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The other way to look at it was if we hadn’t conceded a goal in last 5 mins then we would have left with 1 point . Says a lot that their keeper was man of match so to keep blaming missed chances when it was tremendous saves from Fox especially the ones from Walsh and White that helped them win. 11 players on the park it’s a team game and the team lost unfortunately. Happy New Year everyone

Not true we need two on the park at same time White has scored seven in seven starts should be starting all the time with one other and should be tried playing with Oakley as we haven’t started any game out of twenty five with this pairing. What would be the harm in giving it a go What we need is a player who can put a decent cross int the box that gets past the first defender as far too often this doesn’t happen but look what happened when it did from Walsh corner White met it so well and scored an excellent goal which most on here seem to forget that it was a cracking finish. Wish the fans would get behind the guy and give him the vocal support he deserves or are we going to moan if he moves and does it elsewhere. Confidence is everything for Strikers and chopping and changing does nothing for confidence , it’s starting games that count and the bigman whilst did have some poor touches on Saturday but all in all led the line well and scored an excellent goal Also I think it was him who had the diving header that was shown in County highlights, it was an incredible save by the keeper. Some other posters have said said that it would be good for midfielders to get on the goals too but it just seems to be that its White who gets the majority blame for a perceived lack of goals. Some joker even said he only gets taps ins , that’s what a good number 9 does , as he is where the ball should be placed for the tap ins.Listened to Pat Bonner on radio the other day and he said strikers need good balls into box . It really is time to take the White hating glasses off and give the lad support like we do Coll Donaldson as the support to Coll is fantastic but don’t we all think that if we supported White like that it may help as surely as a supporter that is what we should go to games to do rather than be critics.

Been saying for weeks we need to play with two strikers All our strikers have decent goals to starts ratios but our problem we only play one of them at a time listened to the County manager at end of game interview and he had four strikers on at end of game as in his words he needed offensive players on the park as they are more likely to get a goal, we only changed when we lost a goal at 87 mins

Are you for real mate you come to the conclusion we need to bin White Were you at the game or are you just sitting in the house making things up?

Well White has scored 7 goals in his last 7 starts Dont think Ronaldo or Messi fancy Inverness Is it not time to cut the bigman some slack and get behind him

What u bored with

Well just watched the Rangers game on TV and when they switched to the 90s style 442 changed the game dramatically just liked we did against Queens when going two up. 2 up top is definitely the way to go in Scottish football imo.

Muirtown Jaggie it looked a 4231 to me and it’s was great to get the win but still think we sit in and allow the opposition to dominate play at times Granted Robbo wasn’t going to change to two up as it doesn’t seem to be his way especially after we went two goals up. Still convinced if we were more aggressive and play more offensive with two strikers we would win more games convingly. The stats for strikers as you were asking now is White 13 starts 8 goals (ratio 1.62 ) Austin 7 starts 4 goals ( ratio 1.75 ) Oakley 11 starts 5 goals ( ratio 2.2) All decent stats and thought although neither striker scored today they both played well imo Also thought Trafford did well when he came on too and put himself about well too. Ridgers once again has to be congratulated as he certainly played his part in getting the victory. We don’t make it easy for ourselves and missing the penalty really didn’t help when we could have buried them as they had just got a man sent off and I feel Morton heads would have gone down just before half time. Walsh and Doran did well in an attacking sense but feel we need an out and out left sided player like Calder to deliver balls into box from that side of pitch .Polworth had a mixed day and I watched more closely as others have said he gives up at times and that’s exactly what happened as he was in and out of the game and his slackness cost us the goal however he created one for us too so that was good. Looking forward to next week now as I feel we can go there with some confidence.

You think White and Austin who have the best stats at the club wouldn’t get it done with a partner. thats it settled then ?

Thanks for pointing that out Stan as I had missed one of the wins and have updated the stats accordingly. However we also won two of those three games against Partick who at the time of us playing them have been one of the poorer teams in the league. Fact remains we have only won 4 games out of 15 starting with 1 striker against Partick twice ,Dunfermline and Edinburgh City who are also part time. We have won 4 games with 2 starting in only 8 games instead of 15 against Falkirk, Raith and two teams who are part time in Cowdenbeath and Cove Rangers. Certainly think there is merit in considering trying two strikers for the next 7 games and then we could get a like for like comparison of 15 games with each system, we would only need to win 1 game out of the 7 to be an improvment in win ratios, surely thats worth taking a chance on.

its incredible when you look at the stats you see the possible answer to our problems of lack of wins staring us in the face. We have played 23 games so far this season The stats tell us that if we start with two strikers from the start then we give ourselves nearly 2 times more chance to win games than playing with only one striker. As you can see below we have have only won four games from fifteen starting with one up top , but have won four games out of eight when starting with two up top.Add into the mix getting a draw at Dumfries clawing back three goals in the last twenty minutes by going two up. It is certainly the more attacking way to play. We only lose the same % of games but have 30% less draws which sicken us all. We started the season playing with two up for the first five games and won 4 out of 5 games only getting beat by Hearts when we played one up top. However as they say in investment terms past performance is no guarantee of future performance, but surely trying this formation again is worth the risk.

Copy and paste from twitter sorry

On Saturday, footage was shared on social media, showing conduct unbefitting of Inverness Caledonian Thistle. The club takes this matter incredibly seriously. Following a full investigation into these events, the Club has taken appropriate disciplinary action and reminded the team of their responsibilities to supporters, the community and the authorities. The Club will not be making any further comment on this matter.

Hope all continues to go well for you Scotty

I’ve come through the conclusion that you don’t like White ?has he stolen your girlfriend or something ? I reckon if he scores 20 goals this season and is our top scorer you still would like him.

Ok so we all think we need to play Polly and to play in his most effective position which is central mid. We all agree we need to win games and our current formation of 4231 isn’t winning is enough games We have 3 Strikers who have good ratios and it’s my view that we need to accommodate more strikers on the field of play to give us a greater chance of getting more goals and therefore winning games So if Polly and one other can’t be trusted in midfield as in you words ‘teams would play through us’ we need 3 in the middle but we also need two up top so that leaves another suggestion of playing to our strengths like Livingston do and employ a 352 Of the players available we could have McCart Donaldson and Brad who could play in a 3 central combination Rooney who most feel is better going forward than defending on right side with Walsh on the other side Centre 3 from Polly Welsh Chalmers Doran and Trafford Up Top 2 from White Oakley and Austin Livi play to their strengths maybe it’s time we do too, get the two strikers starting get the ball wide get the ball into the box and give it a go, can’t keep saying we haven’t got the strikers as the stats prove otherwise . We need wins we won’t win without goals and the players to get us goals are the strikers. What is certainly obvious is by playing only one striker we are not winning enough games .Keeping a striker on the bench who has scored 6 goals in his last 6 starts and continue to play 5 midfielders instead of him isn’t working. A tweak is all that’s needed two up top instead of one is the change that’s required but we need to keep Polly in the middle as on the wing he is a man down. We need to be bold recognise where we are and play to the strengths of the players we have just like Livingston Not doing them much harm is it.

Shankland is having an incredible season but my point is that Oakley and White have only 3 strikers ahead of them in ratio of goals to starts. I think if asked most fans if you could have two strikers who would score around 1 goal every 2 starts then they would be very happy, my point is we have these strikers in Oakley and White and if we play them together we may get more goals. If White and Oakley had started the same total number of games as Shankland and Dobbie which is 23 then given the ratio White wouuld be on 14 goals with Oakley on 11 which is more than decent halfway through a season.

He has scored 99 goals in his career so i will stick by what ive said and seen mate but you carry on and have your own view.

Some of our players come in for abuse and are overly criticised at times namely Polworth and the strikers. A different way to look at this we have three centre forwards who have some of the best conversion ratios in start/goals in the championship , Polworth does get assists and is a decent player, but so are the strikers their goals ratio to starts would back that up, but I think we would get more from Polworth and more goals if we played two up top together.One of the best games Polworth had was when we changed to 442 after being three goals down to Queens away and pulled back to draw in last twenty minutes of game.Polworth got the space in middle of park to drive forward as we played with width, stretched the game, and defenders had two forwards to contend with and space opened up. I personally think the formation is stifling Polworth with 3 in the middle and we would get so much more goal opportunities with having two forwards on from the start.In thinking all of this i looked at the stats of our strikers compared to their peers in the Championship and looked at our midfield to front players stats in their time with the club. In my mind 4231 is not getting us the wins we need , so surely when we have three of the best strikers in the league at least maybe the manager should try them as a pairing to get more goals. In all competitions this season White 13 starts 8 goals ratio of 1.62 only Shankland Dobbie and McKay have better ratios of top 25 goalscorers from Championship Austin 7 starts 4 goals ratio of 1.75 only Shankland Dobbie McKay and White have better ratios Oakley 10 starts 5 goals ratio of 2 only Shankland Dobbie McKay White and Trouten have better ratios If you take league games only Shankland Dobbie and Mckay have better ratios than both Oakley and White, thats why I get annoyed when the strikers are constantly criticised as these two guys are decent players. We play five midfielders every week out of six and only play one forward out of 3. Have a look at stats below which is all games started for the club and goals scored, maybe this is why we dont score enough goals, we are not giving enough starts to the players who will get the goals by only playing 1 forward every game. Actually we dont play Austin at all now and he has marginally the best ratio of all players. I understand the strikers should have the better ratios but to play five midfielders and only one striker is not helping our quest for goals. player starts goals ratio % chance of scoring AUSTIN 16 10 1.6 62% WHITE 13 8 1.62 61% OAKLEY 39 17 2.29 43% WALSH 21 7 3 33% DORAN 148 28 5.28 19% WELSH 16 3 5.33 19% POLWORTH 147 16 9.18 11% CHALMERS 63 5 12.6 8% Trafford has started 32 games and yet to score, Vigurs on the other hand in his last spell with us here started 106 games scoring 21 goals ratio of 5.04 which relates to 20% chance of scoring a goal when starting. I think its fair to say we miss him as he brings a bigger goal threat than all other midfielders apart from Tom Walsh. Some people dont like stats and say you can use them to prove anything, but surely they give a little insight as to why we may be hampering our chances of scoring the goals we need to win games Maybe this could be the time for the manager to at least try something different and give two lads out of three an opportunity to start some games together for the benefit of all 4 players including Polworth and the club .If we dont try we wont know if a partnership of Oakley and White would work ,Robbo hasnt tried these two as a starting pairing all season, maybe now is the time. Maybe we have the answer in front of us just by tweaking things and changing formation to 442

thanks mate no problem, but I do enjoy a discussion and its good to get others pov.

Can i just ask 2 questions as you quoted my post and then said in summary there is a broad stripe of low grade sectarianism voiced here Are you accussing me of sectarianism? What do you think should happen to the player who said the offensive words?

What I find bizarre is that in saying you have no difficulty with folk who have faith, you have a wee dig at God refering to him as she. so maybe think you do have a difficulty with it actually. However I do 100% agree with you that christians dont have monolopy in deceny morality and respect for others, we are only human afer all.

See here is a wee thing I could find what you have said to a fellow fan , saying what he believes as nonsense,more offensive than what was said on the team bus However I wouldn’t want you sacked for it or disciplined by your employers for it. Im not a RC but I’m a Christian and I do understand that RCs may find the term FTP offensive but as Christians we have to turn the other cheek as Christ taught us. What annoys me is the faux outrage that goes on today as we live in a blame culture and there is always some do gooder wanting someone to be punished for minor issues. Maybe if we adopted what Jesus said when he caught a women in adultery He said to all the accusers who wanted her punished He who is without sin cast the first stone Maybe we should all think about this before we criticise Anyway Kingsmills I have no problem with you thinking I’m stupid for having a faith in God and I wish you and your family a very happy Christmas and a great new year.

Have to agree the team went on a night out sang songs which some now want to deem religious hate crimes. It appeared to me that the lads were all having a good time and it was a bonding session , whilst I think it was unwise to use the term used it certainly wasn’t religious hate. I’m sure these guys all see this as banter but it should be pointed out to them in future that this would be well steered clear of and also to point out to stop taking videos and posting online . We are all getting in a froth in this country about a harmless night out while our government are banning Gingerbread men Whole country has gone to the dogs and needs to get a grip on reality

Maybe if we played two strikers out of 3 who all have good scoring ratio at the club up top together we may have a good chance of goals it’s quite simple other teams play two up have a look at Ayr two up every game Ive advocated 352 but would go with 442 also but it would mean Robbo having to choose who to leave out of team betweeen Doran Polworth Welsh and Chalmers and for some reason he wants to play them all but leave players on the bench who would actually get him goals Most blame the strikers but in fact we have 3 decent strikers but the managers continual 4231 formation is not working and we we need to change it if we want to start winning games