Kirishima

Tartan Army boycott of Scotland game v Brazil at Emirates on Mar 27th? The clubs meet again on Monday. If the chairmen and the SPL continue to ignore and insult the fans, perhaps a boycott of the above game will happen? As said, the SFA are not defenceless in this, they are just as culpable, and have been for many years.

I think that's exactly as it stands now. Maybe things will have to get worse to get better. The fans arent idiots, we know what their agenda is, however our worries are based on the good of the game,i.e. falling attendances, falling co-efficient, too many average foreign players, youth not getting a chance, a malaise and apathy seeping in, top-heavy bureaucracy, and a ticking timebomb of debt. Cut your cloth v buy buy buy.

It's telling that there is confusion about who does what in the scottish game. Three organisations and very little end result. It seems more and more likely that this sorry affair will drag the game further down. Unless we can replace Doncaster and Topping with people of the same calibre as Roxburgh, Craig Brown, David Taylor, etc., there is very little hope. Wrong people, wrong ideas.

The SPL were speaking to the SFL clubs on Thursday at Hampden (17th Feb) about the regional league system. It would appear that the 10-team SPL plan with all the trimmings hasn't changed one bit. Jim Spence even repeated the claim that SPL clubs are in "broad agreement" which is sloppy journalism considering at least a quarter are opposed to it. These ideas are all from Henry McLeish's bestseller (in the SPL, staff-only, bookshop). Am I the only one that finds this refusal to go back to the drawing board wholly disgusting?

My question would be "What have you been up to in the weeks since the furore died down?" If you think that taking your foot off the gas so that the fans will forget, and you can do it more quietly next time, well, then, it would be par for the course on your decision making so far It will be back in a month or so, but you can bet your bottom dollar Doncaster will be scurrying around trying to force through a ten team league. The only thing holding things up are three clubs and the fans outwith the OF. Take that out of the equation and this deal will be done in a flash. Need to get Doncaster and Topping out ASAP

Anyway...very slick campaign this. Not seen anything like it from ICT before - has there been a marketing guru hired or something? Top notch stuff. Hope I win!

Vile excuse for a man. Hoped he'd be transferred out of the UK so i'd no have to see him anymore - just an all round bad person.

I think we're all on the same page. The bottom line is Ki has accused Scottish fans of racism and therefore there should be an investigation. My own feeling, until other evidence is forthcoming, is he has lied to protect embarassment to his own country at the expense of ours. If the alleged abuse was so hurtful and damging to him that he felt he needed to protest it in the Asian Cup semi-final in Qatar against Japan towards some Scottish fans he has made allegations against, surely he would have reported it at the time? Until he can back up his claims, and why it has not been raised as an issue before now, I remain very, very sceptical. I hope thae SFA investigates.

I just wonder why in the semi-final of the Asian Cup after scoring a goal he would celebrate by imitating a monkey? In answer to Scotty's question, it is based I believe on what some link to appearance, and how some Japanese I know see themselves,and will joke about it themselves in a self-deprecating way, and don't take it too seriously. It can be an insult and many Koreans are very anti-Japan. Whether 2 and 2 makes 4 in this case I dunno. I'm not sure why he did it, I find either explanation a bit unpalatable, if he has been subjected to racism here, I would have thought we'd have heard of this, as you said, racism is now very frowned upon and a rarity now, and Neil Lennon is hardly one to hush up incidents, is he? I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there's no evidence I can see that it did either... Hope the SFA can look into this, as my point is, Scotland's reputation is being severely tarnished in Asia by this.

Ki Sung-Yeung caused outrage when he celebrated his goal against Japan by impersonating a monkey - which the Japanese were outraged by as there is a history between Korea and Japan...BBC website But, alas, it was not aimed at Japan, but at the racist treatment he gets in Scotland where people make monkey sounds at him. Funny, i've not heard of this before - I wonder why it wasn't reported? I think we take racism in the game quite seriously as a problem so i'd be keen for the SFA to contact him and ask him where and when this happened. Bit of a Mark Wright?

C'mon ICTFCKev, don't be so mean, let's vomit over any bod that's been on the wee telly box for having anything to do with our little wee bit o'land. Why stop at a season ticket? Let's give them Nessie and and a scone too.

Could you stop making it all up and "present" your evidence so we can then all immediately hang and ruin you when your stupid, self-serving, egotistical, baseless, arrogant, and condescending brainless idea is made apparent to all for being the idiot that you are for trying to look at the scottish game as if it was a f****** hedge fund?

Was very positive about the quality of life. You can genuinely see he has fallen in love with the Highlands and Islands. Who wouldn't? I think it was a hugely important piece for the club and city. Well done TB.

Good semi-finals, could go either way... Australia will need to put more of their chances away, prob be best putting in crosses. Japan really need to defend better, and get rid of their awful 2nd choice golaie, trying to do his job from behind the goalline - never seen that before!! ...South Korea seem to be struggling, good wing play but nothing else, and then Uzbekistan, solid, no frills, good short-passing team. Whoever makes it to the final it will be close, evenly matched teams all 4. Cold, wet, in Qatar, in winter? Move it to winter Sepp, we may have a chance!!

Away and watch Pop Idol USA. Fame, what a venus flytrap it is.

Well, I am, ta. Games on tonight on TV here, should be good, though the refereeing has been nothing short of corrupt. I'd fancy Japan to win this, scoring boots are on, and with Zaccheroni they will be able to get past tougher games against Korea or Iran next and prob meet Australia in the final. Must be perfect weather out there now - good for a World Cup even?

I have watched it on Iplayer when in UK before. Whether it still runs on it I not know. Cracking stuff

Cancel Sky subscription Pressure SPL Sponsor Boycott away grounds (except Motherwell and Killie) Personally, i'm not in a position to do anything here...

Yeah, the only real demand for Scottish football is from the fans in Scotland. TV and going to games. How the SPL thinks they will be able to sell the rights to Sky when all of the customers have said "nah,not paying for this crap" is beyond me. No supporters - no viewers - no money.

The one thing I'd like to see is the evidence. What evidence do they have for any of the stuff they're spouting out. And another SPL spin, saying they had all clubs on board when they clearly only got one to back down - we must be even more of a laughing stock now than ever before. *cringes*

Yes, Ralph, but to his enemies he's Geoff...dunno why I said Geoff?? Anyway, point being, if we were being led down the garden path by Roxburgh, Will, etc. it'd be strange but a little easier. As it is we're being told what's good for us by people who have no background or experience of the Scottish game. An d they're not giving us any proof of what they are making us do. It's into the abyss, yet again. Topping and Doncaster will be long gone by the time it has to be cleaned up, as is always the way. Can the fans force a real grassroots change??

Neil Doncaster is a website guru who did a rank rotten job at Norwich City Geoff Topping is a bookie promoted to the top of William Hill. That's it. The SPL were wholly responsible for losing the Sky Sports TV money in the first place. They have meddled unsuccessfully with the league, from 10, to 12, and now going for 10 again. Under their management, TV money has fallen, attendances have fallen, debt has sky-rocketed, clubs have folded. The co-efficient rankings of the last two seasons are now on par with Poland and Slovakia. The SPL story reads like the lovechild of a mole and a bat.

The only way I could see the fans scaring the powers-that-be would be to boycott Scotland games. Helluva thing to do, but so is ignoring over 80% of fans, reneging on statements, and being led by greedy, money-obsessed corporate suits with no vision in mind but pound signs. We get this from the bankers, why does it have to filter into football too?

It's not been decided, there still has to be a proposal delivered and then voted on, but it would seem from this the 12 have said, "ok, write it up, that's fine" The only thing that would de-rail it would be mass-fan protest and/or boycotts, starting from tomorrow or the weekend. I'd be happy but surprised to see that, it's a fractious group at best SPL fans.

The SPL is the Xtra Factor to the English Premiership's X-Factor. Hello Ljungbergs, hello Beatties. The fans are nothing to the SPL or to the chairmen. God forbid we could change Scottish football by cutting our cloth, and being a serious league like on the continent. Nah, let's just suckle on the English Premiership's has-beens fame and hope the English tune-in. The line will be "Unfortunately, a 16 team was not viable, and as chairmen we have to make decisions based on the best interests for the stability and future of the club." And it's based on complete disdain for the fans.