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Any idea number of games each was in charge for? Butcher - 11 league games Malpas - 1 league game Shearer - 2 league games Hughes - 21 league games Cup Games Butcher - 2 games, 2 wins Shearer - 1 game, 1 win Hughes - 5 games, 2 wins and a draw Thanks much appreciated

Any idea number of games each was in charge for?

Really??? You think we are in the top six because of what Hughes has done? Of course I am not blaming Tansey for our poor form but we haven't been exactly brilliant since he came back. And finally you are away of the mark if you think my concern about the management is down to "one bad result"

Scarlet, people are being "negative" as you put it because they are concerned, I can only speak for myself when I say there is nothing I would like more than Hughes to succeed but I have not seen much so far make me think that he will. Another point I would like to raise with you is just because a member of this forum has made a large number of posts doesn't make his posts any more valid or indeed mean he is any more/less concerned than a poster with one post.

It was +10 Thanks for that, I suppose that is the effect to the 2 Celtic games

Does anyone have the stats of what our goal difference was when Hughes took over, I think it may have been quite healthy although I could be wrong.. at present its -1 the worst in the top 6

Have a look at Celtic's results over the past few months http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic/results What am I looking for. I see quite a few 3-0's, 4-0's and 5-0's. Over that I also see many clean sheets. And therein lies a problem. Yes there are games where teams, including ourselves, have scored against them but these are few and far between. 55 games and 31 clean sheets. They are hard to break down and frustrate opponents to the point where heads go down. I ask myself, had we gone in 1-0 at half time what would the outcome have been?m Had we not given away a penalty a few minutes into the second half what would the result have been. Alex for me the problem is he didn't seem to learn from the last time we played Celtic. There are many what could the outcome have been if this or that happened, its the same in every game fact is we were lucky it was only 5. We have gone from being a team that Celtic used to hate playing to one they must wish they were playing every week

Thanks CaleyD I thought there must if been a reasonable explanation

Did you not hear his interview he had a good game plan....he makes Brewster look like a tactical genius

You are a lucky man George...I am filled with dread at where this man is taking our team Board must take its share of the blame -even the interview process was a shambles -I fear there's worse to come next season - I'm a firm believer you must strengthen after every campaign and what yogi has just now just ain't going to do it - the question remains how did these players turn so bad after butcher left -incredible !! George my apologise I thought your initial post read "I believe" rather than I believe you were warned

In the interview Hughes said we had a good game plan.....deluded

You are a lucky man George...I am filled with dread at where this man is taking our team

I thought I was seeing things when I seen the bench, like you say an ideal time to give youngsters a chance to experience match day.

Meant the heading to be lack of "players" not "player" but to daft to know how to change it

I was totally astonished to see we only had 4 players on the bench today. I know we have some injuries but surely we could muster a full bench with youngsters. Does anybody know if there was a valid reason for this.

I `think one of the worst shouts in football is "who would replace him" nobody is irreplaceable and you don't stick with a dud because you think there is nobody to replace him

The worst thing is I expected this today, and I don't mean a defeat as that is understandable but a total hammering

A shamble from start to finish...sorry but the man doesn't have a clue

If it wasn't for Brill could be 4 or 5 down this half

Dreadful game, agree we made the best of the chances but both sides were fairly poor. I also thought Billy worked hard and was unlucky not to get on the scoresheet. I didn't hold out much hope of reaching Europe before the game so not that disappointed with the draw.

Gorgeous that is, would love something like that! I don't know why but when I see that strip I just think Rangers

No worries Davie

If that's aimed at me, then you couldn't be further from the truth. I may not be so publicly critical of the club as I once was, but there's reason for that and it has nothing to do with becoming "cosy". There's two main reasons for it.....firstly, having people at the club who are willing to directly listen and take on board the views of the fans....and secondly, in allowing me to do what I do for the club there is the need for an element of trust (from both sides). I trust that if I raise a matter with the chairman he will give it due consideration and he trusts that I won't abuse the access and information that's made available to me and which allows me to improve communication with fans. I receive no salary and am not an employee of the club. There is no contractual obligation for me to refrain from being critical of anything...and I am critical when I see need. I'm pretty sure if you spoke to Kenny Cameron he would attest to the fact that I can be as big a pain in the ass now as I've always been when I get my dander up over something....I just don't see the need/benefit in doing that on a public forum when I can speak to the man direct. I would also add that anyone could phone up and ask for an appointment with the Chairman if they have an issue they wanted to discuss and it would be welcomed....just not this week as he's away for a few days. It wasn't just aimed at yourself but more those involved in CJT at the higher level, I have never seen one of them on here once expressing a worry about the way things are going under Yogi, perhaps its a coincidence and they are all happy and have no concerns going forward. I would question your reply about how you don't need to post on here if you are not happy with things yet will have a dig at fans that do have concerns. There is not much point in coming on a forum unless you put your views across.I hope you can understand that why this is as seen as just defending the club because you have relationship when as you explained this is not the case. I do not want this to be seen as a dig at CJT who I think are doing a remarkable job, however they like us are just fans and there is no real point on coming on a forum unless an honest opinion is put across or in my view that opinion losses credibility. Just to be clear. I have not been a CJT Board Member for about 7 or 8 months now. They need to updated their website then

If that's aimed at me, then you couldn't be further from the truth. I may not be so publicly critical of the club as I once was, but there's reason for that and it has nothing to do with becoming "cosy". There's two main reasons for it.....firstly, having people at the club who are willing to directly listen and take on board the views of the fans....and secondly, in allowing me to do what I do for the club there is the need for an element of trust (from both sides). I trust that if I raise a matter with the chairman he will give it due consideration and he trusts that I won't abuse the access and information that's made available to me and which allows me to improve communication with fans. I receive no salary and am not an employee of the club. There is no contractual obligation for me to refrain from being critical of anything...and I am critical when I see need. I'm pretty sure if you spoke to Kenny Cameron he would attest to the fact that I can be as big a pain in the ass now as I've always been when I get my dander up over something....I just don't see the need/benefit in doing that on a public forum when I can speak to the man direct. I would also add that anyone could phone up and ask for an appointment with the Chairman if they have an issue they wanted to discuss and it would be welcomed....just not this week as he's away for a few days. It wasn't just aimed at yourself but more those involved in CJT at the higher level, I have never seen one of them on here once expressing a worry about the way things are going under Yogi, perhaps its a coincidence and they are all happy and have no concerns going forward. I would question your reply about how you don't need to post on here if you are not happy with things yet will have a dig at fans that do have concerns. There is not much point in coming on a forum unless you put your views across.I hope you can understand that why this is as seen as just defending the club because you have relationship when as you explained this is not the case. I do not want this to be seen as a dig at CJT who I think are doing a remarkable job, however they like us are just fans and there is no real point on coming on a forum unless an honest opinion is put across or in my view that opinion losses credibility. Just to be clear. I have not been a CJT Board Member for about 7 or 8 months now. I think my views on Hughes are well documented on here and elsewhere, but in summary....I believe that there are far too many factors outwith his (and the clubs) control which have contributed to us not getting the results/performances we might have hoped for. I also draw comparisons to previous seasons when results/performances at this time of year have been much the same or worse. I like what he is trying to do with the team/squad. I like the fact that talented young players are being given a real opportunity. I'm heartened by the fact that players are invested in his vision for where he wants to take things. I'm encouraged by his willingness and ability to actively change things when it's not going right. I share the players belief in him...this is not only evidenced in interviews they give to the press bu by their actions in signing extended contracts etc. Do I like losing games? No. Do I have any immediate concerns about Hughes as a Manager? No. Do I buy into the theory that just because things aren't going our way then we need a fall guy? No. Do I think it would have been any different under TB or any other manager? No. It's human nature to want to attach definite cause to any effect. I choose to look at the wider picture and take all aspects of the situation into account whilst others, IMO, seem to be solely focused on a single element...the manager. There's really no arguing with many of these people, especially when they choose to ignore the possibility of alternative causes, dismiss counter arguments by claiming stuff being said is toeing the party line or lies, accuse those of making the arguments as being in some kind of cosy situation with the club or being somehow beholden to be non critical. You might argue that in refusing to accept an argument which points the finger of blame squarely at the manager then I am doing the same thing. I don't think so. I acknowledge that some people have that view and whilst I have dismissed it, I believe I have done so with reasoned argument based on all the information to hand. I only hope you are right I am curious as to what those alternative causes are and how they came about so quickly after TBs departure when we were sitting 2nd in the league?

Davie Thanks you kindly for you reply. I haven't suggested that CJT should go to the board about Hughes at this stage, as I also don't think its something that should be done at this stage and hopefully will never get to that stage. My main gripe was that if members of the CJT board are not prepared to give an honest opinion on concerns they may have about Hughes management then they shouldn't be criticising those that do. I also said previously that perhaps it is just a coincidence that CJT have no concerns but that would surprise me as a large majority of ICT fans that I speak to are concerned