks for itself and unscientific or not, the various polls on here have shown that an overwhelming number of fans who took part in them either voted for him or against Brewster.

I read on one article that he had applied for it but I am damned if i can find that article now. However, these links pretty much show he would like to be considered. [LINK] "I have often talked about managing up in Scotland," Warnock was quoted as saying. "We have family up there and my wife has already said she would like to live up in Scotland at some point. I'm dying to get back into the game and if Inverness or anybody else want to talk to me then I'd be delighted to do so." [LINK] He said: "I would not be against working in Scotland, but I have not spoken to anybody at Inverness." The 58-year-old, who is visiting relatives at Dunoon, added: "It would be a challenge to pit my wits against the top two in Scotland. It would not be a step down at all, I have spent most of career taking on clubs with loads of money. It is not difficult to get in contact with me, but nobody from Inverness has been in touch." [LINK] "He is under consideration like everyone else, but at the end of the day the club is a success, we have again made a profit this year, we have maintained SPL status, so we will have to look at wage demands and any baggage that comes with someone." Alan Savage talking about Warnock.

very true I refer to my earlier comments on another thread. my fear is that his ability is not there. he can only be judged on his record and his most recent record is shocking. 3 wins in 30 games at DUFC ! So why not issue an update? Everything that has trickled to the press so far seems to try and spin the club in a certain direction and comments about Warnock seem to centre around words like "baggage" without actually adding any substance to those comments. We have been at pains to explicitly point that out Everything that has been mentioned as a possible obstacle to his appointment has been virtually swatted away by the man himself. Have the club actually sat down with him or his agent to get definitive answers to these questions? If they have, then why not nip this whole thing in the bud and say so. I have always judged the board on two levels - the results they produce and their integrity. I have always thought they had both in abundance but right now I am questioning my beliefs on that score.

With all due respect - we are moaning (quite rightly in my opinion) about a board who appear to have ignored the opinions of fans in the appointment of a new manager. With the exception of this 'incident' our experiences with the board have up until now been for the most part positive. David Sutherland did listen to fans, Kenny Cameron initiated the "Boardroom Banter" series of articles when he was on the board and both Ken Thompson and John Sutherland when in powerful positions at the club had the fans interests close to their hearts. these companies or individuals would not give a flying **** about the fans or anyone else and I feel it would be very much a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I am with you on that. Brewster will be far easier to forgive if he puts together a winning run, gets us up the table and generally shows that the Dundee 'adventure' wasnt the real indicator of his managerial talents. I can even say I could forgive him for the 'declare loyalty the leave' debacle if he proves he can actually manage the team. My fears about Brewster have more to do with my opinion about his ability as a manager than anything else and if he dispels those fears I will happily eat humble pie in public on here. The board on the other hand appear to have spoken with two faces. There is the one face that tells the fans they are looking at all candidates and listening to what we say and then the real one that appears to have had no-one but Brew in the frame since the very start ... longer if some posts are to be believed. This betrayal may never be forgiven.

Like many others on here, if this turns out to be true, then I feel more than a little disillusioned, angry and deceived. Once again the 'sensible' Johndo hit the nail on the head about what was happening long before any of us would get our heads out of the sand. When we did get our heads out of the sand, a huge majority of fans who voted in the polls (84.7%) voted for someone other than Brewster to be the new manager. I know this site cant say it represents all fans, and nor do we claim to, but unscientific though the polls are, they are a pretty good indication of the strength of feeling amongst a broad base of the support. The fact that the board appear to have not even spoken to the man who led those polls with more than 62% of the vote despite him making at least 4 or 5 positive 'come and get me' statements and then had the audacity to treat the fans like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed on ****) at a hastily organised fans' forum is yet another slap in the face. It appears to have been nothing more than another amateur PR stunt and that really rankles me. Like ICT_away I dont really have the option of voting with my feet from this side of the pond but I may show my displeasure in other ways such as allowing my centenary club membership to lapse or not planning future trips home around the fixture list ! I will also find it somewhat difficult to motivate myself to get up so early in the morning over here to tune into Radio Scotland (when available) but will probably continue to do so as I do a lot of live updates to numerous pages of the site during a game and this is done for the fans of the club who use this site and they should not suffer because of the short sightedness of others. If some want to say I am not a true fan, then like MEE I would say you can stick it ! I have put a lot of time, effort and money into establishing and running this site for the last 13 years as well as other aspects of my support both when I lived in Inverness and since I moved over here. My support for the team will not waver but my opinion of our manager and of our board of directors is at the lowest point it has ever been and it will take a long time (if ever) for that to be repaired. I think I need to step back today and try not to post anything else as I will probably regret it later. I am so angry right now that even those who know me would not recognise me. However, lets just say that next week's AGM may well be very interesting (or even uncomfortable) now !

:clapping03: :clapping03: :clapping03: precisely what I was thinking.

Dunoon to Inverness IS a quick trip compared to what people endure over here ! although I concede you could take the scenic route up the A82

I am still in the Warnock camp but if we cant get him, then I would prefer to see Coyle rather than Brewster. To my mind there are only two things you could perhaps point to as negatives about Coyle and that is St Johnstone's failure to capitalise on the Gretna implosion towards the end of last season and that he would likely cost a six figure compensation fee. The first, I feel, is merely a blip in an otherwise impeccable managerial record which has seen him cut his teeth in the lower leagues in preparation for the SPL. The other is to be expected if we are to get a good manager. I also find it ironic that we may be able to poach a manager from a club we once modeled ourselves on !!!