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cant say i give a flying one about deveronvale to be honest, ive met their fans in inverness and forres and they seem to want to turn the highland league into a warzone! good for the hl to have a team in 4th though, theyve been lucky with the draw this far but have done well, even they deserve some cash and a day out for getting this far.

cringe!

err... no thanks

crack not too expensive in canada then :017: think when a team is looking to start finding form again and build, they shouldnt be completley altered, id play our best 11 amd change it if theyre good enough. the last thing we need just now is being beat by part timers because we've tinkered with the squad. brown tokely - dods - munro - hastings wilson - duncan - rankin - morgan dargo/wyness - bayne

3 of the team that started that game will start on saturday, im sure he wont need to remind any of them!

back in the rivals.net days the long winded and delibratley poorly written messages were a trademark of mine, i used to wirte in a style that made it near impossible to read the chaff between what i was actually trying to say. ive been hovering around on caleythistleonline.com for near 7 years now, if a perch exists for those who love the sound of their own fingers and being as anal as possible about vaguely related points in a topic, then scimple pimple, i built it! i dont feel as if i have to overstate or repeat points to add page inchs anymore, i dont have to prove myself to anybody here! anyway, with that matter settled without question forever, this topic is about charlie chalk and his ability to put a side onto the park thats going to entertain me but i think we're all long past caring about that. the tit for tat stuff is great though so ill just carry on with that.. first of all im not an enemy of christie, certainly not a natural one at least, theres no reason why i shouldnt support him if i think he's doing a good job and taking us in the right direction. im also not his boyfriend, ive been as objective as i possibly can when approaching how i see his original appointment and refuse to give him blind support until i see evidence on the park we arent going backwards. the reason i am frustrated with him being in charge just now is that we are very close to losing half our squad and being relegated, if not this year then in the next couple. if we do then we face the prospect of being in the first division for years, with that section being a **** of alot stronger than it was when we won it. the difference between myself and the other cc sceptics compared to his supporters is that we can see we arent danny invincible there, nothing makes us anymore special than the other teams in the spl and theres no rule that states we've got years for charlie to work things out. if we play poorly, without motivation and with little sign of improvement on the horizon then thats what will happen. as for robbo and brew, i wasnt a fan of either of them to be honest and saw major tactical problems in both of their styles (also got very embarassed when brew constantly went on about the teams fitness levels). both had excellent playing carears but both have ended up going backwards since leaving the ict dugout, so the easy point to take from that is experience with top players/managers is by no means a prerequisite of a good coaching carear.. its impossble to argue against, but the point i thinks most important about their failures is that neither of them started at the clubs they failed at, they started lower and with less pressure at ict. i think christie shouldve done the same, used the wealth of sfl experience he gained from his playing days and the from working with seasoned spl pros in robertson and brewster, and applied it in a job elsewhere at a lower level. if he can prove himself there then of course he becomes a credible candidate for the ict job. brewster and robbo reached too far too soon and it all ended in sh1te, i fear the same could end up happening to cc and us. except here a poor season is relegation and not merely being in the lower parts of the league, even then there are other excuses that can be made for such a poor show (budget, location, stadium, support base etc the usual suspects). im not n an admirer of fergusons appoach but you cant argue with his success (unless you can?!). i cant see anywhere in his early carear that suggests he ever had a bad time as boss, when at east stirlingshire he didnt even have a keeper and got paid £40 a week. if charlie christie decided he was so desperate to get into club management then id have a **** of alot more respect when talking about him if he went there and managed to improve the team aswell! Anyway, harry chibber replied to me too so i cant be giving you all my attention and im getting bored xx thatll do! also I never pointed out to you because I thought it was too obvious when you listed the other managers names, I was talking about their EARLY carears, when they were cc’s age. as much as i admire Christie for talking a good game in respects to what he wants from the team, he isn’t putting it into place on the park, so i refuse to praise him for wanting to play flowing attractive football yet and neither should you! as i said before i was never a fan of the defensive style craig and john preferred but that was the only way they could see us of picking up points, we nearly finished in the top 6 twice under them and at this stage of the season were playing a lot better. i was never as nervous watching us when we were stronger at the back as i am now, which i hate. we don’t look as fit as we did back then which was the edge we had over other teams at the bottom for a long time. if christie is capable of making us solid and safe while at the same time getting us to play some attractive football then ill back him forever, just because that’s what he wants to do it doesn’t mean we aren’t gash! the next few games could really go either way for us, another poor run will make the season a match between us and whoevers bottom, a few more wins and we’ll be fine. christie can then start getting us playing some smart football, as he says we should!

ah go f##k yourself, i cant be having all this lets agree to disagree mince :001: you were the one who mentioned those 4 managers first, then asked me why i didnt comment on them. seen as you were using them as examples of players who never made the top but went on to do well, i just wanted to disprove any myths that they just 'come from nowhere' to get to where they are now. this is too big a job for christies first as a manager, that was my point, which you actually agreed with yesterday!

point proven, sir

upto you guys to convince me its worth while, not the other way round, im sure ill find a better party elsewhere if the only guests are people who promise too! i know youre joking but honestly it doesnt take a great deal of vision to put together an ict christmas or new year party, especially with the home games we were playing through the period. imagine the banter if something had been arranged for after the rangers game? wouldve been superb, if anybody couldve been bothered organising it. if it was before the st mirren game then tickets couldve been marketed to both sets of fans. its not difficult to get a couple hundred people in a room full of alcohol this time of year if i have to keep doing all the thinking around here then we're all doomed :017:

"You obviously ignored my last post re Wenger etc. who also have not had 15 years experience playing football at the top level... so if they can hack it in, arguably the best league in Europe, then I'm sure CC is at no disadvantage. Yes, the job might have come too early for him but you could easily say that about Robbo and Brew but yet they have not received half as much stick as Chirstie has... " i actually replied to it, robbo and brew were both a success as players and arguably a club of our size was the right first step on their managerial carears, with both expecting to one day go onto better things. christie was hired with the hope that he wouldnt be so easily tempted away as you say, are we really scared of competiion for our manager, wheres the ambition there? check out the experience of the 4 coaches you mentioned earlier and tell me how christies compares, seen as you were the one who brought up their names. -- mourinho early carear from wikipedia- Early years Mourinho's playing career consisted of a few generally unsuccessful spells at small clubs. His clear aptitude was his impressive managing and organisational ability and from an early age he prepared match reports and dossiers for his father's teams. He also has a degree in Physical Education, specialising in sports methodology and worked as a high school coach. After low-key backroom jobs at Estrela da Amadora and his hometown club Vitória de Setúbal in the early 1990s, Mourinho soon earned the nickname Tradutor (translator), when he worked with Sir Bobby Robson as his translator (technically speaking, as an interpreter) at both Sporting Clube de Portugal (Sporting Lisbon) and then F.C. Porto (alias FCP). He then followed Robson to FC Barcelona in 1996 where he learned Catalan. When Robson left for PSV, he stayed at the Catalonia side and worked with Robson's replacement, Dutch coach Louis van Gaal. Mourinho's undoubted confidence and personality helped him get beyond his original role, as he began to participate actively in coaching sessions and management meetings. Eventually, Mourinho coached FC Barcelona B. -- cant argue with the names and teams he worked with there, he also started his managerial carear at barcelona B before moving back to protugal to manage 3 clubs, impossible to compare the carears of jose and charlie. charlies spent only a short time of his whole carear involved with top flight football at celtic then briefly as a member of the backroom staff once we got promoted, everythign else was diddy league fergusons playing and early carear- Playing career Ferguson grew up in Govan and supported Rangers. He began as an amateur at Queen's Park, making his debut at 16 as a striker. He described his first match as a "nightmare"[1] but scored Queen's Park's goal in a 2-1 defeat against Stranraer. As Queen's Park were an amateur team he also worked in the Clyde shipyards as an apprentice tool-worker, where he became an active trade union shop steward. Although he scored 15 goals in his 31 games for Queen's Park, he could not command a regular place in the side and moved to St Johnstone in 1960. He continued to score regularly at St Johnstone, he was still unable to command a regular place and regularly requested transfers. Although he was out of favour at the club, their failure to sign a forward led the manager to select Ferguson for a match against Rangers, in which he scored a hat trick in a surprise victory. Dunfermline signed him the following summer (1964), and Ferguson became a full-time professional footballer. The following season (1964-65), Dunfermline were strong challengers for the Scottish League and reached the Scottish Cup Final, but Ferguson was dropped for the final after a poor performance in a league game against St Johnstone. Dunfermline lost the final 3-2 to Celtic, then failed to win the League by one point. In 1967, he joined Rangers for £65,000, then a record fee for a transfer between two Scottish clubs. He was blamed for a goal that they conceded in the 1969 Scottish cup final,[2] and was forced to play for the club's junior side instead of the first team.[3] According to his brother, Ferguson was so upset by the experience that he threw his losers' medal away.[4] His time at Rangers was also marred due to discrimination he suffered after his marriage to his wife Cathie, who was a Catholic.[5] The following October, Nottingham Forest wanted to sign Ferguson,[6] but his wife was not keen on moving to England at that time so he went to Falkirk instead. He was promoted to player-coach there, but when John Prentice became manager he removed Ferguson's coaching responsiblities. Ferguson responded by requesting a transfer and moved to Ayr United, where he finished his playing career. Early managerial career East Stirlingshire In June 1974, Ferguson was appointed manager of East Stirlingshire, at the comparatively young age of 32. It was a part-time job that paid £40 per week, and the club didn't have a single goalkeeper at the time.[7] He immediately gained a reputation as a disciplinarian, with one of his players later saying he had "never been afraid of anyone before but Ferguson was a frightening ******* from the start." His players admired his tactical decisions, however, and the club's results improved considerably. The following October, Ferguson was invited to manage St. Mirren. Although they were below East Stirlingshire in the league, they were a bigger club and although Ferguson felt a degree of loyalty towards East Stirlingshire, he decided to join St. Mirren after taking advice from Jock Stein.[8] St Mirren Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974-1978. Despite having to look after the team with a small budget, he was able to achieve promotion for the side to the Scottish First division in 1977. However, due to a dispute with the club's chairman, Ferguson wanted to make significant changes to St. Mirren e.g. change the clubs famous black and white kit to a new one, he was sacked the following year for "unpardonable swearing at a lady on club premises"[9] and was not able to claim wrongful dismissal against the club at an industrial tribunal. St Mirren were the only club ever to sack Sir Alex Ferguson. It is rumoured that Ferguson had already agreed to join Aberdeen before his dispute with St Mirren, a rumour which probably had a good deal to do with his failure to claim wrongful dismissal. -- cant argue with his playing carear to be honest, one time record transfer in scotland and spent plenty of time at big clubs working with the biggest names in football at the time, not graeme bennet and steve patterson! he also started his managerial carear at east stirling, who were at the time actually ahead of st mirren, his next club! started at the bottom as botha player and manager, christie hasnt. -- benitiez Early career Second Division Player Benítez was a product of the Real Madrid cantera, joining the club as a youth in 1974. He progressed through the ranks, eventually playing for Castilla CF, the Real reserve team, in the Segunda División. He also enrolled as a student at INEF, the sports faculty at Universidad Politécnica de Madrid. In 1979 he played five times for the Spain Universities XI at the World Student Games in Mexico City and in 1982 he obtained a degree in Physical Education. In 1981 he joined Tercera División side AD Parla, helping them gain promotion to Segunda División B. He also continued to play for AD Parla until 1985 when he signed for Segunda División B club Linares CF. A thyroid injury saw him miss almost the entire 1985/86 season and he subsequently retired as a player. Real Madrid coach In 1986 he joined the Real Madrid coaching staff and gained experience with various Real junior teams. In 1987 and 1989 he won two league titles with Castilla B and won a third league title with Real Madrid Youth B in 1990. He then became coach of Real Madrid U-19 team, winning the Spain U-19 Cup in 1991 and the cup and league double in 1993. While at Real, Benítez gained his coaching certificate in 1989 and in the summer of 1990 he taught at a football camp at UC Davis in California. Between 1993 and 1995, he coached Real Madrid B in the Segunda División and he briefly worked as assistant manager to Vicente Del Bosque. Promotion specialist His first attempts at senior management away from the Real Madrid fold were less than successful. Benítez was appointed manager of Real Valladolid for the 1995/96 season but was sacked after only two wins in 23 games with the club bottom of the Primera División. During the 1996/97 season, Benítez took charge at CA Osasuna in the Segunda División but after only 9 games and one win he was sacked. In 1997, he joined another Segunda División side, CF Extremadura and this time led them to promotion, finishing second in the table behind Deportivo Alavés, after winning 23 out of 42 games. CF Extremadura only survived one season in Primera División, however, and were relegated in 1999 after finishing seventeenth and losing a play-off to Villarreal CF. Benítez subsequently quit CF Extremadura and took a year out studying at Manchester United, Arsenal and in Italy. He also worked as a commentator/analyst for Eurosport, Marca, El Mundo and local Madrid TV. In 2000 he was appointed manager of CD Tenerife of the Segunda División and with a team that included Mista, Curro Torres and Luis García, he gained promotion to La Liga. CD Tenerife finished third in the table behind Sevilla FC and Real Betis. -- granted no success as a player, but obvious ability as a coach backed up with a **** of alot of experience from college and from the proffessional game. he spent 10 years behind the scenes at real madrid before finding a club in la liga, who he then got relegated! chrsite again spent little time of any use at celtic and very little time invovled (in some way or another) in the top league before taking over with us. -- wenger Playing career Wenger's playing career was relatively inauspicious. He began playing amateur football as a defender or sweeper for various minor French clubs, while at the same time studying at the Robert Schuman University, where he completed a master's degree in Economics in 1974. Wenger turned professional in 1978, signing for RC Strasbourg, and making his debut against Monaco. Although Strasbourg won the French league in 1979, Wenger did not feature prominently in the team, playing only three times. In 1981, he obtained a manager's diploma and was appointed the coach of the Strasbourg youth team. Managerial career After an unsuccessful spell at Nancy, Wenger's managerial career took off when he became the manager of AS Monaco in 1987. He was initially successful with the club, winning the league in 1988 and the French Cup in 1991, and signing high-calibre players such as Glenn Hoddle, George Weah and Jürgen Klinsmann. However, he was sacked in 1994 after Monaco finished ninth in the league. Wenger, who had refused an earlier proposal by Bayern Munich and the France national team out of loyalty for Monaco,[3] moved on to a successful 18-month stint with the Japanese J. League team Nagoya Grampus Eight, with whom he won the prestigious Emperor's Cup, also helping the club emerge from the bottom three to a runners-up position in the J. League.[3] -- probably the exception to the rule that successful managers all start at the bottom, but the suggestion that christie is capable of becoming wenger is almsot laughable and screams of clutching at straws

good player and one id love to have at ict but hardly a replacement for dargo, he's too similar to bayne

charlie doesnt have enough experience because he couldnt hack the top league as a player chibber, it cant be argued against, no amount of hanging around as part of the backroom staff can give you what 15 years of playing experience can. there were questions on here about why he was still employed at the club as the raffle manager or even a coach under brewster, nevermind as boss, was he really that much of a 'legend' that he deserves a job for life? surely we're at a stage in our existence now where that kind of thinkings ridiculous? if he wasnt employed by us his status in our history would be in no way lost, no other club hangs onto their past by literally hanging onto their past! do you agree that the top jobs come too soon for him at least? thats what i said in my last post, theres no way he couldve made a stronger application than the rest of the condidates from an objective point of view. we went for what was considered the safe option in terms off other clubs poaching him and bennet/the board were too bliase about the prospect of relegation in considering his appointment why do you support him so much anyway, youve never actually said!

aye they really missed him

wasnt there today but i was in falkirk :014: check the date i posted mate!

noticed over the past few weeks youve been banging on about us getting new wingbacks, roscoe has obvious fitness issues but is far more than capable (in the bobby mann mould, plenty of ability but no athleticism, except without the attitude probs!) of doing a job for us when on his game and hastings i have always commented upon as one of our best players. personally, i rate him as the fittest, strongest and easily the most techniquically gifted player in the first team squad at the moment, with rankin and black next in the list. i honestly think we could play him anywhere and he'd be good enough, i know some wont agree, but i personally think hes superb. ill write a bit more about his game and what he gives us in terms of our overall structure and creativity but id seriously love to know how you think we could do better than him at left back. explaination needs to have at least one point i agree with to be taken seriously! yes im picking on you

as i said he should be capable, what i didnt say was that he shouldve been as a player aswell but it didnt work out. if rankin, black, dargo, dods were playing in the lower divisions at the level christie did while in the professional leagues then we can all imagine the impact that theyd have. those players id say are much better than he ever was as a player, thats not to say he shouldnt be able to coach them well, my point was more that theyve got more experience at there age than christie ever did in his whole carear. as for wenger, mourinho, ferguson, benitez etc theres no garuntee that they could cut it in the spl, paul le guen has the cv of a top young european manager behind him and hes been dropping points to everybody and has put an absolute shambles of a team together. all of those managers have had a **** of alot of experience at the top level in their countries as players and coaches, just because they were never ronaldinhos or zidane it doesnt mean they didnt learn the game from the top. christie hasnt ever. ive actually got confidence he could become a good manager someday but he shouldve started at the bottom, he should be at peterhead, elgin or the highland league just now, the ict job has come far too soon for him. robertson and brewster spent their working lives in the top flight and learnt everything from dealing with transfers, contracts, coaching, preparing yourself for big/small games and everything that goes with being involved with a decent sized club, all from the dressing room. when charlie was the age that robertson first starting scoring in the premier division he was playing against players who were half p1shed most of the time and had team talks over fish suppers in the pub. the ict dugour isnt a bloody school, certainly not anymore now we're in the spl. his time at celtic just wasnt enough for him, if he couldnt hack it there he shouldve tried to get himself in with another league club. as much as he has matured since that time the profile of a guy with the world at his feet but blows it all to move home as a younger guy isnt who you want in charge. could you imagine if the likes of say macaffery or parrat decided they were homesick and admitted defeat to having spl carears and ended up playing for a junior side? youd be happy for them to go and you definitley wouldnt put them in charge of a team struggling to find a place in the top flight no matter how much theyd changed. just think his appointment was a mistake, the first the boards made, putting parkie in next to him was a mistake aswell as he doesnt have a comanding presence at all. i think we'll get away with it this season but with the potential for a strong first division team coming up increasing over the next 3-4 season we really need to be thinking ahead

if that was the case then falkirk would be challenging at the top of the league, as our back line is comparable to that of most of the division. the sad fact is we've been poor defensively against dundee united, kilmarnock and hibs recently (off the top of my head) and have been showing signs of weakness for a while against everybody. its too easy to say the players just arent good enough to deal with stokes/latapy on an individual basis but they have dealt with better players than them in the past together. so i dont think you can blame todays goals on each of their weaknesses but rather their collective sh1teness. if that makes any sense :015:

enjoy it wherever you are. i know the supporters club/trust people arent exactly the greatest party planners in the worls but surely something shouldve been organised for the 31st, crazy how easy it wouldve been to make money in it. nevermind, happy new year

first thing i picked up on today was that we brought the quietest support ive ever seen for an ict game, ive been going to away games since the division 2 games and can honestly say todays was the quietest. 10/10 for the 4 guys who tried to get some kind of banter going though the game.... we were shocking, we didnt look interested at all, the lack of fitness or motivation after wednesdays late winner was there for all to see. its disapointing (yet excusable) to see players under perform sometimes, but when the entire team does its a real worry. even the usual dependable numbers like brown or munro were at fault today, mark especially looked like he couldve done more for all three goals falkirk are awful, truely awful, i can see why some of their fans want yogi out now as the result was completley reliant on stokes ability to outrun our disinterested center backs at crucial times. everything else the rest of their team attempted was embarrassing to watch, at one point twaddle even cleared the ball of OUR goal line when he looked certain to make it 4. dont be fooled into thinking 3-1 isnt so bad a result in the grander scheme of things, as we are a **** of alot better than them and this was a disaster all round. if they were any good we wouldve lost 6 or 7 goals as was mentioned earlier. we never used to get humped by anybody, if we did lose it was always by 1 goal and we'd be on the scoresheet ourselves, now we're getting torn new ar$eholes on a regular basis.* * before somebody asks me to point to exactly where we're getting 'torn new ar$eholes' in terms of results, then i guess we arent yet but its coming. we play a **** of alot of games now where we never look like we're capable of winning (or even competing) and today was just the latest, they might aswell of beat us 7-1 as that wouldve reflected how poor we were. as it happens 3-1 is more a reflection on their own inadiquacies than ours, bizarrely

just read that all back and i know im going to take some stick for writing this, sadly i think its all true. couldnae do it as a player and probably never will as the boss... i hope im not being too harsh on the guy, although maybe he'll say he can handle it himself, if he couldnt then hes in the wrong job

its upto the manager to focus players after big efforts like coming from 1-0 down against rangers, if we had appointed somebody more experienced than christie then maybe it wouldnt be an issue, but we didnt and he have to live with it now. every manager thats taken over our club has done so at times of transition on and off the park, christies been the first whose jobs its been to stablise things, which is really a job for somebody with alot more experience at the top level. despite his 'legend' status amongst older ict fans its important to remember that hes never actually played at the top level for any length of time. compare him as a player for ict a few years ago to the likes of black or rankin now, these guys have got a **** of alot more ability than him and are proving it at a level he couldnt hack it at. ..................my point being that in years to come winning a game against rangers 2-1 to these guys wont be such an 'extraordinary achievment for a club like inverness' as it is to christie. if they were coaching a side that had ended a poor run by beating the gers then theyd know exactly how to prepare them for their next match having now had experience christie never gained. to me christie is a naive small town boy thats struggling to come to grips with the top league and compete, perform and learn consistantly at a level he really should be capable of, very much like he struggled to do as a player.

rankin on the right, with a central midfielder who can take over for him when needed would be lethal i reckon, if executed properly. rankin cutting inside and hart switching right, it wouldnt matter that tokely cant run anymore he could just sit back

good to know cc's listening re rankin but having a stronger central midfielder beside black than macbain is pretty important, we were a mess today.

spoke to a guy back home about this (works for the rbs) and that situation happens on average about 20 times a year! he says it sounds like a simple case of some monkey putting 20's in the 10's slot but also said its unusal that it would go unreported long enough for a crowd of hundreds to get involved. the rbs will only persue their own customers who abused the machine and in the event an account takking hundreds they might get the police involved. the last word on it from the man in the know is that theyre insured to the nadsacks against these kinds of mistakes and at worst only lost between 2-3k from the atm, which is less than the cost of retrieving the money. all that i hope is the case! unless they actually want there £30 back, which will be fine too. its just a shame i didnt spend the money on something more worthwhile.

who cares how much it costs, there was an atm on northbridge tonight (edinburgh) giving out £20 notes instead of £10's, somebody obviously filled the thing wrong. a couple of mates and myself found a women who kept checking her balance, couldnt figure out what she was doing, she told us she got £60 for a £30 withdrawl. had a go myself and hooray, return train and match ticket for tomorrow paid for. didnt want to overdo it, even though im not a royal bank customer and theres virtually zip chance of them getting the money back (there mustve been about 300 people queing (+few fights) an hour later when we went past again!), its still robbing 'em. two of the people i was with went a bit mental with it but they can do whatever they want, a **** of alot of people wouldve taken advantage. at least they gave £20 to a homeless guy sitting next to the machine and i bought him fags. actually one of the funniest things ive seen in a long long time was the same begger about an hour later, he mustve had about three hundred quid in his hand