At least they've recognised and accepted failure down in Engandshire - their underperforming, overpaid superstars have been suitably castigated and now Stevie boy's out on his ear....

Meanwhile here in Caledonia, after defeat at home by Italy, our lads do a lap of honour, and Big Eck's hailed as the greatest manager we've had since Jock Stein...

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what are you trying to say johnboy?

that we should be ashamed of coming 3rd in the worst group??

name a better manager of scotland since jock stein then??

we should all be very proud of what the boys did in the campain and england should be like they are being because they had an easy group and they don't deserve to be so full of themselves.when was the last time they beat a team higher than them in the rankings?when did we?ooh about 2months ago!france!!

I agree with you Roscoe23 - Scotland has come a long way in a relatively short time... They did really well to get so close to qualification in a very tough group...

I was just making the point that a 3rd place finish is regarded as a success in one camp and utter failure in another...

I'm happy with Big Eck in charge and hope he continues to take Scotland forward...

Regarding "best since Jock Stein"  - Walter Smith would come close - whether as manager of club or country....

Doesnt Craig Brown have the best record of any Scotland manager?

Doesnt Craig Brown have the best record of any Scotland manager?

nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_nati...l_team#Managers

Based on managers who managed 10 or more games for the national side ....

Mcleish (10 games) - 70% winning record

McColl (28) - 60.71%

Docherty (12) - 58.33%

"Selection Committee" (254) - 58.27%

Ormond (38) - 47.37%

C. Brown (70) - 45.71%

Smith (16) - 43.75%

Stein (7 + 61) 42.86% + 42.62%

McLeod (17) - 41.18%

Roxburgh (62) - 37.10%

Beattie (11) - 36.36%

B. Brown (28) - 32.14%

Ferguson (10) - 30.00%

Vogts (31) - 23.33%

Look who's last! What a surprise eh!

2nd last surprised me....  :024:

sorry johnboy think i read it wrongly then.mon the scots!!!