Scotty

Was it in ?uros !!!

Nice idea, definite goalscorer, but I agree with DC .... more likely to end up in Glasgow.

Thats what I mean ..... and I will say it again since it appears to be my phrase of the day .... the devil is in the detail ..... does it actually say we have to change seats? Is there a document that defines what is or is not "safe standing"? Does the SPL actually know or - as is usual - will they make it up as they go along? Toronto FC has normal seats, pretty much the same as you see at ICT. The seats fold up, just like ICT, and they are deemed safe enough for standing in front of. The walkway is no wider than ICT, and the stadium is 3 times the size .... Presumably this type of seat passes the FIFA sniff test to allow standing, since MLS is part of CONCACAF, which in turn is part of FIFA ..... The seats in the pic above - are probably from a German stadium? and yes, I believe these were added to some stadiums in Europe to allow for standing in domestic competitions but sitting in European ones .... but are we simply assuming this is what we would have to have or is there actually any documented specs/rules to this effect ?

Think they would still need the 6500 seats .... doubt that criteria changes ... just the idea that you can have safe standing areas in addition to meeting the minimum stadium criteria ... but it will be interesting to see how the discussion at SPL level may develop

Highlights now up on the official site ..... wow, so many chances ... some of which didnt even make it into the highlights, and some definite talking points for penalty claims, offside decisions and ball over the line or not ....... http://ictfc.com/matches/video

There's bound to be costs involved in terms of adapting areas for standing though. And the demand and calls for standing areas is coming from the fans... Therefore those fans should be willing to pay more to cover the costs while providing their respective clubs with much needed revenue. Thats where I say the devil is in the detail ... or lack of it ... in the statement !!! IF the SPL allowed existing seated areas to be designated as Safe Standing, then there is no cost ! that is exactly what happens at Toronto. The whole ground is seated, was built on that basis, and the pricing is reflective of that, but the club have designated the whole of the south end of the stadium as "supporters sections" and the rules for these designated areas allow for flags, banners, drums, and standing ... it even mentions on the tickets and walkways something along the lines of "this is a supporters section ticket, and you may be subjected to flags, banners, standing etc". Non-regulars are basically told that if they cant handle that then they should buy a ticket elsewhere in the ground !!! Applying that to ICT ... perhaps - if the rules allow - the 'singing section' could be designated 'safe standing', and allowed to stand, with other supporters being given the option to relocate if they wish? If however, the SPL insist that it must be new areas, currently unused areas, or existing areas requiring retro-fitted to meet a certain criteria then yes, there will be some cost and I could understand a premium or at least the same price as elsewhere in the ground. The positive thing in all this is that the SPL are now open to the basic concept ........

Would folk be prepared to pay for it though? I'd like to hope that those who wish to stand would be able to contribute to the changes that would be needed. How does it work at TFC for you Scotty? Do you pay more to be in one of the designated areas? Nope. The season tickets for the "supporters sections" are the lowest in the ground, and although it is laid out like a normal all seated stadium and there are seats there for us - if we want - I dont think many of us have spent more than a few minutes sitting in them during a game (or maybe at half-time) over the last 5 seasons. My seats: http://www.seats3d.com/mls/toronto_fc/ (enter 113 as section and 11 as row) Pricing in each section: http://www.goltv.ca/assets/1/AssetManager/2011Pricing%20and%20Seating%20Chart-SINGLEMar8.pdf (couldnt find a link for season ticket cost, but this gives you an idea of single tickets. Seasons range from about $375 in my area to $2000 at the half-way line in main stand). The nice little blue tables on pitchside are about $1000 per game I think (for 4 people) ... but it does come with free drink all through the match ! I hear people saying they would pay more to be in a standing area ... but I would have thought it should be the same or less than seated tickets? What is the rationale for paying more? I guess it will all come down to cost. As with anything there will be some cost, but the devil will be in the detail and the SPL page is severely lacking in that ......

Depends how you gauge it ..... In my mind, ICT should marginally be a bottom 6 team based on the idea that level of support, and its potential for growth dictates the relative size of the club and the money it can offer to players etc. Obviously, Rangers/Celtic are (or should be) somewhat in a league of their own based on the sheer quantities of the support and the monies they have been able to generate in the past, not to mention the huge lions share of SPL monies they continue to demand. The fact that many teams are now competing with them on the park on a weekly basis shows they in particular amongst the SPL are heavily underperforming and part of that in my mind is because of the fact that in world football terms, they have gone from being big name powers to something akin to smaller teams we used to laugh at when we read them in a Euro draw. when players will sign for lower league English teams rather than the likes of the OF then you know Scottish football is at the bottom of the barrel ! The obvious choice for the next 4 in the SPL are Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Hearts and Hibs and I base this on potential alone. Each and every one of them has been or is underperforming and not fulfilling the potential that their level of support has previously allowed. Aberdeen have been garbage for years, Dundee Utd have actually shown a bit of life in the more recent past, and Hibs are also not the team they once were. Hearts - well, who knows what will happen to them in the near future. Of the rest - Motherwell, Killie, St Mirren, Dunfermline, and St Johnstone - we have nothing to fear from any of them, and I would say we have grown - in our short lifespan so far - to be on a par with most of them in terms of potential and size. Any given season, one or more of these could perform well and replace my "other 4" in the top six, and equally, they could perform badly and be rooted to the bottom ! The interesting thing for me is SFL1 .... Look in that league and with the exception of one or two teams, most were in the top league for a while, and most would maybe have a bigger support (or potential for it) than ICT. .... County are doing well but have never been in the top flight. Fair play to them and good luck, but also look at the others .. Falkirk, Dundee, Partick, Livi, Hamilton ... all chasing the leaders and all of them in the top league in recent years ... Morton, Raith, QOS and Ayr are no slouches either. Personally, I think a top 18 league would be quite competitive (OF aside) as there is little to choose from the bottom 10 in the SPL right now and the top 6 in SFL1 !!!!!

I think this is a great idea ..... and not before time. As I have mentioned on here before, I stand at all Toronto FC games and its never been a problem ... Toronto FC is an all seated stadium, that holds about 21,000 and it is usually filled to about 90-100% capacity for MLS games. The designated "supporters sections" are the only areas where standing is permitted and in 5 seasons - 77 league games and about 16 other Canada Cup/Concacaf Champions League games - I have never seen an issue that was related to standing.......... I would think ICT could be prime candidates for a test given the 3 (and a bit) stand layout of the ground. The west stand could easily be used as terracing on a pilot scheme ....

Whole ball doesn't look over the line. How much you paying me ?

what a game !!!! either team could have won it 4 or 5 times already ..... McKay just got another chance but McGregor saved it ... and now Lafferty scores at the other end. bollox

McKay rounds keeper ...... and hits post !!! so close !

wow. twice off the line by ICT ..... skin of the teeth material !

and fair play to Allan Preston - not renowned for his love of ICT - for saying exactly how it is ... Rangers had it, and should have put it out ! Man - Foran just called back for offside :(

Fair comment from commentary team .... "Rangers had the ball and did not kick it out so you cant blame Inverness for playing on"

Andy Shinnie ... ya beauty !!! but oh so controversial with Jelavic down injured !

Bocanegra :(

Rangers seem to have moved up a gear ..... Tokely impressing the commentary team

anyone confirm Gillet booked in first half ??? all the live stats sites (like SKY/ESPN etc) dont mention it, but sure I heard the commentators say it after a tackle in the first half.

Comment from my source at Ibrox ..... "(Andy) Shinnie got subbed after a knock last week and is still carrying a slight niggle, which is why he is on bench."

No coding, just the wrong link. fixed now.

maybe he's carrying a niggling injury ? maybe he's the secret weapon ?

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They got it the day before the December wage was due ...... one of the Hearts supporters I know over here tells me that there were legal ramifications if if went past the date for the next month's wages. Either way, it is my opinion that the owner of the club is not "mad" and retaining what is probably a fairly significant sum in his bank for an extra few weeks probably earned him a decent chunk of interest !

there is now a link to it on the index page of the forum and the front page of the main site