Renegade

Nah, this was a guy up the back to the left, who berated Esson constantly and ranted and raved about how much he hated him, much to the annoyance of some people around him, particularly me!

I'd like to see him as captain when Foran's out.

I thought we played quite well myself. About ten times better than the Motherwell game and looked more like the team we were when we went on that great run of form.

Did anyone else hear that guy shouting and constantly making stupid remarks about Esson yesterday? I was going to say that he was doing it for ninety minutes but I actually started before the teams had even come out! What an embarrassment.

I didn't know Grant Munro had signed for the Dunfermline youth team!

He's one of the best centre backs we've ever had at ICT. In fact I'd go on to say he's the best since Bobby Mann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21557895 So Dundee sack Barry Smith to replace him with.... John "Bomber" Brown!!

Robert Eagle was pretty rubbish.

I'd agree with that in a sense. After Proctor came back from Dundee United, he had a couple of season where he was a decent player. He was finished though after the season when we won Division One and was pretty rotten towards the end. Lionel on a good day (rare I know!) could be very good. On a bad day though..... Here's a couple more to throw out there - Rory McAllister (can't believe he's not been mentioned already!) - He was rubbish. Garry Wood - Like a bigger McAllister, also rubbish. A poor man's Shane Sutherland. Greg Tansey - Billed before he signed a great ball player, who'd turned down Liverpool to get more game time and was seen by some to be a true replacement for Ian Black. Ran around like a headless chicken, did basically nothing for a season and then disappeared at the first chance he got!

I wouldn't have said Blackman was one of the worst. From what I saw of him, he was a decent player, but obviously was a bit of a nugget off the park. Aldred was maybe in the same boat - decent player, just had no interest in being here. Richie Byrne surely would have to be in there, perhaps he's ruled out there as having never played (probably because he was so rubbish!). Bulvitus was pretty rotten a lot of the time too. Can't disagree much with the rest though.

IMO the only league games that police would be needed at the TCS would be Celtic and Ross County, and possibly Aberdeen. Is there really going to be any trouble in games against the likes of St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Dundee etc? Seems like a waste of time and money for the police to be there, to be honest.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned already, but there didn't seem to be any police at the game on Saturday and there was no segregation apart from the seating (so much so that upon arrival, I accidentally wandered into the home end!), with both sets of fans using the same pie stalls and toilets etc. Supposedly this is quite common at Fir Park, unless it's a big game. I would have thought as well that this'll save Motherwell police costs in the process. Surely this is something ICT should look into in the future?

Something I've noticed is that McKay lost his place earlier in the season and had to fight to get it back. When he eventually did win it back, he started a bit rusty and then came good, scoring a bucketload. He seems to have lost the scoring touch he had earlier in the season. Perhaps having to fight for his place again, would do him the world of good.

How did Charlie Taylor get on? I thought he looked quite good when he came on at Kilmarnock.

Not done one of these in a while! A change in the set up is needed I think. We've become too predictable and out of ideas. An attacking 4-3-3 for me - Reguero Raven Warren Meekings G.Shinnie Draper Jones A.Shinnie Doran Foran McKay Subs - Esson, Pepper, Ross, Sutherland, Devine, Taylor, Roberts If Foran's still out, then have Sutherland in his place, with Polworth coming onto the bench.

No excuses, that was a load of rubbish. Half of them seem to have lost the ability to pass the ball and look perplexed as to how to get it back. In saying, ICT started fairly well and had some good chances. The system and set-up that ICT had was working alright, we just hadn't had the luck up till that point. Then Butcher's decides to change things and that was the biggest downfall of all. Up until half time, Doran and Ross had been playing quite well on the their respective wings, with Jones and Draper marshalling the middle. This all becomes undone for the second half when Ross is moved from wide left into next to Jones, with Doran moved to the left wing and Draper moving onto the right. Really, I mean really?! ( - my exact face!) The substitutions were a funny animal as well. When I saw Sutherland coming on in the place of McKay (a player who hadn't been in the game much at all), I thought that maybe Butcher had seen sense and we'd finally see Sutherland playing his true position, as an out and out striker. These hopes were quickly dashed when Philip Roberts started walking on behind him! (Roberts did nothing by the way, and seems to have started a new tactic of falling over when the ball has moved just out of reach!). The only sub I would have wanted to see was Andrew Shinnie being hooked for Pepper (who seems to have disappeared for some reason). People can point to the fact that Andrew Shinnie had a goal disallowed and that there may have a handball in the lead up to Motherwell's second goal, as well as our penalty claim shortly after, but theses are no excuses. We were rubbish and it could have been more. All in all, a disappointing afternoon.

George Brislen-Hall

I think some people are sick with seeing the same team's over and over again. For example, I've seen Kilmarnock play more times than I can think of. There needs to be more teams in the league.

Usually when someone starts a new topic, it's to highlight a point or discuss something they're in favour of. I think I'll start a topic later on whether or not ICT should change the shirt design to green and yellow polka dots with orange and pink tie-die shorts and socks with flowers on. I'm personally against it, but you know what some people are like!

While I'm sure it's frustrating for Terry Butcher, having shouting matches with fans who have good enough to pay to go to the game does not reflect well on him. Whether he's in the right or not, it's unprofessional IMO.

True but in the heat of the moment and when you are disappointed, easier said that done when some idiot shouts abuse at you. There were a few comments from fans at the end of the game directed at Butcher from the main stand that were just ridiculous. Some fans really do need to get a grip and take a long hard look at themselves. I wonder why some of them even come to see us as some of these fans I have yet to hear shout anything positive or encouraging towards the team at all. I appreciate that but like I said it is not the first time, idiots or not they are paying customers and if Butcher thinks the stands can be filled with people shouting what a wonderful man he is then he is in the wrong job. I don't get why people shout abuse at him but it happens at every ground in the country and I feel he should deal with it better You don't have to be shouting anything at him to set him off. I once witnessed him screaming at a fan sat in front of him at an U20 match after said fan had made a comment to me about how the momentum of the game had changed in the opposition's favour! It was a horrible moment and I will not forget it.

It would be interesting to know how much time Sutherland was racked up coming on as a sub. It's probably not much more than an hour!

We're dominating the game, keeping the ball and creating loads of chances before making a bizarre substitution and going defensive against a team that haven't threatened us all game. This finally allows them to come at us and run down the pitch and score, before almost scoring a winner. Is that just coincidence? No, it's poor tactics. Also, there's rumours going round that Butcher had an altercation with a fan at full time and according to some reports punched him. I never saw anything, but can anyone shed some light on that?

Two points dropped lost and two daft late substitutions again. ICT played well, had chance after chance, and had a stonewall penalty not given, but that's no excuse. As soon as we saw Devine coming on, everyone round me was saying they were sensing the worst. That was the type of game where you go out to win and keep going. Hanging on for a win like that, was a far more dangerous tactic than going for a second goal and it well and truly backfired, before it was nearly made even worse when Killie almost won it at the end. Butcher made the wrong choice. Also McKay as MOTM! Really?!