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the songs sung at Caley Park (and at Todders) as I'm sure Absent Friend can confirm are nothing to do with Fields Alex but are of the slightly more sinister variety which seems to sneak into the away repertoire of certain supports. This is a slightly separate issue to the FBOs. Remember: From 1st September 2006 anyone causing trouble, being abusive, violent or bigoted can be banned from going to matches in Scotland, the rest of UK, and overseas for up to 10 years. The issue here is interpretation of what is abusive and the Lemon could quite easily say that he took offence at being called a numpty... It is also WHO'S interpretation of the issue that is the problem. What you might see as abusive may just be the 'craic' to someone else. For example - and I'm taking no sides here... - the boys getting thrown out of Tynie the other week. The actions of one could, in my opinion, be interpreted by some as abusive or offensive and could have led to a banning order. Now, folk might sit there reading this and think 'that's daft (or words to that effect)' but as i said in my first post it is actually a possibility. Folk have been thrown out of grounds for it as happened there. Now that these powers have been given they, again in my opinion, will have to be seen to be used. I think the wording of the FBOs has not been too carefully thought out and could result in people being prosecuted without much thought and it will then be up to the PF to decide whether to take it further or to a sheriff to make a reasoned judgement. Football is, as Absent Friend pointed out, will certainly lose something when the powers that be - who have never probably stood on a terrace in their lives - start meddling in it. If 2500 OF fans, at ICT stadium, start singing offensive songs, how should the police handle this They will handle this in they way they are handling it at other grounds round the country at present. They will target an individual whether they are taking part or not and they will be made an example of. We have already seen this at our ground. And there is no point in proclaiming your innocence.... I'm sorry if this sounds a bit negative but it is!! And it is something we ALL need to be aware of.

john stewart anyone?? :004:

a wee birdie hinted to me on saturday that he was staying.... :004: :001:

Macmillan Cancer Care are having a collection at the stadium the day of the United game. Unfortunately they are short of collectors and were wondering if any of the supporters could help them out. They are need 4 but more would be fantastic. Get a couple of pals together and help. What about folk that don't even go to games - they can help too. they also have a couple of 'mascot' suits if anyone's wanting to try them out. they would be looking for folk from 2 till just before kick off - not a huge amount of time... To help please call Jim on 07761 796726 If you want to see what Macmillan Cancer Care is about here's the thingy -> MacMillan Cancer Relief (maybe admin can make the thingy clicky and the post a sticky...) Edited to change date from Oct to Sept, if it's the Dundee Utd game.

passports should be with the club next week before the motherwell game. whether that will be in time for them to be sent out or not i'm not sure..

lol :001: :001: :001:

Yeh he was fine was let out as soon as they took his details at the station. I think the worst thing was his dad was up visiting and this was the first time he had been in the ICT end as he is a Jambo, and probably one of the few times him and Kev have been to a gamne together ..... I don't think he had planned to see his son being dragged away by the cops :015: :015: He took it extremely well though well - tell the bold boy if he doesn't behave i'll have to put him over my knee :001:

and is the lovely Kev all right???

Yes Harry there were tickets on sale there but as i pointed out earlier there were not meant to. I had tried to get tickets for Govan Jaggie (and someone from Grantown) on Friday night/Saturday morningand was unable to. Not sure if Grassa was involved but certainly the new Chairman Alan Savage was and I spoke to him before the game. One thing i will be doing is following up our conversation in writing over the next couple of days.

I have a worry about this game in that some of our supporters down south may not have access to websites and notice boards and may turn up at the ground expecting to be able to pay to get in. I am not long off the phone to a very nice lady at Hearts who has confirmed that THERE WILL BE NO CASH GATES AND NO FACILITY TO BUY TICKETS AT THE GROUND FOR THE AWAY END The lady said that all clubs were informed of this at the start of the season However, you can still buy tickets from ICT and they can be collected at Tynecastle

that should work.. give the club a phone on 01463 222880 and if it doesn't work give me a ring on 07720 433660

you did such a good job last time i've been trying to think of a way to get you there again :001:! Saw the lovely Billy S last week as we passed like ships in Perth...

That's true Heilandee but who brings it to the attention of the courts in the first place??

credit or switch needed.. how are you going down?

i totally agree and this comment was made by more than one person last night!! :clapping04:

unfortunately that is what we are faced with in this day and age. and remember this will affect Scotland fan too.. i also think that they will, rightly or wrongly, find their way of dealing with the OF. there are many clubs in Italy and Spain, Germany and Holland and the rest that are just as bad as the terrible twins and i know that folk will say but they're not in scotland but at the end of the day if they are doing this it needs to be equitable across football wherever. I've said it before and I'll say it again - once they take the tribalism of whatever kind out of football the game will slowly die.

you can always keep caley till aye die company... :001:

not the attitude RIG - it will make no difference to the Exec who does what..

what a brave man!!

Oh ? Do Tell ! :004: guess as you will be on an alternative mode of transport you'll never know! :001: Oh, I'll be bussing it, no choo choo for me :001: ah but will you be on the right bus.... :003:

Oh ? Do Tell ! :004: guess as you will be on an alternative mode of transport you'll never know! :001:

Steve Conroy

MESSAGE FROM JUSTICE MINISTER CATHY JAMIESON: TACKLING VIOLENCE AND SECTARIANISM AT FOOTBALL MATCHES IN SCOTLAND I love football and can't remember a time when the new season wasn't eagerly anticipated in my household. Like millions of other football fans across Scotland my family keenly debates fixtures, transfers, injuries and the many other issues that concern and entertain us all. As passionate football fans we all want to see our clubs do well at home and abroad, and the national team qualifying for Euro 2008 would give us great cause for celebration. But it's not just clubs and players that get discussed in my home. We also talk about the fans and the way their behaviour can make or break a club's reputation. Scottish fans have an excellent global reputation, but football hooliganism and sectarian bigotry continue to tarnish the hard-earned and well-deserved image Scotland has for friendliness. Year after year we have seen fans who should be united by their love of sport becoming bitter enemies, abusing their club's history, traditions and good name as they attempt to excuse their own bile and bigotry. I've heard this excused as people being only "90 minute bigots" and abusive behaviour dismissed as "harmless banter". But bigotry is bigotry. It can't just be turned on and off, and abuse is certainly not harmless to those on the receiving end. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour and it will not be tolerated any more. I've no intention of dampening the passion we all feel for our clubs. Far from it, as I want fans to enjoy the matches and take pride in their team's achievements. But I know that genuine football fans have had enough of their game being hijacked by bullies and thugs who only want to indulge in abusive tribal behaviour. It's time to weed out the yobs whose harassing and intimidating behaviour has gone on for long enough. That is why I will be introducing Football Banning Orders in Scotland. From 1st September 2006 anyone causing trouble, being abusive, violent or bigoted can be banned from going to matches in Scotland, the rest of UK, and overseas for up to 10 years. These individuals can also be banned from other areas such as town centres, railway stations and bars on match days. The message is clear. Abusive behaviour has no place in Scottish football. Hooligans can deny their prejudice as much as they want, but there's nothing casual about going from 90 minutes of bigotry to a 10 year ban. We can all play a part in tackling abusive behaviour. We can all examine our own behaviour and challenge the attitudes and behaviour of others, and we can all exert peer pressure on those who bring our clubs into disrepute. Together we can ensure that the vile behaviour of the minority doesn't spoil the season for the rest of us. I wish you and your club all the best for the new season and know that you can be counted on to do your bit for the reputation of our national game and our country. CATHY JAMIESON Minister for Justice FOOTBALL BANNING ORDERS (FBOs): YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED The following question and answer section will help you to understand how Football Banning Orders in Scotland will apply: When will FBOs come into force? Football Banning Orders are part of Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006 and come into force on 1 September 2006. Why do we need FBOs? Abusive football hooliganism is still a lingering menace in Scotland. FBO's will help to tackle the small but hard core element who continue to cause trouble at football matches and other places where fans gather by excluding them from these places. What football matches can you be excluded from? Abusive behaviour could lead to you being banned from every senior club in the UK and any game involving the national teams, even those played abroad. Why can you be banned from other places and not just football grounds? Not all football related trouble happens in or around football stadiums. There are many other flashpoints where trouble can erupt on match days, such as bars which are popular with fans, town centres or railway stations. How will FBOs work? There are two ways. A court can impose a FBO on an individual convicted of an offence instead of, or in addition to, any sentence the court could impose for the offence. Also the police can make a summary application to a sheriff court for a FBO to be imposed against an individual. Who will administer FBOs? The Football Banning Orders Unit will administer FBO's for the whole of Scotland. By working closely with all of the police forces in Scotland and across the UK they will ensure that hooligans are identified, arrested and prosecuted. They will also ensure that FBO's are rigorously enforced and information shared. Anyone who fails to comply with the terms of their FBO or commits an offence can be fined and imprisoned for up to 6 months. How long will a FBO last? Between 3 and 10 years, depending on the circumstances of the case. Do FBO's apply to sectarian chanting? Yes, this is a unique feature of Scottish FBO's. What can I do? If you see trouble or know of an individual who has previously caused or been involved in violence or disorder, and you think that they may continue to pose a threat, you should report the matter to the police remember - this can affect you too. A St Mirren fan was thrown out the other week for sarcasitically cheering Kenny Miller missing a sitter. After 1st September, depending on which steward/policeman is standing next to you and their interpretation of things it could result in you receiving a banning order. to me this is a shocking development in the world of football :010:

taking an arab to the Dumbarton game :010: and will be the envy of a few spotty youths with my companions on Saturday :004: :001:

i would have thought so...