Renegade

Who do you think is the most important player in the ICT squad? For me Hayes. If he wasn't a regular in the ICT squad, ICT wouldn't be anywhere near the top 4, let alone challenging for the league title.

Ah well that's okay then, not rating a player is one thing, but wanting him to fail (a philosophy that seems to be true in a few posters) is another. On the other bit, it's not just Tokely and Lionel that can't pass, it's about three quarters of the team!

:) This coming from the poster who goes on and on about how amazing Butcher is? A bit boring and tedious is it not?

. for example your favourite for the job Robbo, apart from what he achieved with ICT he has done poorly at Hearts, C*unty and Livi... does that make him a bad manager?? Maybe you should go back and check who my favourite candidate was at the time. Can't be ersed.. Well it wasn't Robbo, it was Butcher.

Why is it with Lionel that some people are just desperate for him to fail? You can just imagine what's going on in these people's heads - Go on Lionel, fail Fail so I can gloat at everyone {Lionel has the ball at his feet} Go on Lionel, mess it up! {Lionel complete's pass} Oh no, he got it right! Maybe next time.... {Lionel, who's been playing well, makes one bad pass and the opposition score} Lionel messed it up! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! I was right! What a bombscare! What a terrible game! Get him off! I was right! I was right! Yet these same people (like hypothetical dimwit above) seem to treat Ross Tokely as some sort of God, when most of the time, he ain't much better.

. for example your favourite for the job Robbo, apart from what he achieved with ICT he has done poorly at Hearts, C*unty and Livi... does that make him a bad manager?? Maybe you should go back and check who my favourite candidate was at the time.

Keep searching mateys! :angry:

So that's where Angus the Stag went!

I don't care what he did elsewhere, I'd rather go on the fact that he has one of, if not, the best win percentage since Pele. You're argument about the league doesn't stand up... you manage the team you have, in the league they're in he can't do anything else but try and get the wins. No other teams will touch him because he's our manager... are you actually comparing to Butcher to Sir Alex Ferguson here? Have you asked yourself why a manager with decent calibre would come anywhere near ICT?? I'm not for a second suggesting he's the answer to all our problems but he is what we have and he's obviously doing all he can for ICT and at the moment a lot of what he's doing is working. I don't buy into the "we live in a blame culture" boll0x but after reading your last sentence I see what they mean. You have no idea what went on behind the scenes or what influenced Butcher's decisions at that time... it was his decision to make and he was obviously doing what he thought was neccesary to keep us in the division. If Tokely doesn't get caught on the wrong side of Higdon (?) then you would be kissing the ground he walked on for it being a piece of genius. We were relegated and he was incharge at the time but to say that it was his fault when we were in such a dire hole before he arrived is well off the mark I get some of your points, just the thing is, I just don't rate the guy. I'm not the only feels that way (despite what you'd read off this forum), I feel that he doesn't play good football, seems a bit tactically naive and if he thinks Stratford is better than Vigurs, then there's something not right there. The point you make about him "not being touched because he's ICT manager" I think is an interesting one. What is a man of that footballing calibre doing here? To me that says quite a bit about his ability. You say you don't care how well he did elsewhere, but if you don't learn from the past then you're bound to repeat it and some of the traits he displayed here are almost identical to what he has done elsewhere. It might not seem like it just now, but I won't be surprised if it ends in a similar manner as well.

After watching last nights game, I'm gonna change mine about a bit. It's time to win the league in style, bring back attack! Esson Tokely Bulvitis Munro Golabek Cox Duncan Djebi-Zadi Odhiambo Rooney Hayes Subs - Allison, Proctor, McBain, Ross, Eagle

I was surprised and disappointed with the attendance at this highly prestigious Cup Final. Couldn't have been any more than around 350. I reckon it was more like 200.

For me - County Not because I love them in any fashion, just because I don't want to see teams (like Dundee) buy the title, County have played good football this season, and most of all, if County were to be promoted, I doubt ICT would like to be seen as the "little" team in the Highlands, and could give the club a boot up the backside and make the team strive even harder to be successful.

Wow, there's nothing like the 4-2-4-1 formation is there!

Aye I think it was, he was that ginger haired bloke.

Was that boy Smith for ICT the number 3? I thought he had quite a good game.

Two draws would be the best results for Dundee.

I was there and it was an all right game. ICT had to resort to long balls for parts, but only because the pitch was in such a bad condition. I remember a one point, Bulvitis passed the ball to the right and it bobbled about for about a yard and then pinged in the air! And it wasn't just that, the pitch seemed to make a strange crunchy sound at times too. Of the team, Nick Ross played well and looked tricky and speedy on the wing, Stratford was good, Bully was solid, Lionel was good, as was Eagle. Sanchez I though had a good first half and seemed quite comfortable on the ball. Did anyone else notice that the entire Clach team (who actually weren't that bad) looked about S4 age and looked about 5"7 or below, except the number 11 and their big second half goalie. The best moment - Lionel Djebi-Zadi came so close to scoring an amazing goal. What an overhead kick, but sadly it went wide.

Just out of interest, who can we expect to see playing? I'm guessing a good chunk of the squad will be reserves, but does anyone reckon that some of the first team will be getting a game? Perhaps the likes of Djebi-Zadi, Foran (as he's suspended) and McBain etc. will all turn out?

I'm not saying he's no good because I'm better at Football Manager! I'm saying I don't rate him because I don't think he's a very good manager - and facts back me up on that. Even here, the way some people go on, you'd think he was Sir Alex Ferguson, but in truth he's not much better than Brewster would be if he was still here. He's a manager who's only gotten jobs due to his name, not his ability. If he wasn't such a big name, would he be ICT manager? No chance. If he didn't talk such a good name, would he be ICT manager? No chance, but feel that these two reasons distort some people's view. And all in all though, the main thing I dislike about Butcher, was that he essentially relegated this club. When he dropped Esson for Fraser for no other reason than his own ego, that was putting himself ahead of the team. And that IMO is unforgivable.

Or in your case, use it as another excuse for some Butcher-Bashing. Where's the clutching at straws smiley? And anyway, saying anything other than Butcher is the greatest thing to happen to world ever, seem to be a crime on here these days. Or is that just when it comes to me?

It almost certainly will be, but the aim of the thread is to put up what you would do, not what you think Butcher will do.

According to yesterday's programme, Golabek and Munro both have suspensions coming up. Will any of these two be out for the next game?

I'd put my house on the likelihood that it'll almost certainly be the same thing/line up again.

I've already had my jab.